Running too slow?
rayvynn5374
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Training for a half marathon on May 4. Today went for a 6 mile run (long run of the week). Around mile 2 I was hurting! Calves were crampy and achey. I stretched prior to the run. Going out i was trying to keep heart rate below 90%. After turning around I gave up on that and just ran and legs felt better. Heart rate was up to 97%. Is it really possible to run too slow and hurt yourself?
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Is it possible that you could have a virus?0
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I find that if I run with a friend who is considerably slower then I am then my legs hurt. I've had runner friends say the same. I don't run based on my heart rate though so not sure about that.0
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wrong shoes? tight muscles or thigh Achilles can pull like that too.0
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I've heard this before. Maybe your natural cadence is higher than what you were trying for.
But I am also worried about what you said re: your heart rate being at 90%. Is it usually that high when you run? Were you doing more than you are used to, or using different shoes or running on a new kind of surface?0 -
Just ran my first half today. Have had days in training where it felt like running in treacle, others where it was great. Are you on a sensible training programme, building up distance and total distance per week at an appropriately graded rate? Are you getting enough water every day (not just when you run)? Are you possibly collecting niggles from upping mileage? Have you tried getting a decent sports tissue massage (pref with myofascial release)? Are you using a foam roller after you run? Have you tried using a foam roller before you run too? All of these things and more reflect stuff I've had to try to figure out / look at ... and I still have sore shins and calves for about the first 3-5 miles before they ease up a bit, but then around mile 7-8 get sore knees!0
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Training for a half marathon, you should be training at a speed that has your heart rate in an aerobic zone. For most that's about 75% of max. When you're running at 97% that's about your 5k race pace or your MHR calculation is off.
When you run slower you're teaching your body to handle the pounding that the longer distance runs are going to give it. Now I don't know if 6 miles is your long run just yet, but if it is, it should be slower than every other training run each week.
But yes, things "hurt" differently when you run slowly. Your stride will be shorter and so your strike different, your muscles will be impacted differently, but truly it shouldn't hurt.
I think your HR calculation is probably off. It's unlikely you can run at 97% for an hour... I think 88-92% is where you'd want to be for a 10k race.
My calculated HR Max is roughly 183 based on age/gender... but my highest observed HR at the end of a 10k race is 193... so the calculations can be way off.0 -
Just ran my first half today. Have had days in training where it felt like running in treacle, others where it was great. Are you on a sensible training programme, building up distance and total distance per week at an appropriately graded rate? Are you getting enough water every day (not just when you run)? Are you possibly collecting niggles from upping mileage? Have you tried getting a decent sports tissue massage (pref with myofascial release)? Are you using a foam roller after you run? Have you tried using a foam roller before you run too? All of these things and more reflect stuff I've had to try to figure out / look at ... and I still have sore shins and calves for about the first 3-5 miles before they ease up a bit, but then around mile 7-8 get sore knees!
Interesting read for a new runner like me. Makes me feel not so worried about the little aches I have had. thanks zen0 -
Just ran my first half today. Have had days in training where it felt like running in treacle, others where it was great. Are you on a sensible training programme, building up distance and total distance per week at an appropriately graded rate? Are you getting enough water every day (not just when you run)? Are you possibly collecting niggles from upping mileage? Have you tried getting a decent sports tissue massage (pref with myofascial release)? Are you using a foam roller after you run? Have you tried using a foam roller before you run too? All of these things and more reflect stuff I've had to try to figure out / look at ... and I still have sore shins and calves for about the first 3-5 miles before they ease up a bit, but then around mile 7-8 get sore knees!
Yes, I'll second that! Myofascial release with a foam roller is awesome. I highly recommend it.
Also, if you are struggling with lower leg pain of any kind, work on your technique (after you've checked your shoe fit). I noticed a lot of improvement after I started working on my stride rate. It can help with your heart rate worry, too, because it is more energy efficient.
http://www.runnersworld.com/running-tips/increase-your-stride-rate0 -
Training for a half marathon on May 4. Today went for a 6 mile run (long run of the week). Around mile 2 I was hurting! Calves were crampy and achey. I stretched prior to the run. Going out i was trying to keep heart rate below 90%. After turning around I gave up on that and just ran and legs felt better. Heart rate was up to 97%. Is it really possible to run too slow and hurt yourself?
Maybe your gait is forced or awkward at the slower pace?0 -
try warming up with better dynamic stretching. jhumping jacks, body weight squats, lunges, etc0
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Also make sure you are maintaining your form in the later miles--check that you are not hunched over or you're tightening your shoulders. I make up little candence verses to remind myself to relax my shoulders, breath from the diaphram etc. It sounds stupid but I find it helps in the dim-witted last miles of a run when things tend to fall apart.0
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When your stride is too long (like at the transition from walking fast to running), or you advance your speed or distance too fast or you add hills without additional training, you can get pain in your knees, IT band, and/or shins very quickly. Your front foot should land on the ground directly below your hip and you should touch with the ball of your foot first. Make sure you have properly fitting running shoes too. If you are overweight, the cushion in the shoe wears out faster than what manufacturers quote, often resulting in too much motion in the foot when it lands, so a new pair of good fitting shoes can fix this problem. If you are still having pain, you might look into investing in some compression pants, which will keep your muscles warm and can help keep your knees in alignment (like the CW-X ones). Also, KT tape for the knees, shins, and IT band does wonders. I have had personal experience with all of these issues and was able to correct my run, successfully completing a half marathon last month with no pain at all. (BTW: Jeff Galloway has a wonderful half marathon training plan)0
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If I stretch before running then I can't run as far. <-- Truth!
Try not stretching before, and run. See if it makes a difference. Definitely stretch afterwards.
Also, make sure you eat well.0 -
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Ok let's see if I can reply to all in one...Thanks all for the replies. Keep them coming. I worry how I am supposed to do 7 next week. Oh and my husband thinks my problem is the cold and me being cold hearted. 32 with steady wind this mornings run.
Sqeeky..no not feeling ill at all.
Stmcfred..I was running with husband and dog who were outpacing me. I typically don't run according to HRM but was trying to listen to all the times i am told I'm running too fast, lower my heart rate.
Discover..Not the shoes. New shoes bought in January and they analyzed my running form.
Bumble..My HR sitting around doing nothing is 48%. By the time i walk to the end of the block I am usually at 71% Running jumps it to about 84 anywhere to 104. Nope same shoes since January and same path we take most nights. I am reading the link you sent in a post further down.
Zen..I have been running for over a year, started slow C25k. Sidelined by odd knee pain and an illness for a few months. Started back running as a newby around July. I drink about a gallon of water every day but don't carry any while running. I am not familiar with the term "niggles" so I can't say yay or nay to that. I currently do not have a foam roller so that answers that huh?
MrsbigMack..my husband agrees that maybe my HRM is wrong. We have tried messing with it and always the same outcome. 6 miles is my long run this week and it was indeed slower than my 3 mile pace. by like a minute slower at the end but around mile 2 I was off by over a minute.
Captain..I will try the squats and lunges and etc. prior to my next run (short 3 miles)
Marny..I know my posture is off by how my neck feels during a run so I am constantly correcting it.
Cora..I tried that and let me say things did not work out to well for me on all 4 of those runs.0 -
Here's an awesome tool to play with...
http://www.mcmillanrunning.com/0 -
lol Husband I were playing with that last night.
I also forgot to state i have ran 2 5ks. Finished first one in 29:21 and the second 28:33. After both I was able to walk and not puke.0 -
Maybe it was just a bad day.That happens.0
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Discover..Not the shoes. New shoes bought in January and they analyzed my running form.
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Zen..I have been running for over a year, started slow C25k. Sidelined by odd knee pain and an illness for a few months. Started back running as a newby around July. I drink about a gallon of water every day but don't carry any while running. I am not familiar with the term "niggles" so I can't say yay or nay to that. I currently do not have a foam roller so that answers that huh?
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My experience of shops (with running gait analysis etc) has still been variable. Some places are better than others and I still find buying shoes a real stress! Sometimes they will "diagnose" pronation when you *may* have another issue. I am waiting to see a podiatrist because 2 physios - 1 is a friend, I don't have pots of cash! - have told me it isn't my "pronation" from funny arches, it's to do with the stability of my ridiculously hypermobile ankles (who knew!) and hips. I got a lecture from one physio about how shoe sellers want to sell shoes etc etc and that often they don't focus on your form above the ankles/knees, depending how they film you. As far as I can tell the jury is out with a lot of the "shoe debates" too. If yours really are totally right for you my advice would be buy as many pairs as you can before the b*@#~s "update" the model and change something slightly which throws them off for you!
Re "niggles"... um... if something niggles at you it bothers you, but I guess in running niggle is the British term for "not exactly an injury but feels annoying and like it could possibly turn into or affect one". So my shin issues are a niggle because I don't always get them, but when I have done loads of running and been lazy about the foam roller or not drunk enough water (my major issue is I forget ALL the time and appear to have a rubbish thirst sensor!), or if I have been ill or more stressed - they tend to come back and I can feel the little gross gristly feeling lumpy bits along the muscle/bone interface (where the mysofascial release is good!). I've had some really good sports massages after which it has truly felt like I was given new legs, so I try to foam roller more to lengthen time needed between the massages. My foam roller was £15 and so worth the relatively small outlay!0 -
What was your HR at the end of your 5K? Or your max HR during the 5K. You should consider that your Max HR - take your resting HR (before you get out of bed in the morning), and then calculate your zones from there. (Lots of calculators on the web)0
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I don't know if this will help you or not but I'll tell you my experience. I can run for over an hour, my pulse stays around 160 (way high for my max, which is actually in the 150's), I feel fine and feel like I could go on forever. I'm not out of breath and I completely enjoy it. However, as soon as I slow down for my cool down, I have almost instant cramps in my calves. It is horribly painful so now I slow my jog down as slow as possible, then walk fast for 5 minutes, then walk slower for 5 more and so on, until my pulse is down to the 120's. I don't get why it hurts so bad when I slow down. It doesn't even make sense. The only thing that gets rid of it completely is to do the above and to make sure I stretch really well afterwards. I always warm up for 10 minutes by walking at about 3.5mph. Stretching BEFORE I run only makes it worse. I can't explain that either.0
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If I stretch before running then I can't run as far. <-- Truth!
Try not stretching before, and run. See if it makes a difference. Definitely stretch afterwards.
Also, make sure you eat well.0 -
If I stretch before running then I can't run as far. <-- Truth!
Try not stretching before, and run. See if it makes a difference. Definitely stretch afterwards.
Also, make sure you eat well.
I agree. I cannot stretch beforehand or my legs tire quickly. I have to stretch after. Also, look at what you ate the night before. I find what I've eaten affects my ability to run. Junk food - not so good for energy.0 -
You don't stretch before you run. You stretch after. You can do a few warmups like these http://www.livestrong.com/article/103342-warm-up-exercises-running/ Or walk for 5-10 mins at a good, brisk pace. You can also check this out. http://www.livestrong.com/article/112030-exercises-improve-running/0
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On stretching: there is a lot of mixed advice out there, but my understanding of the exercise science research is that stretching doesn't do much for you, especially when done before exertion. Afterwards, go ahead and do it if it feels good. I do it for that reason.
I just remembered reading about a study that found a correlation between calf circumference and lower leg injuries. The upshot was that the stronger your calf muscles, the better. So consider adding some strengthening exercises to your routine--I do standing one-legged calf raises (stand on one foot, get up on your toes, then lower, then repeat). It's good for balance as well as strengthening the calf and various stabilizing muscles in your lower legs.
Shoes: they sometimes do not work out even if they are new. I have a pair right now that some people praise to the skies, but they gave me shin splints. If you are serious about running, you should consider picking up another pair--you'll need a new pair about every six months anyway (give or take, depending on how much you run).0 -
Training for a half marathon on May 4. Today went for a 6 mile run (long run of the week). Around mile 2 I was hurting! Calves were crampy and achey. I stretched prior to the run. Going out i was trying to keep heart rate below 90%. After turning around I gave up on that and just ran and legs felt better. Heart rate was up to 97%. Is it really possible to run too slow and hurt yourself?
Maybe your gait is forced or awkward at the slower pace?
This one would be my guess. I know as I go faster I tend to put more focus on my stride but at slower speeds, I get sloppy and end up taken too long of strides which causes shin pain.0 -
Well I have to report that today's 7 miles was a breeze! Only differences were I didn't look at HRM and the weather was about 50! I could've done more!0
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Well I have to report that today's 7 miles was a breeze! Only differences were I didn't look at HRM and the weather was about 50! I could've done more!
FWIW, I often find the first couple of miles are sort of a drag, then I hit my stride and feel like I can run and run. It really has to do with warming up. There is a reason front runners are jogging around before races start. LOL
I also find it bothers me to stretch before a run. I stretch after a run and I'm a big fan of foam rollers and the like.
Happy running!0
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