Bulking While Eating "Clean" - Need Advice
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Alright well apparently karma decided to smack me a new one. (Magerum you're gonna love this)
Had a meeting with my agent today (I'm an actor) and he told me that even though my body looks great, all the eating well and exercising has leaned out my face, and it's confusing for casting directors when they want me to be playing young characters but my face looks so angular. He told me that it would really be in my interest to gain some weight. Ironic because over the last year I HAVE gained weight, but I've dropped body fat so... I look thinner.
Anyway, had been doing 3000 cal pretty damn clean, but the idea of eating more (aiming for 4000) clean seems daunting as hell. I don't want to make all 1000 calories processed easy calories and I'd still like to avoid gluten if at all possible, but if it ends up I have to do that... well... guess someone's gonna cave to the ice cream and pop tarts... lol
Any ideas? Anybody out there who bulks/has bulked clean?
What is this "clean" eating you speak of?
there's a reason i put quotes around it. everyone's got a different interpretation, but we all generally know what i mean.
I don't know what that means, that's why I asked So do you wash your foods to get rid of germs and muck? Are there dirty foods? I'm sorry, I have never heard that foods were described this way. Is whey a dirty food because it is processed, how about beef since it is not as lean as turkey does that make it filthy? I suppose bread is dirt as well:( If so does that make my diet unclean? I must be doing something wrong.
you're cool.
Something we agree on.0 -
I don't know what that means, that's why I asked So do you wash your foods to get rid of germs and muck? Are there dirty foods? I'm sorry, I have never heard that foods were described this way. Is whey a dirty food because it is processed, how about beef since it is not as lean as turkey does that make it filthy? I suppose bread is dirt as well:( If so does that make my diet unclean? I must be doing something wrong.
oh.... you're so cute. Unhelpful but cute.
Why thank, but I am being realistic. Too many people get confused by the terms clean and dirty. What is clean to some might not be clean to others.0 -
oh thank you wise one... why didn't i consider using quotes around the word clean for that very purpose...
I don't know what that means, that's why I asked So do you wash your foods to get rid of germs and muck? Are there dirty foods? I'm sorry, I have never heard that foods were described this way. Is whey a dirty food because it is processed, how about beef since it is not as lean as turkey does that make it filthy? I suppose bread is dirt as well:( If so does that make my diet unclean? I must be doing something wrong.
oh.... you're so cute. Unhelpful but cute.
Why thank, but I am being realistic. Too many people get confused by the terms clean and dirty. What is clean to some might not be clean to others.
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Fat dense foods are going to have a lot of calories. Olive oil or grape seed oil add alot.of easy cals. As someone else said, blenders are your friend. Chicken and beef go a long way. You're not very big so I can't imagine your caloric needs being much more than 2500-2800.
nah dude, been doing 3000+ for over a year and while i've gained a little weight (7 pounds), i've dropped significant body fat so i look thinner. i also have been training hard.
i'll need way more than 2500 if i'm gonna see any change.0 -
oh thank you wise one... why didn't i consider using quotes around the word clean for that very purpose...
I don't know what that means, that's why I asked So do you wash your foods to get rid of germs and muck? Are there dirty foods? I'm sorry, I have never heard that foods were described this way. Is whey a dirty food because it is processed, how about beef since it is not as lean as turkey does that make it filthy? I suppose bread is dirt as well:( If so does that make my diet unclean? I must be doing something wrong.
oh.... you're so cute. Unhelpful but cute.
Why thank, but I am being realistic. Too many people get confused by the terms clean and dirty. What is clean to some might not be clean to others.
wait... a... minute...
May I ask what is with the underlying sarcastic insults? Are too insecure to provide a counterargument? Did I just destroy your "clean" paradigm?
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oh thank you wise one... why didn't i consider using quotes around the word clean for that very purpose...
I don't know what that means, that's why I asked So do you wash your foods to get rid of germs and muck? Are there dirty foods? I'm sorry, I have never heard that foods were described this way. Is whey a dirty food because it is processed, how about beef since it is not as lean as turkey does that make it filthy? I suppose bread is dirt as well:( If so does that make my diet unclean? I must be doing something wrong.
oh.... you're so cute. Unhelpful but cute.
Why thank, but I am being realistic. Too many people get confused by the terms clean and dirty. What is clean to some might not be clean to others.
wait... a... minute...
May I ask what is with the underlying sarcastic insults? Are too insecure to provide a counterargument? Did I just destroy your "clean" paradigm?
wait... a... minute...
really? you've been nothing but sarcastic in this thread since the get go. i recognize that clean means different things to different people and have said as much.
i appreciate the responses from folks who were actually interested in helping. thanks y'all!0 -
No way dude. You must be confusing net calories with total consumed calories. If you are getting a daily net calorie intake of more than 2800 calories and not gaining weight, then you are are counting WAY wrong. In other words, you need 2800 calories surplus. You eat 2800 if you do nothing all day. If you do heavy activities or exercise worth, let's say 700calories, then you'd need to eat 3500 cals worth of food. I haven't looked at your profile but I'm assuming you're 5'10ish and maybe 175-180 lbs. If I'm wrong, correct me.0
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No way dude. You must be confusing net calories with total consumed calories. If you are getting a daily net calorie intake of more than 2800 calories and not gaining weight, then you are are counting WAY wrong. In other words, you need 2800 calories surplus. You eat 2800 if you do nothing all day. If you do heavy activities or exercise worth, let's say 700calories, then you'd need to eat 3500 cals worth of food. I haven't looked at your profile but I'm assuming you're 5'10ish and maybe 175-180 lbs. If I'm wrong, correct me.
totally sorry misinterpreted what you were saying.
i'm actually even smaller than that, haha, but the issue like I mentioned earlier is that I don't know my TDEE because calculators significantly underestimate it. If my TDEE sans workout is 2200 like most say, and I'm eating 3000, and I rarely burn even close 800 calories working out, you'd expect a gain right? at least a slow gain? But it wasn't till I bumped up to 3,500 last year that I started gaining at ALL.0 -
Did you really eat bacon grease for dinner?0
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Did you really eat bacon grease for dinner?
i save my bacon drippings and use them as cooking oil. used it to coat my homemade sweet potato fries0 -
Did you really eat bacon grease for dinner?
i save my bacon drippings and use them as cooking oil. used it to coat my homemade sweet potato fries
Not quite as fun as when I pictured you spooning it into your mouth, but still sounds delicious.0 -
Natural peanut butter, whole raw almonds, and raw unsalted dry roasted peanuts are all whole, healthy, and even cheap sources of calories for me.0
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Collagen shots. Go the cosmetic route.0
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No way dude. You must be confusing net calories with total consumed calories. If you are getting a daily net calorie intake of more than 2800 calories and not gaining weight, then you are are counting WAY wrong. In other words, you need 2800 calories surplus. You eat 2800 if you do nothing all day. If you do heavy activities or exercise worth, let's say 700calories, then you'd need to eat 3500 cals worth of food. I haven't looked at your profile but I'm assuming you're 5'10ish and maybe 175-180 lbs. If I'm wrong, correct me.
totally sorry misinterpreted what you were saying.
i'm actually even smaller than that, haha, but the issue like I mentioned earlier is that I don't know my TDEE because calculators significantly underestimate it. If my TDEE sans workout is 2200 like most say, and I'm eating 3000, and I rarely burn even close 800 calories working out, you'd expect a gain right? at least a slow gain? But it wasn't till I bumped up to 3,500 last year that I started gaining at ALL.
I'm still learning, myself. But no calculators are going to fit everyone. Just start somewhere and adjust. Use measurements and mirrors. Not scales. Remember its no short process. So don't get frustrated by expecting daily changes.0 -
Avocados, Olives, olive oil, coconuts, coconut oil, nuts (almonds, pecans, walnuts, cashews, etc.), and seeds (hemp, flax, sesame, pumpkin etc.), raw honey, elk, bison and organic chicken or turkey0
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Avocados, Olives, olive oil, coconuts, coconut oil, nuts (almonds, pecans, walnuts, cashews, etc.), and seeds (hemp, flax, sesame, pumpkin etc.), raw honey, elk, bison and organic chicken or turkey
All those are great sources. For bulking I got 50/50 on the calories that come from Carbs and Fat. The rest of my calories come from Protein. Sweet Potatoes, Brown Rice, Coconut Oil, and like carb sources are great.0 -
oh yeah brown rice, wild rice, quinoa, amaranth, buckwheat, duck, goose, salmon, tuna, and sardines0
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Thanks guys. Appreciate it.0
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Not sure if serious....
This seems more like a hey look at me, I gained muscle and lost fat all by eating clean, take that you IIFYM poo poo heads, thread moreso than anything.0 -
avacado, olive oil, nuts, rice, oats, that kinda stuff is great.
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Not sure if serious....
This seems more like a hey look at me, I gained muscle and lost fat all by eating clean, take that you IIFYM poo poo heads, thread moreso than anything.
Lol really? Actually its an "I had a meeting with my agent who told me to gain weight and I thought that's what I'd been doing over the last year but apparently even though I've gained weight I look skinnier so I'm trying to figure out how to fix that" thread, so I came here to get advice and opinions other than mine. Sorry you felt I had an ulterior motive... I didnt and don't.0 -
avacado, olive oil, nuts, rice, oats, that kinda stuff is great.
Good stuff. Thanks.
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You're an actor? Try Eating for Beauty by David Wolfe. I'm currently reading it.0
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You're an actor? Try Eating for Beauty by David Wolfe. I'm currently reading it.
Just checked it out on amazon. That's fascinating. Thanks for the recommendation!0 -
You need these supplement along with your diet:
Remember: bad hygeine kills your gains.0 -
fat...0
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There are some pretty good weight gainers out there. You can check out http://www.amazon.com/Optimum-Nutrition-Complex-Gainer-Chocolate/dp/B0015R3A1S
Good gainers are pretty well blended to fit macros. It is probably easier and tastier than some of the other options.0 -
What do your workouts even consist of?0
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Bacon :blushing:0
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Two servings of peanut butter could potentially have you up to extra 450-500 cals ... (4 tablespoons) ... could put it in a shake or eat it w/ fruit or veggies depending on your carb timing.0
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