lifting, eating 1500 cals can i look "toned" ?

I'm eating 1500 - 1700 calls. I work out 6 days/week for an hour. I lift heavy for me, ( bad neck) 15lb dumbbells for bicep curls, kickbacks, overhead press, use 25lb dumbbells for bent over rows, deadlifts. Squats. In between sets & on alternate days I jump on my mini tramp & dance ( hi knees,punches,etc) I need to lose 30 lbs. Will I melt fat leaving me looking a little more toned up ? I want to add muscle but need to get weight off ( Dr said it would help my neck) he says to use light weights,as in Barbie weights. I'm seeing no results with a tape or scales. Any thoughts ? I'm concerned about, you can't build muscle while eating at a deficit ....please help. How long does it take ? Did 3 solid weeks then 2 wks off for sprained ankle, back now to lifting , dancing & sweating for last 2 wks.
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  • BarackMeLikeAHurricane
    BarackMeLikeAHurricane Posts: 3,400 Member
    Put away the pink dumbbells. Lift heavy and take advantage of the newbie gains. Losing weight will make your muscles look more defined and give you that "cut" look (please never use the word "toned" ever again, it's like nails on a chalkboard).
  • RepsnSets
    RepsnSets Posts: 805 Member
    The first time around that I lost alot of weight while lifting was good I could eat anything and everything. Then I was injured.

    This time around Im eating more food but not anything and everything lol Still high in calorie intake especially on lifting days as I tend to eat more.

    BTW if you want to use the word "toned" You flaunt it girlfriend hehe!!
  • Debbiedebbiey
    Debbiedebbiey Posts: 824 Member
    Toned=unjiggley: idk WHY no one approves of that word, "ripped" is not a word in this body's dictionary. Lol. But cardio is going to take the fat off, leaving whatever muscle has been " created" underneath ? Bc I keep hearing " don't do so much cardio " from fellow fitness pals on here. So will lifting the weights (10,15,20,25) I'm using melt fat? Thanks for the help.
  • BarackMeLikeAHurricane
    BarackMeLikeAHurricane Posts: 3,400 Member
    Toned=unjiggley:laugh: idk WHY no one approves of that word, "ripped" is not a word in this body's dictionary. Lol.
    "Toned" is usually used in the context of "I don't want to get bulky, I just want to tone up." as if "toning up" is a thing. Muscle can be lost, maintained, or gained, not "toned". That's why everyone here hates that word.
  • Cp731
    Cp731 Posts: 3,195 Member
    @Justsomerand Your brilliant
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    Put away the pink dumbbells. Lift heavy and take advantage of the newbie gains. Losing weight will make your muscles look more defined and give you that "cut" look (please never use the word "toned" ever again, it's like nails on a chalkboard).
    TONED
    Some people use the word. Get over it. What does it matter. Just be helpful.

    OP: give yourself more time. 3 weeks isn't much. Especially with lighter weights.
  • BarackMeLikeAHurricane
    BarackMeLikeAHurricane Posts: 3,400 Member
    @Justsomerand Your brilliant
    :flowerforyou: Thank you
  • lovinlandl
    lovinlandl Posts: 99 Member
    I'm interested in the answer to this too......regardless of what it is called :)
  • RepsnSets
    RepsnSets Posts: 805 Member
    Toned=unjiggley: idk WHY no one approves of that word, "ripped" is not a word in this body's dictionary. Lol. But cardio is going to take the fat off, leaving whatever muscle has been " created" underneath ? Bc I keep hearing " don't do so much cardio " from fellow fitness pals on here. So will lifting the weights (10,15,20,25) I'm using melt fat? Thanks for the help.

    Im lifting three days a week doing 3x5 and cardio twice a week sometimes the same day as lifting. Im dropping inches and starting to see definition. Its all trial and error. Everyone is different. Maybe lift three times a week and do only 30 minutes of cardio the other three
  • erin4455
    erin4455 Posts: 135
    I don't hate the word "toned". Describe your goals however you want and good luck in the process!
  • Liftnlove
    Liftnlove Posts: 235
    No, you can't build muscle on a deficit. Yes, you can look more muscular and get stronger. Lift as heavy as you can without hurting yourself. :)

    oh, btw, I don't hate the word "toned" either...it evokes a mental image of a certain type of body, and if that's what you want, more power to you. Personally, I prefer words like "freak", "beast", and "warrior goddess", but to each their own... =D
  • jamimari777
    jamimari777 Posts: 101 Member
    15 lbs for bicep curls with good form is tough! I'd say you are lifting good weight. Stick with it, and watch your protein. You'll figure out what works for you.
  • ars1300
    ars1300 Posts: 159 Member
    Make sure you are using enough weight that it feels challenging. If you easiliy busting out 15 reps its probably not heavy enough. If your not consuming enough protein you are going to have a hard time gaining any muscle tone. I lift weights heavy at least 4 days a week. I really got noticable results by doing HIIT cardio with it and increased protein intake.
  • Shanel0916
    Shanel0916 Posts: 586 Member
    bump
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    No, you can't build muscle on a deficit. Yes, you can look more muscular and get stronger. Lift as heavy as you can without hurting yourself. :)

    oh, btw, I don't hate the word "toned" either...it evokes a mental image of a certain type of body, and if that's what you want, more power to you. Personally, I prefer words like "freak", "beast", and "warrior goddess", but to each their own... =D
    THIS is helpful!
  • Squidgrok
    Squidgrok Posts: 84 Member
    "Warrior Goddess" Now thats what I'm talking about! *goes to update profile aspirations*
  • BarackMeLikeAHurricane
    BarackMeLikeAHurricane Posts: 3,400 Member
    No, you can't build muscle on a deficit. Yes, you can look more muscular and get stronger. Lift as heavy as you can without hurting yourself. :)

    oh, btw, I don't hate the word "toned" either...it evokes a mental image of a certain type of body, and if that's what you want, more power to you. Personally, I prefer words like "freak", "beast", and "warrior goddess", but to each their own... =D
    Exceptions: newbie gains and intermittent fasting (lean gains, warrior diet, cheat mode, etc)

    If OP is new to lifting she can still gain some muscle while losing fat.
  • NormInv
    NormInv Posts: 3,303 Member
    There is a calculator on this site that I cant find now. I think its from some sit call i-fit? Anyway, for body recomp, it will tell you to eat less on a non-workout day and more on a workout day. That makes most sense to me.
  • nz_deevaa
    nz_deevaa Posts: 12,209 Member
    I'm eating 1500 - 1700 calls. I work out 6 days/week for an hour. I lift heavy for me, ( bad neck) 15lb dumbbells for bicep curls, kickbacks, overhead press, use 25lb dumbbells for bent over rows, deadlifts. Squats. In between sets & on alternate days I jump on my mini tramp & dance ( hi knees,punches,etc) I need to lose 30 lbs. Will I melt fat leaving me looking a little more toned up ? I want to add muscle but need to get weight off ( Dr said it would help my neck) he says to use light weights,as in Barbie weights. I'm seeing no results with a tape or scales. Any thoughts ? I'm concerned about, you can't build muscle while eating at a deficit ....please help. How long does it take ? Did 3 solid weeks then 2 wks off for sprained ankle, back now to lifting , dancing & sweating for last 2 wks.

    Have you had any progression in the weights you are using?

    It's fine to start off light, but you need to add weight as you progress. You can't keep lifting the same amount, you need to make it a challenge.
  • Liftnlove
    Liftnlove Posts: 235
    No, you can't build muscle on a deficit. Yes, you can look more muscular and get stronger. Lift as heavy as you can without hurting yourself. :)

    oh, btw, I don't hate the word "toned" either...it evokes a mental image of a certain type of body, and if that's what you want, more power to you. Personally, I prefer words like "freak", "beast", and "warrior goddess", but to each their own... =D
    Exceptions: newbie gains and intermittent fasting (lean gains, warrior diet, cheat mode, etc)

    If OP is new to lifting she can still gain some muscle while losing fat.

    I agree with newbie gains...but, not the rest. She won't build significant muscle on a calorie deficit, period. IF is not magic. The body can't build something from nothing. There is no diet or method of eating that trumps the laws of physics. But if anyone would like to show me some examples of people who have gained significant amounts of LBM (without drugs), while eating at a caloric deficit, I'll be waiting for those pics...
  • Debbiedebbiey
    Debbiedebbiey Posts: 824 Member
    Definitely not "easily" busting out 15lb curls, " grunting" them out more like it - 8 of them are rough. 12 and my neck is really tightening up beyond my liking, but *%¡< it I'm tired of being flabby
    So I will hang another 4 wks, I'm doing a workout from oxygen magazine, every other day for the lifting, it's pretty thorough, is that a good idea? I know to switch it up later but for now keep after the same workout ?
  • miame22
    miame22 Posts: 16
    If you are aiming for Gwenth Paltrow arms keep with the "Barbie" weights (long ballet arms is what come to mind). I am with you, looking for the toned and softer look, not the rock hard ripped look. I use the Barbie weights with The Method (Pilates, Ballet, Yoga, Tai Chi mix) 2 x a week and kick boxing (bag, gloves not Tae Bo) 2 x a week. make sure you are breaking a sweat with your work outs, if not you may want to kick it up a notch.
    My question though is what is your protein in take? I personally didn't lose any fat or gain any muscle until I started aiming for 80 to 120 grams of protein in a 1200 to 1500 calorie intake day (not net, total). I also cut out 90% of processed food, sugar & white flour. The food part is what made a difference for me. Weight isn't 'melting off', I have to fight for every ounce off and every scrap of muscle but with 2 herniated disks, a mostly dead thyroid and an auto immune disease, it's the best I can do.
    Keep it up! make sure you are breaking a sweat with your work outs, if not you may want to kick it up a notch.
  • Debbiedebbiey
    Debbiedebbiey Posts: 824 Member
    If you are aiming for Gwenth Paltrow arms keep with the "Barbie" weights (long ballet arms is what come to mind). I am with you, looking for the toned and softer look, not the rock hard ripped look. I use the Barbie weights with The Method (Pilates, Ballet, Yoga, Tai Chi mix) 2 x a week and kick boxing (bag, gloves not Tae Bo) 2 x a week. make sure you are breaking a sweat with your work outs, if not you may want to kick it up a notch.
    My question though is what is your protein in take? I personally didn't lose any fat or gain any muscle until I started aiming for 80 to 120 grams of protein in a 1200 to 1500 calorie intake day (not net, total). I also cut out 90% of processed food, sugar & white flour. The food part is what made a difference for me. Weight isn't 'melting off', I have to fight for every ounce off and every scrap of muscle but with 2 herniated disks, a mostly dead thyroid and an auto immune disease, it's the best I can do.
    Keep it up! make sure you are breaking a sweat with your work outs, if not you may want to kick it up a notch.
  • Debbiedebbiey
    Debbiedebbiey Posts: 824 Member
    I'm good on protein, 100+ and my weights started at 2.5 & 5lbs after my accident, so I feel I'm lifting decent weight, actually I would never share with my doctors, they prob think it's a bit much as I am still treating, so 1500 calls on cardio only days, 1700 on lifting/ cardio days then ? Reluctant bc my bodybugg often gave 2700-2800 as my TDEE. So, wondering if I should take cals up a bit or is that just asking for it ???
  • miame22
    miame22 Posts: 16
    When I did body bugg after I had my son (my hubby did it too) we only lost if we had 1000 to 1500 cal deceits each day to what Body Bugg said we burned. Sounds like healthy progression to me. I needed a month before my body agreed to let anything go. Give it more time.
  • yourenotmine
    yourenotmine Posts: 645 Member
    I'm good on protein, 100+ and my weights started at 2.5 & 5lbs after my accident, so I feel I'm lifting decent weight, actually I would never share with my doctors, they prob think it's a bit much as I am still treating, so 1500 calls on cardio only days, 1700 on lifting/ cardio days then ? Reluctant bc my bodybugg often gave 2700-2800 as my TDEE. So, wondering if I should take cals up a bit or is that just asking for it ???

    I know that everyone is in a hurry to lose weight, but why are you pressing your luck lifting more than your dr okayed? It doesn't make sense to hurt yourself so you can't do ANY strenuous activity. This is a fitness site, not a medical site, so it makes sense that people here would applaud your pushing yourself, but lifting heavy weights may not be for everyone. Please be careful. Your body is the only one you have.
  • RobynC79
    RobynC79 Posts: 331 Member
    Good work so far. I am going to disagree with several things in various posts up above:

    1. The irrational hatred of 'toning' - it's a word, like being 'ripped'. It's figurative, as taken literally it has no meaning applicable to muscles. We all know what posters mean when they invoke the term, for heaven's sake. No need to attack them for not following the dogma of MFP.

    2. "Can't build muscle on a deficit". This is usually invoked when people are eating relatively few calories (although this poster may well be eating at maintenance/surplus, I don't know), but it assumes that ingested energy is all the body has available. Except that this lady states she has 30 pounds to lose, which if we adhere to the accepted '3500 kcal/lb' doctrine, gives her an energetic surplus of around 100,000 calories. Now, there is a limit to how many can expended from fat per unit of time, but in general, 'caloric deficit' is not the state of her body. To the OP - I am saying that to be mean, far from it, so please don't think I am. I'm just a little tired of this advice given out without any critical thought. For people at optimal weight it may well be true, but I think you can build a small amount of muscle and lose fat simultaneously. Most of your visible results will still come from fat loss, however.

    3. I think the various comments subtly denigrating the weight she currently lifting are a little unfair. Assuming she is starting from scratch, doing curls with 15lbs in each hand and using 25lb for other lifts is not trivial. If she is working out from home and is not practiced, progressing with correct form is far more important than hiking her weights too rapidly, particularly if she has a pre-existing injury! I think she's doing great for being new to lifting.

    4. 'Protein intake' For someone who is currently overweight and presumably eats an acceptable western diet, lack of protein is not an issue. High-protein is of use when bodyfat is low already, perhaps, but not really otherwise. She would be fine eating whatever protein levels she likes - nearly all western diets comprise a large excess of protein compared to what is necessary.

    To the original poster - it sounds like you are doing quite well so far, and your approach seems to be reasonable and likely to be successful, to me. Take your time and you will get your results, I am sure. There are many 'commandments' stated on the forums, some of which are not necessarily true, some are not even slightly true, some apply to subset of people, and some are worth attending to. Figure out what's right for you and leave the rest.
  • Sunka1
    Sunka1 Posts: 217 Member
    I don't hate the word "toned". Describe your goals however you want and good luck in the process!

    i agree. Let's be supportive here.
  • Otterluv
    Otterluv Posts: 9,083 Member
    I'm going to go against the grain here and say that you need to follow your doctor's advice for now. You may not get your dream body right away, for that you will need to lift heavier. But right now, you are rehabbing an injury and need to take care with how rough you are on it. If you don't, it could sideline you for a lot longer than it otherwise would.

    Ask me how I know?! I have a bad habit of pushing too much too quickly with an injury and it ends up biting me in the rear, it's something I'm working on. Take your time, this is all about the long haul.
  • Debbiedebbiey
    Debbiedebbiey Posts: 824 Member
    Thank you to all who took the time to help me !!! I will continue on as I am enjoying what I'm doing, super helpful mentally, just wished it showed on the outside in the mirror !!! :flowerforyou: