859 calories shopping?
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no, just no...
this is not exercise..this is just daily activity..
I walk up and down the stairs at work 20 times a day ..I do not count that as exercise...
No, this is not daily activity. I do not go shopping at the mall and walk for the most part of 4 hours. I do not count weekly shopping trips to walmart etc. I was also toting bags of clothes, shoes
Why don't you just do what you want to do and not ask for opinions that you really don't care about?
Ummm so a trip to the mall counts, but a trip to walmart does not? I am missing something here...?
You really should not log daily activities - shopping, work, cleaning, walking to car, etc....as "exercise" just my opinion...
No, walmart trips are my normal routine. Are you reading what I am posting? The mall trip for almost 4 hours was more than I normally do in a week. Clear yet?
no, walking around the mall is not exercise sorry .it just is not..
I went to the mall last weekend and walked around for two hours..that is not exercise..that is something I did during the day aka daily activity...
Yes, walking is exercise. I go to the gym and bust *kitten* on the treadmill at an incline at 4 mph and I am pretty sure that is exercise. And yes, for the third time, it (an almost 4 hour shopping trip most of which I was walking albeit slower than 4 mph) is over and above what I would normally do on any day, therefor it is NOT normal daily activity. Thanks for your input though.
Why don't you just do what you want to do and not waste our time asking for opinions you don't care about?0 -
Well, you have to figure some of that is your standard burn (what you would burn even if just sitting) - my hourly average is 90 calories just sitting. (If yours is similar, and it may not be, it would be nearly 360 - so you may have burned around an extra 500). Have you worn your HRM for three days and averaged the three numbers to get your average TDEE?
Sorry HRM is not designer for use all day... It is just designer for increase HR.
OP, don't count it as exercise. It is part of your daily activity. When you do not have an elevator HR it will not be as accurate.0 -
Thin people also don't have as much body mass to move around, and I think there is some serious fat hatred going on in this thread. When someone isn't thin, lots of movements that thin and active people take for granted as easy breezy daily activity are nothing of the sort. When I'm overweight, normal things for you (like just one flight of stairs, let alone 20) can leave me out of breath and sweating. Nobody said they were planning to stuff up on hundreds of calories of junk all justified by a walk from the parking lot to the store. Asking if a measurement of calorie burn is accurate isn't the same as seeking justification to eat it all back. It is important to not burn a large uncounted excess of calories in a day without giving yourself some added nutrition. She seems self aware of the situation enough to have asked the question in the first place.
And yes, if I sat on my butt (even more than regularly??) all day, then I would make sure to go a bit under my normal calorie range. Obviously.
Good commentary.
OP was obviously doing physical movement. That's exercise.
In OP's situation, I would log half of the HRM's estimate to be on the safe side. Then I would eat back those calories, or not, depending on my hunger levels.0 -
OP - you asked for opinions and got them. Supportive doesn't always mean telling you what you want to hear.
Nope, at this point I wouldn't count shopping. One reason is because it's generally a slow pace. I also don't count gardening or cleaning, unless I'm actually working a sweat or can feel it. I have gotten to the point where I can feel the difference and when I'm putting in effort.
But, that said, I don't eat low calories and instead eat at a moderate deficit of my TDEE, so I'm not as retentive about tracking every calorie I burn.0 -
Thin people also don't have as much body mass to move around,
Because they move around and don't worry about getting extra "nutrition" to compensate.0 -
Thin people also don't have as much body mass to move around,
Because they move around and don't worry about getting extra "nutrition" to compensate.
Oh hey, some more sizeism.0 -
Why does every movement during the day need to be compensated for with extra food regardless of whether it was normal or not? That's fat people thinking. If you only log these things so it looks good for your friends that's rather pointless too. Thin people don't come home from shopping wondering how many calories they burned or how if they can eat that extra cookie because they shopped today.
The whole thing is a mindset that needs to be changed. Every movement doesn't require a reward of food. You don't get a gold star every time you actually do something, it's life. Some days you do more, some days you do less. It all evens out in the end. I bet the days you don't feel like doing much you don't deduct calories because you sat on your butt all day.
A reasonable voice on here. Mind blown. Kudos.
OP re-read this please and take heed.0 -
If it is a "not-everyday-activity" I would log about half of the time as "walking 2mph" or similar. This way you get some exercise calories but won't be over-estimating.
This is what I do, because it isn't something that you do on the norm. But instead of the 4 hours only log 2.0 -
Thin people also don't have as much body mass to move around, and I think there is some serious fat hatred going on in this thread. When someone isn't thin, lots of movements that thin and active people take for granted as easy breezy daily activity are nothing of the sort. When I'm overweight, normal things for you (like just one flight of stairs, let alone 20) can leave me out of breath and sweating. Nobody said they were planning to stuff up on hundreds of calories of junk all justified by a walk from the parking lot to the store. Asking if a measurement of calorie burn is accurate isn't the same as seeking justification to eat it all back. It is important to not burn a large uncounted excess of calories in a day without giving yourself some added nutrition. She seems self aware of the situation enough to have asked the question in the first place.
And yes, if I sat on my butt (even more than regularly??) all day, then I would make sure to go a bit under my normal calorie range. Obviously.
Good commentary.
OP was obviously doing physical movement. That's exercise.
In OP's situation, I would log half of the HRM's estimate to be on the safe side. Then I would eat back those calories, or not, depending on my hunger levels.
Its not about fat hatred....its about whether you should log a stroll through the mall as "exercise' Given that logic I could park my car at end of the parking lot walking into the grocery store and say "oh, look I parked an extra 20 feet away I can log this as exercise because I do not normally do that"....I don't care if you fat, thin, curvy whatever I just don't think things people are doing on daily basis..cleaning, shopping etc should be logged...the OP asked if it should be logged and I gave my opinion...0 -
Thin people also don't have as much body mass to move around, and I think there is some serious fat hatred going on in this thread. When someone isn't thin, lots of movements that thin and active people take for granted as easy breezy daily activity are nothing of the sort. When I'm overweight, normal things for you (like just one flight of stairs, let alone 20) can leave me out of breath and sweating. Nobody said they were planning to stuff up on hundreds of calories of junk all justified by a walk from the parking lot to the store. Asking if a measurement of calorie burn is accurate isn't the same as seeking justification to eat it all back. It is important to not burn a large uncounted excess of calories in a day without giving yourself some added nutrition. She seems self aware of the situation enough to have asked the question in the first place.
And yes, if I sat on my butt (even more than regularly??) all day, then I would make sure to go a bit under my normal calorie range. Obviously.
Good commentary.
OP was obviously doing physical movement. That's exercise.
In OP's situation, I would log half of the HRM's estimate to be on the safe side. Then I would eat back those calories, or not, depending on my hunger levels.
Its not about fat hatred....its about whether you should log a stroll through the mall as "exercise' Given that logic I could park my car at end of the parking lot walking into the grocery store and say "oh, look I parked an extra 20 feet away I can log this as exercise because I do not normally do that"....I don't care if you fat, thin, curvy whatever I just don't think things people are doing on daily basis..cleaning, shopping etc should be logged...the OP asked if it should be logged and I gave my opinion...
Um, OP stated repeatedly that they don't walk for hours in the mall on a daily basis. Many people don't clean or shop on a daily basis either. Normal daily activity differs from person to person.0 -
Thin people also don't have as much body mass to move around,
Because they move around and don't worry about getting extra "nutrition" to compensate.
Seriously not cool. Don't judge others and don't assume things you don't know about others.0 -
Thin people also don't have as much body mass to move around,
Because they move around and don't worry about getting extra "nutrition" to compensate.
Seriously not cool. Don't judge others and don't assume things you don't know about others.
Classic case of stereotyping fat people. Didn't you know, all of us have the exact same though processes, activity levels, and eating habits. :yawn:0 -
On the note of cleaning or anything of that sort too, I won't log it unless I'm cleaning snow off of cars for an extended period of time or shoveling snow. Those (particularly shoveling) are definitely above and beyond normal daily burns!
I probably wouldn't log the four hour mall trip myself, but to the OP, I would say it's up to you - if I did, I would suggest logging half of the calories. I'm sure you don't make a four hour mall trip every single day, so it IS above and beyond your daily expenditure. Your choice, and just because you log it (or don't log it) doesn't mean you have to eat it!
The 20 sets of stairs every day deal, when it's something like that, I would change the lifestyle setting. Same if I were to get a job loading trucks or whatnot, manual labor, etc.. no way I would go and log 8 hours of this or that - just up daily calories to compensate!0 -
Thin people also don't have as much body mass to move around,
Because they move around and don't worry about getting extra "nutrition" to compensate.
Oh hey, some more sizeism.
Didn't you know, when people who are overweight eat food it is only "nutrition" *wink wink somebody wants a cookie*. We never eat back exercise calories with protein or veggies, lol.0 -
I don't consider shopping worth counting.0
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Thin people also don't have as much body mass to move around, and I think there is some serious fat hatred going on in this thread. When someone isn't thin, lots of movements that thin and active people take for granted as easy breezy daily activity are nothing of the sort. When I'm overweight, normal things for you (like just one flight of stairs, let alone 20) can leave me out of breath and sweating. Nobody said they were planning to stuff up on hundreds of calories of junk all justified by a walk from the parking lot to the store. Asking if a measurement of calorie burn is accurate isn't the same as seeking justification to eat it all back. It is important to not burn a large uncounted excess of calories in a day without giving yourself some added nutrition. She seems self aware of the situation enough to have asked the question in the first place.
And yes, if I sat on my butt (even more than regularly??) all day, then I would make sure to go a bit under my normal calorie range. Obviously.
Good commentary.
OP was obviously doing physical movement. That's exercise.
In OP's situation, I would log half of the HRM's estimate to be on the safe side. Then I would eat back those calories, or not, depending on my hunger levels.
Its not about fat hatred....its about whether you should log a stroll through the mall as "exercise' Given that logic I could park my car at end of the parking lot walking into the grocery store and say "oh, look I parked an extra 20 feet away I can log this as exercise because I do not normally do that"....I don't care if you fat, thin, curvy whatever I just don't think things people are doing on daily basis..cleaning, shopping etc should be logged...the OP asked if it should be logged and I gave my opinion...
Um, OP stated repeatedly that they don't walk for hours in the mall on a daily basis. Many people don't clean or shop on a daily basis either. Normal daily activity differs from person to person.
so what?
should the equivalent four trips to Walmart also be logged then?
What if the OP sat at home for four hours...went to the mall for four hours..then came home and did nothing...should it still be logged bc rest of day was sedentary?0 -
So, I'm getting the idea that some think that walking around at a leisurely pace does not burn any more calories than just sitting around.
I sit behind the wheel of a truck for 10 hours a day (long haul). I am pretty sure I burn extra calories when I walk than when I literally sit sedentary all day long.
My HR rises 20-30 beats in my fat body just standing from sitting.
I'm not say'n. I'm just say'n.... :flowerforyou:
I do believe it burns more. I also believe walking is exercise.
I also believe that the formulas that figure our calorie goal take into account daily activity that is not just sitting, even at sedentary. So some of those extra calories are already accounted for. I also realize that this is above and beyond what she normally does, but for the sake of one day, for a few extra calories, I wouldn't log it. Like I said I'd consider it a bonus or to make up for a day I was less than normally active or maybe a few calories over goal.0 -
Thin people also don't have as much body mass to move around, and I think there is some serious fat hatred going on in this thread. When someone isn't thin, lots of movements that thin and active people take for granted as easy breezy daily activity are nothing of the sort. When I'm overweight, normal things for you (like just one flight of stairs, let alone 20) can leave me out of breath and sweating. Nobody said they were planning to stuff up on hundreds of calories of junk all justified by a walk from the parking lot to the store. Asking if a measurement of calorie burn is accurate isn't the same as seeking justification to eat it all back. It is important to not burn a large uncounted excess of calories in a day without giving yourself some added nutrition. She seems self aware of the situation enough to have asked the question in the first place.
And yes, if I sat on my butt (even more than regularly??) all day, then I would make sure to go a bit under my normal calorie range. Obviously.
Sorry, I have to disagree with the first part of this. I think that it isn't necessarily a being overweight thing. While things can be harder and you are moving more mass around being overweight, it's kind of more of an indication of being out of shape. When I started running, my thin cousin started at the same time. I weighed 270 pounds, she weighed 140. She had just as difficult a time starting it as I did. My thin husband thought he was going to die on the 30 second intervals. I wanted to blame the difficulty I was having on my weight, but really, starting running is just hard for everyone who is out of shape. But, it's amazing what we are capable of if we work at it, even when we are overweight.
OP - By all means, if it truly felt like cardio effort (not just sore feet, etc. from being on them all day) then count it as a burn. Especially if you are eating at a lower level. But, be honest with yourself. You were there, you know how it felt, we don't.0 -
Thin people also don't have as much body mass to move around,
Because they move around and don't worry about getting extra "nutrition" to compensate.
Oh hey, some more sizeism.
Didn't you know, when people who are overweight eat food it is only "nutrition" *wink wink somebody wants a cookie*. We never eat back exercise calories with protein or veggies, lol.
NEVER, OBVIOUSLY FAT PEOPLE EAT NOTHING BUT DONUTS AND COOKIES AND BIG MACS AND WE LIVE SOLELY FOR EXCUSES TO EAT MORE OF OUR PRECIOUS FATTY FOOD, WE ARE ALL MINDLESS COOKIE ZOMBIES!0 -
Thin people also don't have as much body mass to move around,
Because they move around and don't worry about getting extra "nutrition" to compensate.
Oh hey, some more sizeism.
Didn't you know, when people who are overweight eat food it is only "nutrition" *wink wink somebody wants a cookie*. We never eat back exercise calories with protein or veggies, lol.
NEVER, OBVIOUSLY FAT PEOPLE EAT NOTHING BUT DONUTS AND COOKIES AND BIG MACS AND WE LIVE SOLELY FOR EXCUSES TO EAT MORE OF OUR PRECIOUS FATTY FOOD, WE ARE ALL MINDLESS COOKIE ZOMBIES!
And now I'm picturing Cookie Monster as also a zombie. Bwahahah!0 -
Thin people also don't have as much body mass to move around, and I think there is some serious fat hatred going on in this thread. When someone isn't thin, lots of movements that thin and active people take for granted as easy breezy daily activity are nothing of the sort. When I'm overweight, normal things for you (like just one flight of stairs, let alone 20) can leave me out of breath and sweating. Nobody said they were planning to stuff up on hundreds of calories of junk all justified by a walk from the parking lot to the store. Asking if a measurement of calorie burn is accurate isn't the same as seeking justification to eat it all back. It is important to not burn a large uncounted excess of calories in a day without giving yourself some added nutrition. She seems self aware of the situation enough to have asked the question in the first place.
And yes, if I sat on my butt (even more than regularly??) all day, then I would make sure to go a bit under my normal calorie range. Obviously.
Good commentary.
OP was obviously doing physical movement. That's exercise.
In OP's situation, I would log half of the HRM's estimate to be on the safe side. Then I would eat back those calories, or not, depending on my hunger levels.
Its not about fat hatred....its about whether you should log a stroll through the mall as "exercise' Given that logic I could park my car at end of the parking lot walking into the grocery store and say "oh, look I parked an extra 20 feet away I can log this as exercise because I do not normally do that"....I don't care if you fat, thin, curvy whatever I just don't think things people are doing on daily basis..cleaning, shopping etc should be logged...the OP asked if it should be logged and I gave my opinion...
Um, OP stated repeatedly that they don't walk for hours in the mall on a daily basis. Many people don't clean or shop on a daily basis either. Normal daily activity differs from person to person.
so what?
should the equivalent four trips to Walmart also be logged then?
What if the OP sat at home for four hours...went to the mall for four hours..then came home and did nothing...should it still be logged bc rest of day was sedentary?
Why shouldn't it be logged? Not everyone logs for the same reasons. Some want to have a record of their physical activity.
Also, if a person is going from completely sedentary to having some form of activity, they're still burning more calories by doing said activity.0 -
I don't see logging four hours of walking in the mall any different than me getting the calorie count from logging steps from my fitbit. No one is ragging on fitbit people, so why is everyone mad about this situation? Yes, not 800+ calories, but it's definitely not a daily activity she does....0
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ndj1979 - I read what you wrote, and I get what you're saying. I catch myself thinking, "yeah, it is different, walking in a mall vs treadmilling a mile or three." But then, I'm forgetting about how winded I got walking up 13 steps between the floors in my house, and how tired I was if I went to the mall and went to two stores and browsed for a half hour... It has been so long now that I nearly forgot what it was like to be sweaty and tired, feet hurting, tough to breathe... The way, you know, a "real" workout might make you feel.
I don't know if the OP is obese, I don't know how much the OP eats, I am not going to go look. I'm just saying, you've either never been morbidly obese, or you're forgetting what it felt like if you're writing off walking through the mall for four hours.
Would I log 850 calories? No. Or at least not eat all of them back (only some, IF I were hungry). But to say it's "not exercise" or is included in a sedentary activity level is nonsense. I agree OP should change to lightly active.0 -
I don't see logging four hours of walking in the mall any different than me getting the calorie count from logging steps from my fitbit. No one is ragging on fitbit people, so why is everyone mad about this situation? Yes, not 800+ calories, but it's definitely not a daily activity she does....
Yes! Great point.0 -
I don't see logging four hours of walking in the mall any different than me getting the calorie count from logging steps from my fitbit. No one is ragging on fitbit people, so why is everyone mad about this situation? Yes, not 800+ calories, but it's definitely not a daily activity she does....
Yes! Great point.
1. I'm not ragging.
2. She asked my opinion.
3. I have no idea how fit bits work or how they interface with MFP so I have no opinion.
4. No one asked me my opinion on fit bits. (See #3 if they had)
For the record - since this sort of turned into a fat hating accusation thing - I have zero idea how much weight OP had to lose and made no assumptions about that. My answer would have been the same regardless.0 -
When I go above and beyond normal activity and know that I will want/need to eat a little extra, then I log part of the activity. My job is sedentary, and I don't generally log cleaning, shopping, etc. But, sometimes, I do a deep cleaning and lots of laundry. 1200 calories is not enough for that day as I'm moving for several hours. I will log part of the activity or just plan on eating an extra 200 or 300 calories.
People get overly picky about not logging cleaning or shopping as exercise, and normally I don't. But, if I am doing something above and beyond normal, I like to log it so that I can eat a bit more that day. I get really hungry where I will want to go overboard if I operate at too much of a deficit.0 -
my only point is that these things are included in the functions that your body is already going to do and already burn calories....I just don't see how a walk in the mall is going to provide any additional health benefit or calorie burn when you already have that in your TDEE....
So when you log all this stuff and have not lost any weight...pleas don't post a thread in a month that says "four weeks in and no loss, help"0 -
A walk around the mall can maybe burn an extra 200 calories that one time. But you can also underestimate your food portions the rest of the day, or sleep in an extra hour, or eat over your calorie allotment the next day. The difference in miniscule and extra calorie consumption isn't warranted.
Besides, OP even admitted that when walking for exercise, it's on an incline at 4mph. When shopping at a mall people don't walk at 4mph or on an incline. It's not a workout.0 -
Thin people also don't have as much body mass to move around,
Because they move around and don't worry about getting extra "nutrition" to compensate.
Oh hey, some more sizeism.
Didn't you know, when people who are overweight eat food it is only "nutrition" *wink wink somebody wants a cookie*. We never eat back exercise calories with protein or veggies, lol.
NEVER, OBVIOUSLY FAT PEOPLE EAT NOTHING BUT DONUTS AND COOKIES AND BIG MACS AND WE LIVE SOLELY FOR EXCUSES TO EAT MORE OF OUR PRECIOUS FATTY FOOD, WE ARE ALL MINDLESS COOKIE ZOMBIES!
Now I really want a cookie!! Man, I'm such a fat *kitten*.0 -
Thin people also don't have as much body mass to move around,
Because they move around and don't worry about getting extra "nutrition" to compensate.
Oh hey, some more sizeism.
Didn't you know, when people who are overweight eat food it is only "nutrition" *wink wink somebody wants a cookie*. We never eat back exercise calories with protein or veggies, lol.
NEVER, OBVIOUSLY FAT PEOPLE EAT NOTHING BUT DONUTS AND COOKIES AND BIG MACS AND WE LIVE SOLELY FOR EXCUSES TO EAT MORE OF OUR PRECIOUS FATTY FOOD, WE ARE ALL MINDLESS COOKIE ZOMBIES!
I resemble that remark! Or did and may again. Hopefully not. :flowerforyou:0
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