How many reps for heavy lifting?

I've been doing bicep curls with 20lbs at 2-3 sets of 12. Should I increase my weight and decrease my reps? Not seeing much definition. My biceps are definitely exhausted when I'm done the 2nd set.

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  • stephaniecaine82
    stephaniecaine82 Posts: 117 Member
    This is how my trainer described it to me this week. If you want to be stronger, use heavier weights. If you want to maintain your current muscle, do more reps and keep the same weight.
  • jimmie65
    jimmie65 Posts: 655 Member
    What's your goal? Your current rep scheme is good for hypertrophy (bulking up).
    For gaining strength, you want to use a weight that brings you to failure on the last set between 3 to 5 reps.
  • Flixie00
    Flixie00 Posts: 1,195 Member
    PT tells me 3 sets of 8-12 reps. If I can rattle out 3 x 12, then up my weight.
  • sleepytexan
    sleepytexan Posts: 3,138 Member
    If you can lift it more than 5 x 5, it's not heavy enough.

    Curls are really not that useful of an exercise. Get into the big full-body compound lifts: squats and deadlifts (with Olympic bar). Pendlay rows, OHP, and BP also very useful for strength.

    Check out stronglifts.com 5x5 program (5 sets x 5 reps), or starting strength.

    BTW, pushups are equivalent to 1/2 bodyweight benchpress. Work up to decline pushups with your toes on a ball. Pull ups and chin ups are fantastic too. Nerdfitness.com has great ideas for working up to pull-ups (using your table!).
  • Lisa1971
    Lisa1971 Posts: 3,069 Member
    Thanks everyone! I guess it's time to increase my weights.
  • wellbert
    wellbert Posts: 3,924 Member
    Bicep curls are an accessory exercise, I wouldn't sweat it that much. I usually do them in sets of 2 for higher reps. Usually whatever weight feels hard at about 10 reps. I increase the weight when I can hit 12 reps.

    Now your compound moves - like overhead press, squat, bench, and deadlift. That's where it's a bit more critical.
  • SteveJWatson
    SteveJWatson Posts: 1,225 Member
    If you can lift it more than 5 x 5, it's not heavy enough.

    Curls are really not that useful of an exercise. Get into the big full-body compound lifts: squats and deadlifts (with Olympic bar). Pendlay rows, OHP, and BP also very useful for strength.

    Check out stronglifts.com 5x5 program (5 sets x 5 reps), or starting strength.

    BTW, pushups are equivalent to 1/2 bodyweight benchpress. Work up to decline pushups with your toes on a ball. Pull ups and chin ups are fantastic too. Nerdfitness.com has great ideas for working up to pull-ups (using your table!).

    Isn't it weird - I can rattle off 20 pushups a set no bother, but I struggle to do 10 bench presses at half bodyweight...
  • Nataliaho
    Nataliaho Posts: 878 Member
    Bicep curls are an accessory exercise, I wouldn't sweat it that much. I usually do them in sets of 2 for higher reps. Usually whatever weight feels hard at about 10 reps. I increase the weight when I can hit 12 reps.

    Now your compound moves - like overhead press, squat, bench, and deadlift. That's where it's a bit more critical.

    QFT - higher reps for accessory lifts, max 5 reps for compound lifts.
  • darrensurrey
    darrensurrey Posts: 3,942 Member
    Protein and calorie intake might also be an issue if you're not seeing much growth. Over 2012 my strength went up but my muscles saw no increase in size (and certain areas shrunk a little) because I was eating at a deficit and didn't always get enough protein in (I guestimate an average of 60g protein a day).
  • wellbert
    wellbert Posts: 3,924 Member
    ps - definition comes from fat loss around the muscle. Some of the strongest people in the world don't have a lot of 'definition.'
  • taso42
    taso42 Posts: 8,980 Member
    Don't overthink curls.
    When we talk heavy lifting, we usually mean squats, bench press, deadlift, and overhead press.
  • MercenaryNoetic26
    MercenaryNoetic26 Posts: 2,747 Member
    Hmmm. Lotsa different answers to consider.

    To build strength I do low reps/ heavy weights. My numbers change. I might do 4 (reps) of a really heavy weight and then go down in weight so I can do 4-6 reps... but generally staying in that window.

    I'm always changing up my workouts. I like doing 10-12reps for 3-4 sets of a moderately heavy weight.

    When (not currently- least haven't tried in a while) I can bench my own weight for 4-6 reps for 3-4 sets, I feel on top of the world. That's when I like to try and maintain because at that point, I'm looking mighty good if I do say so meself.
  • amann1976
    amann1976 Posts: 742 Member
    it all begins and ends with what you put into your mouth... no matter if you want to get bigger stronger smaller leaner or whatever. if your diet ain't proper your results wont be where you want them. anybody else telling you anything different is wishful thinking
  • Capt_Apollo
    Capt_Apollo Posts: 9,026 Member
    Don't overthink curls.
    When we talk heavy lifting, we usually mean squats, bench press, deadlift, and overhead press.

    these lifts are what you should build the core of your work out around. the rest are all accesory lifts to build smaller muscles.
  • MercenaryNoetic26
    MercenaryNoetic26 Posts: 2,747 Member
    Don't overthink curls.
    When we talk heavy lifting, we usually mean squats, bench press, deadlift, and overhead press.

    these lifts are what you should build the core of your work out around. the rest are all accesory lifts to build smaller muscles.

    Yep. & Yep. I totally blew off the bicep thing. If you do curls after doing legs, chest and back, chances are those 20lbs will be feeling heavier...
  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member
    I just wish I knew what an accessory lift was. Never heard the term till I got on mfp. Is it like a purse and belt for lifting? Whatever it is! I'm fairly sure I've never done one in my lifting life
  • STurbs33
    STurbs33 Posts: 134 Member

    BTW, pushups are equivalent to 1/2 bodyweight benchpress. Work up to decline pushups with your toes on a ball. Pull ups and chin ups are fantastic too. Nerdfitness.com has great ideas for working up to pull-ups (using your table!).

    Isn't it weird - I can rattle off 20 pushups a set no bother, but I struggle to do 10 bench presses at half bodyweight...

    I was just thinking that too... That can't be right.
  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member

    BTW, pushups are equivalent to 1/2 bodyweight benchpress. Work up to decline pushups with your toes on a ball. Pull ups and chin ups are fantastic too. Nerdfitness.com has great ideas for working up to pull-ups (using your table!).

    Isn't it weird - I can rattle off 20 pushups a set no bother, but I struggle to do 10 bench presses at half bodyweight...

    I was just thinking that too... That can't be right.

    It's right. While they work similar muscle groups, benches and pushups are different exercises. Being proficient at one doesn't translate to being good at the other. When I can bench the world, I'm surprisingly weak at pushups if I haven't been doing them. And when I can do 100 pushups in less than 3 minutes, my bench doesn't improve at all.

    To be excel at a particular thing you have to practice that particular thing
  • Bakkasan
    Bakkasan Posts: 1,027 Member
    Now your compound moves - like overhead press, squat, bench, and deadlift. That's where it's a bit more critical.

    Gospel.
  • sleepytexan
    sleepytexan Posts: 3,138 Member

    BTW, pushups are equivalent to 1/2 bodyweight benchpress. Work up to decline pushups with your toes on a ball. Pull ups and chin ups are fantastic too. Nerdfitness.com has great ideas for working up to pull-ups (using your table!).

    Isn't it weird - I can rattle off 20 pushups a set no bother, but I struggle to do 10 bench presses at half bodyweight...



    I was just thinking that too... That can't be right.

    check your form on push ups. I often see people lowering their belly to the ground and calling it a push up. Plank; flat back, nose to ground. Where are your elbows? Can you really do 20, and not bench 1/2 bodyweight?

    METHOD

    Studies have been conducted in which push-ups were performed on force plates. They indicated the following:

    1. Women performing traditional push-ups lift the equivalent of 71% of their body weight. For example, a 120 pound woman lifts about 85 pounds.
    2. Men performing traditional push-ups lift the equivalent of 77% of their body weight. Thus, a 150 pound man lifts about 115 pounds.
    3. Modified push-ups, performed with the knees on the ground rather than the feet, reduce the amount of weight lifted. Women lift the equivalent of 55% of their body weight, while men left about 56%. So a 120 pound woman lifts about 66 pounds and a 150 pound man lifts about 84 pounds.

    WHY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SEXES?

    These percentages are only averages, but there is a reason for the difference between males and females. Men usually lift more of their total body weight during push-ups than women because they tend to have more bulk in their chest and shoulders. As a result, more of their weight lies directly over the arms when performing pushups.

    In contrast, women tend to have a lower center of gravity, with their weight centered around the hips and thighs. Since this weight is located below the position of the arms, less force is required to lift from a pushup position.

    However, this varies widely, depending upon the individual. Large-chested women will lift percentages of body weight similar to that of men. And men whose body weight is centered in their hips and stomach will lift percentages of body weight similar to that lifted by women.

    HOW TO TEST YOURSELF - A MATH EXERCISE

    You can use a bathroom scale and some math calculations to determine the percentage of body weight each student actually does lift when performing pushups. It's a great way to combine your physical education and math curricula.

    With the scale resting on a hard surface, have your students assume a pushup position with their hands resting on the scale. Record that weight; then their weight from a modified pushup a position; and finally, their full weight as measured from a standing position.

    Then have them calculate the percentage of their body weight they'll lift when performing push-ups. They do this by dividing the weight recorded while in the push-up position by their full body weight.

    For example 150 pound student whose push-up weight was 110 pounds will be lifting 73% of their body weight when performing push-ups. (110/150 = .73)

    Read more: http://www.articlesnatch.com/Article/Push-ups--How-Much-Weight-Are-You-Lifting-/486282#ixzz2LlgVG1zA
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  • SteveJWatson
    SteveJWatson Posts: 1,225 Member

    BTW, pushups are equivalent to 1/2 bodyweight benchpress. Work up to decline pushups with your toes on a ball. Pull ups and chin ups are fantastic too. Nerdfitness.com has great ideas for working up to pull-ups (using your table!).

    Isn't it weird - I can rattle off 20 pushups a set no bother, but I struggle to do 10 bench presses at half bodyweight...



    I was just thinking that too... That can't be right.

    check your form on push ups. I often see people lowering their belly to the ground and calling it a push up. Plank; flat back, nose to ground. Where are your elbows? Can you really do 20, and not bench 1/2 bodyweight?


    Yes, proper push ups, back straight, nose to the floor - at home I use grips so I can get lower. I can also do sets of 10 'triangle' pushups (where you make a little triangle with your hands, thumbs almost touching). Doesn't improve my bench though, which is improving, bit I dont think the two are correlated.