Runners- ? TM vs. road

If running on a treadmill is "easier" (less resistance, different mechanics, etc) then why do I consistently pace better on my outdoor runs than indoors, with the same perceived exertion? Anybody else notice this? My typical pace outdoors is currently about 12:00; on the treadmill about 13:30. (I'm about 6 months pregnant so all my "runs" have to be slow and easy, with walk breaks.) I'm guessing it is a mental thing, but what do you think?
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  • Running indoors at the same heart rate feels much harder to me. I hate it
  • bracertj
    bracertj Posts: 13 Member
    I'm no expert, but I wouldn't consider a t'mill easier, but as you stated it is different. It's a different foot strike and gate, which in turn recruits different muscles than a standard road running stride. I find myself getting more tired, faster on the t'mill, I attribute it to the less natural stride and different foot strike, (not to mention the boredom).
  • AmazonRDH
    AmazonRDH Posts: 203 Member
    i train on a treadmill too because i have a 3 year old asleep when i have time to run, can't exactly take off into the great outdoors. yep supposedly the motion of the treadmill does some of the work for you so it's "less work." i read something yesterday that said if you are training on a treadmill you need to double the distance of what you're training for, so if you're training for a 5K, you need to run 6 miles on the treadmill to get the same distance. GULP! personally i love my treadmill, i'm a very shy person and hate people looking at me (LOL!) but i do go out and do 5K's with my BFF. when i'm at home though, treadmill! :bigsmile:
  • vjohn04
    vjohn04 Posts: 2,276 Member
    I'm in the same boat. I run a 9 min mile on the road easy peasy--- then my TM runs are closer to 10 min miles, and I'm exerting the same.
  • dixiewhiskey
    dixiewhiskey Posts: 3,333 Member
    The motherly instinct in me wants to ask how you are running being 6 months pregnant but keeping on topic it's different because you are running differently outdoors than you would on the treadmill.

    Ever come off a treadmill and feel like you are still on it? It's like that.. outdoors, you don't get that.
  • MrsDrake678
    MrsDrake678 Posts: 90 Member
    I'm backwards. I was doing the couch to 5 k on my treadmill and was all over it! I got all full of myself and challenged my hubby to a run around our super long blocks and damn near died. I'm no longer a fan of my treadmill. It gave me a false sense of accomplishment. Now I'm going to do the couch to 5 k only outside because I signed up for my first 5k that is happening in August and I want to make sure I can actually RUN it lol
  • pobalita
    pobalita Posts: 741 Member
    I've read that your stride on the treadmill is often shorter than your stride outdoors and that accounts for the drop in pace with the same perceived exertion.

    I also hate running on the treadmill for the same reasons everyone else said. My pace sucks and it seems like it takes forever to run the distance I normally run outside.
  • SatchGallamax
    SatchGallamax Posts: 549 Member
    I am a terrible runner on a treadmill. It's harder on my knees (unless I'm at some sort of incline), my stride is a lot shorter, and it's incredibly boring. I definitely get more out of my runs when they're outdoors.

    Also, good for you for keeping up with your fitness through pregnancy!
  • I have to feel the gravel
  • emtjmac
    emtjmac Posts: 1,320 Member
    Running on a treadmill makes me feel hatred towards other human beings. Running outside is freedom man... freedom. AMURRICA.
  • ValerieMomof2
    ValerieMomof2 Posts: 530 Member
    I've read that your stride on the treadmill is often shorter than your stride outdoors and that accounts for the drop in pace with the same perceived exertion.

    I also hate running on the treadmill for the same reasons everyone else said. My pace sucks and it seems like it takes forever to run the distance I normally run outside.
    This is what I was going to say and
    Running on a treadmill makes me feel hatred towards other human beings.
    This is how I feel when I run on a treadmill. Worst mood because I despise it so much!
  • dixiewhiskey
    dixiewhiskey Posts: 3,333 Member
    Running on a treadmill makes me feel hatred towards other human beings. Running outside is freedom man... freedom. AMURRICA.

    :laugh:
  • NCchar130
    NCchar130 Posts: 955 Member
    I've only done ONE outdoor run so far but was running much faster - I wonder if it's a mental block? I look down at the mph on the treadmill and think, I can't possibly go any faster and keep it up. Outside, I just ran and adjusted my speed as necessary without any clue til the end how fast I was running.
  • scottb81
    scottb81 Posts: 2,538 Member
    During the winter treadmill running is harder because it's hot inside and there is no airflow. More heat stress equals a higher heartrate at the same speed.
  • Lostone31
    Lostone31 Posts: 57
    I personally despise treadmills. I would rather run outside in the cold rain... Wait I did that today... 20 degree weather. The not going anywhere thing makes me angry. It's a nice day out and you're on a treadmill... Well at least you are doing something.
  • NotBonJovi
    NotBonJovi Posts: 187 Member
    No joke. I feel like a hamster on the treadmill. I can run 30 mins on the treadmill before boredom overpowers me. Watching TV while on TM is not of much help. I definitely enjoy running outdoors.
  • jhmomofmany
    jhmomofmany Posts: 571 Member
    Wow, it's apparently a lot more common than I thought! Lots of good feedback, thanks!

    BTW... I have my midwife's OK to continue my routine with common sense modifications and as long as the pregnancy remains uncomplicated. :smile:
  • Luvmyhubby222
    Luvmyhubby222 Posts: 149 Member
    They are totally different, but each serves a purpose for me. I like the obvious when outside-the view, the changing scenery, being able to run with my pooch etc. But I like the safety and zen of a treadmill-I don't have to be aware of everyone and thing around me (traffic, road hazzards,serial killers), so much of the time I just throw on the music and get lost in my thoughts. Often when I look down at the numbers I am surprised how much time and distance I've covered. :bigsmile:
  • AmandaW01
    AmandaW01 Posts: 138
    I find it much easier physically running outside to running on the treadmill and can't work out why anyone would suggest that you need to go twice as far on a treadmill to get the same benefit as running outdoors - that's mental! I struggle to clear 5k on a treadmill but can cheerfully (well, not cheerfully but without dying) run 10k on the road - I run faster outside too.

    The main benefit of the treadmill is that I can train when the children are home if I need to - I can't just run off and leave them but I can leap on the treadmill! The weather doesn't affect my schedule either that way - I HATE running in the rain with a passion. The other thing is that on the road, if I'm absolutely exhausted I will let my pace drop, as the treadmill is going at whatever pace it is set to I don't tend to change it and will battle through so in that way it pushes me much more - no slacking :-)
  • bacamacho
    bacamacho Posts: 306 Member
    Often, when you run on a treadmill, it's set at a pace and stays there. When you run outdoors, your pace varies according to the course. You will fly down a hill, slow down going up, and waver between a slow and fast pace on a flat. All of that will affect your overall pace and your finish time.

    I've done quite a bit of running on both. Sometimes other factors affect pace, like running late at night and wanting to get it done before the crazies come out, lol! That often makes for a very fast outdoor run for me. I love doing interval training on treadmills. They force you to hold a pace.
  • RonandDi
    RonandDi Posts: 120 Member
    I've been on the treadmill every morning since last October and finally got a chance to run outside a few weeks ago. I was surprised at how much faster pace I kept outside. I think starting out on the treadmill for so long has helped my form. Years ago I used to run occasionally, all outside, and my shins would kill me. I take a much shorter stride and land less on my heals on the treadmill. That seems to have carried outside.
  • JoanB5
    JoanB5 Posts: 610 Member
    ...My typical pace outdoors is currently about 12:00; on the treadmill about 13:30. (I'm about 6 months pregnant so all my "runs" have to be slow and easy, with walk breaks.) I'm guessing it is a mental thing, but what do you think?

    That's a fast pace for me! I just like being safe, having my fan, reading material, and NCIS. I look at it for what I can be thankful for, not what I hate about it. In the dead of winter, I'm not going outside, so it's a tool for me, not a "favorite thing in the world to do". It's a discipline. I am looking forward to hitting the pavement with my husband this spring and summer as a result! I pace better outside than on the treadmill as a rule, too. I hope that is the case this year!
  • JoanB5
    JoanB5 Posts: 610 Member
    They are totally different, but each serves a purpose for me. I like the obvious when outside-the view, the changing scenery, being able to run with my pooch etc. But I like the safety and zen of a treadmill-I don't have to be aware of everyone and thing around me (traffic, road hazzards,serial killers), so much of the time I just throw on the music and get lost in my thoughts. Often when I look down at the numbers I am surprised how much time and distance I've covered. :bigsmile:

    YES! I love my treadmill for these reasons...but I have surround sound with NCIS ready to go, my iPod I can hook into it with Pandora, and even read on walk days, or during warmups and cool downs, AND a BOX FAN pointed right at me! And, the screens challenge me during commerials (cals burned/miles/pace stats). Gotta keep it mixed up!
  • MinnieInMaine
    MinnieInMaine Posts: 6,400 Member
    I think it depends on what you're used to. When I first started running, the treadmill was easier because it helped me slow down my pace to a reasonable level so I could actually breathe and run for more than 30 seconds. The first time I ran outside, I thought I was going to die! I had a hard time keeping the right pace plus there's random hills and even those dips in the sidewalk can mess with you. But as I ran more outside, I got used to it and was able to pace myself very well.

    Now the treadmill is absolute torture! I hate running at the same pace constantly and increasing or decreasing at the available intervals never feels right. The only way I'll run on the treadmill now is if I'm doing intervals...
  • Factory_Reset
    Factory_Reset Posts: 1,651 Member
    We had a treadmill for about a year before we sold it. I'd much rather be outside, regardless of the weather. I'd rather feel the cold and rain than have to run indoors. I think running nowhere is what made me hate it so much.
  • allisonlane61
    allisonlane61 Posts: 187 Member
    I'm so glad someone asked this question! I consistently, 100% actually, maintain a faster pace on road runs than TM runs. Also, I run on my TM with my Nike+ Sportswatch and my foot sensor, and my TM is pretty darned accurate. They are always within a tenth or two of a mile of each other. If someone's treadmill is reading a mile difference, maybe the belt is all stretched out or consider getting a new TM. Also, I actually am a far better runner on the road as far as endurance and pace, and in no way have to double my TM run.
  • lbetancourt
    lbetancourt Posts: 522 Member
    I don't ever really pay attention to my pace on a treadmill. and, i only use a treadmill when i absolutely can't get outdoors.
  • divaindy
    divaindy Posts: 108 Member
    Only run on dirt,have never run on TM but love the freedom of the trail and dirt road.I don't think I could run as fast think I would fall off if I was not holding on! And I only run at around 10 min miles.
  • TomjsAj
    TomjsAj Posts: 45 Member
    I use to do triathlons and in the winter one year I trained on the treadmill and never did that again because when I went back outside I was started out running less miles then I was when winter started! I am done with running now, literally I just don't do it I go for long hikes and power walks. Sometimes use the treadmill on 10 incline to train for strenuous hiking trips when I can't get out in the forest to do it and it is not the same but does the trick. If I started racing again I would not use it.
  • 3dogsrunning
    3dogsrunning Posts: 27,167 Member
    I like to pretend that the treadmill is measure too long.
    I am at least 1 -2 minutes per mile slower on the treadmill. I struggle to do 3 miles on the treadmill and can easily do 10 miles outside, at a faster pace.
    Like someone else said, it depends on what you are used to. I have read people say that physically the treadmill is easier, but for me, mentally, I struggle. No tv show or music can help me.
    My solution is to do intervals. At least when I am focused on how long I have left in this interval, I spend less time thinking of how miserable I am.


    As for the running while pregnant - I don't know if PP meant one shouldn't be running while pregnant or that it would be really hard to do. Most doctors will says running while pregnant is fine if you have already been running, unless you have certain complications. Obviously it is something that one should discuss with her doctor.