just heard "Diary as part of a diet is no good"

I was sitting here wondering how tracking food could be bad for a diet. Then I realized that you meant "dairy" not diary, lol. Anyway, I don't believe in cutting anything unless it has an adverse effect on your body. If you get along with dairy, don't worry about your friend.

wheat, dairy, and legumes are the only form of food based disease...(or something like that).

Ask your friend if he thinks there is a such thing as "good fats" and see what he says?

The answer will probably clear it up.

not gonna give up my greek yogurt....
not gonna happen.

The paleovore "What Would Caveman Ogg Eat" argument against dairy is that as mammals, our digestive systems and bodies are designed to process milk . . . ummmm, specifically HUMAN milk. . . up until about the age of weaning, which, depending on diet of the mother and cultural practices could be anywhere from about 2 - 6 years. Beyond that, we're really not supposed to be consuming the heavy amounts of fat and lactic acid from the mammalian glands of other species such as cows and sheep, and so we should avoid dairy on the grounds that "it just ain't right" for our systems.

The counterargument is that humans are also opportunistic omnivores, and that we've managed to survive for thousands of years on stuff that would be completely foreign to Ogg--including processed grains, fermented beverages, and the whole crazy concept of COOKING meats and vegetables before consuming them.

So, as a proud omnivore, I include SOME dairy in my diet because I like it, but I try not to go overboard because of the fat and calories,

Lots of people have lots of diffferent ideas about diets which is why there are so many different types. At the end of the day we need variety so good old fashioned calorie counting and variety is the way to go. If you cut something out you only wind up craving it because you deprive your body of something that it needs. Unless there is a health risk, eat dairy, calcium is needed

I was sitting here wondering how tracking food could be bad for a diet. Then I realized that you meant "dairy" not diary, lol. Anyway, I don't believe in cutting anything unless it has an adverse effect on your body. If you get along with dairy, don't worry about your friend.

This. If dairy doesn't bother you - physically or morally (vegans) - why cut it out when you can enjoy it and be healthy? I see a lot of cut guys and girls on these forums who intake dairy products. I know active 80 year olds who eat cheese and yogurts for the calcium. In the end, it's about healthy balance.

Maybe it also depends on what makes you proud. If someone feels they can't brag on themselves without being able to say they successfully sacrifice certain food groups (look at what I give up Dude, but I'm so ripped it's worth it)...more power to them. Myself, well....a life without some cheese isn't much of a life

Unless you're allergic to a given food, cutting out whole food groups doesn't do anything beneficial. If you lose weight doing it, it's probably because it's an indirect way of cutting calories (broccoli + cheese = more calories than broccoli - cheese, right?). I used to be godawful allergic to oranges but I'm not going around telling people to give up eating citrus.

I remain dedicated to dairy (grains, legumes, etc.) myself.

I'd go crazy if I couldn't eat dairy. Actually I'd go crazy if I told myself I couldn't eat ANYTHING. Moderation.

Um seriously?

How would I drink my daily latte without dairy... :laugh:

If you read all the current buzz about calories in/calories out, new health models, and new food assumptions, there is plenty fo "food for thought", so to say ( ) about the how, when, and why to track calories. There is a lot of the science that is old and is being researched and updated to reflect current thoughts that it is more important about the quality of calories vs. the quanitty.

That said, I think tracking calories is STILL the best visual representation of how your diet is effecting your weight and health. Fact is, NO ONE is in great shape and helath from over eating.

As for those folks who suggest milk and nuts should be cut, or that bananas are bad, or that ___________ is the worst thing for helathy eating....bah humbug. I eat what my body likes and wants.

Cheers all.

Agree.....and I like the bah humbug!!

I know someone who says that "milk is for baby cows". In spite of the fact that as long as there have been cows and people coexisting, people have drunk cows milk :huh: . I happen to enjoy my dairy products and am in better health now than I have been in AGES. Unless you are lactose intolerant or allergic to dairy I believe it's a valuable part of a persons diet.

Got to have cheese with my wine!

THIS EXACTLY! :drinker: