I never understood why ppl go for "lean protein"

Math.

25% of calories from protein used for digestion.
10% from carbs.
5% from fat.

Fat: 1 gram = 9 calories
Protein: 1 gram = 4 calories
Carbohydrates: 1 gram = 4 calories
Alcohol: 1 gram = 7 calories

lets be real, if you eat a porterhouse everyday, with a TON of fat, and you are still eating under the calories, you are good,

i always see ppl saying "im bored of chiecken or board of x,y,z"

yeah im a have an angus burger with bacon on the side, while you have your healthy "lean protein, that is low fat"

inb4 you disagree with this logical argument.

lolerz.

you enjoy your terrible omega 6 to 3 ratio!

you enjoy your terrible omega 6 to 3 ratio!

Oh yeah! That's another thing about animal fat. It's the only fat that has omega-3 in the configuration that has been shown to be beneficial in the body. The omega-3 in those darn flax seeds is not the same, and our bodies do not convert it. That's what the bacteria in the stomach of a cow or a buffalo do.

you couldn't be more wrong regarding the meat and animal fat MOST people eat.

the only animal fats that have good levels of omega 3's are fish, and the meat from GRASS FED, FREE RANGE cattle/poultry etc etc. animals raised in feedlots have significantly higher levels of omega 6s and contribute to raising our cholesterol and heart attack rates. in other words, that angus burger is much worse for your omega levels than the lean protein.

Cholesterol.

Cholesterol from animal does not affect your cholesterol as much as you think it does. Your body produces way more cholesterol than you probably consume.

There is a difference in good and bad cholesterol:

Animal fat = bad cholesterol LDL
Avocados or olive oil = good cholesterol. HDL

Actually animal fats raise HDL the most and if your replace saturated fat from animal sources with avocado and olive oil HDL levels are reduced.

There are healthy fats and unhealthy fats. The fat in red meat is the unhealthy kind. I've done a lot of research into nutrition; it's an avid interest, so this is an informed opinion.

Even with seeking out lean proteins, I go over on my fat macro (set at 30) about half the time because of nuts. But at least that's a healthy fat.

you enjoy your terrible omega 6 to 3 ratio!

Oh yeah! That's another thing about animal fat. It's the only fat that has omega-3 in the configuration that has been shown to be beneficial in the body. The omega-3 in those darn flax seeds is not the same, and our bodies do not convert it. That's what the bacteria in the stomach of a cow or a buffalo do.

you couldn't be more wrong regarding the meat and animal fat MOST people eat.

the only animal fats that have good levels of omega 3's are fish, and the meat from GRASS FED, FREE RANGE cattle/poultry etc etc. animals raised in feedlots have significantly higher levels of omega 6s and contribute to raising our cholesterol and heart attack rates. in other words, that angus burger is much worse for your omega levels than the lean protein.

Wrong again.

nope.

Considering beef has insignificant amounts of polyunsaturated fats to begin with how would the significant higher levels contribute to cholesterol considering omegas don't have cholesterol and with feed lot compared to grass fed being almost the same omega balance at anywhere from 2:1 to 4:1how would this somehow have significantly higher levels when their the same and contribute to heart disease?

"Grass-fed beef is also higher in B-vitamins, beta-carotene (look for yellow fat), vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol), vitamin K, and trace minerals like magnesium, calcium, and selenium. Studies show grass feeding results in higher levels of conjugated linoleic acid, the “good” naturally occurring trans fat."

Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-differences-between-grass-fed-beef-and-grain-fed-beef/#ixzz2NdqG4KKb

"The results were impressive. Grass-finished eaters saw improved plasma and platelet fatty acid composition: less omega-6, more omega-3. This would presumably lead to a more balanced inflammatory response and, thus, better health."

"This makes me wonder whether simply breaking food down into its various nutrients and fatty acids is missing the point. If you relied on that, you’d think grain-fed beef was essentially identical to grass-fed, but it’s clearly not, as the results of this study show. Maybe it’s the DPA, an often-ignored omega-3 fat that’s prominent in seal blubber and converts more readily to DHA, and that was increased in the grass-finished group. Maybe, and probably more likely, it’s the fact that omega-6 intake, especially linoleic acid (arachidonic acid intake was actually higher in grass-finished), was significantly higher in the grain-fed group than in the grass-finished group, about 8.5 g/day to 5.5 g/day. Or maybe it’s the fact that grass-finished animal flesh is a complex whole food that offers more benefits than can heretofore be identified and explained."

Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/monday-musings-new-grass-fed-study/#ixzz2Ndr7RSsU

Love my Ribeye!

Oh yes, me too :drinker:

you enjoy your terrible omega 6 to 3 ratio!

Oh yeah! That's another thing about animal fat. It's the only fat that has omega-3 in the configuration that has been shown to be beneficial in the body. The omega-3 in those darn flax seeds is not the same, and our bodies do not convert it. That's what the bacteria in the stomach of a cow or a buffalo do.

you couldn't be more wrong regarding the meat and animal fat MOST people eat.

the only animal fats that have good levels of omega 3's are fish, and the meat from GRASS FED, FREE RANGE cattle/poultry etc etc. animals raised in feedlots have significantly higher levels of omega 6s and contribute to raising our cholesterol and heart attack rates. in other words, that angus burger is much worse for your omega levels than the lean protein.

Wrong again.

nope.

Considering beef has insignificant amounts of polyunsaturated fats to begin with how would the significant higher levels contribute to cholesterol considering omegas don't have cholesterol and with feed lot compared to grass fed being almost the same omega balance at anywhere from 2:1 to 4:1how would this somehow have significantly higher levels when their the same and contribute to heart disease?

"Grass-fed beef is also higher in B-vitamins, beta-carotene (look for yellow fat), vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol), vitamin K, and trace minerals like magnesium, calcium, and selenium. Studies show grass feeding results in higher levels of conjugated linoleic acid, the “good” naturally occurring trans fat."

Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-differences-between-grass-fed-beef-and-grain-fed-beef/#ixzz2NdqG4KKb

"The results were impressive. Grass-finished eaters saw improved plasma and platelet fatty acid composition: less omega-6, more omega-3. This would presumably lead to a more balanced inflammatory response and, thus, better health."

"This makes me wonder whether simply breaking food down into its various nutrients and fatty acids is missing the point. If you relied on that, you’d think grain-fed beef was essentially identical to grass-fed, but it’s clearly not, as the results of this study show. Maybe it’s the DPA, an often-ignored omega-3 fat that’s prominent in seal blubber and converts more readily to DHA, and that was increased in the grass-finished group. Maybe, and probably more likely, it’s the fact that omega-6 intake, especially linoleic acid (arachidonic acid intake was actually higher in grass-finished), was significantly higher in the grain-fed group than in the grass-finished group, about 8.5 g/day to 5.5 g/day. Or maybe it’s the fact that grass-finished animal flesh is a complex whole food that offers more benefits than can heretofore be identified and explained."

Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/monday-musings-new-grass-fed-study/#ixzz2Ndr7RSsU

lol.........yes grass fed is better beef overall. yoy. I was referring to the your sensational statement that feedlot beef have substantially more omega 6's, when in fact 100g's of feedlot flank steak has 47mg's of omega 6's which is almost non existent and an omega balance of 2:1 which is not too bad I would say. Wild Bison for example has 110mg's of omega 6's and 30mg's of omega 3's so a balance of 3:1, a worse profile than the feedlot flank. Again if you want to pick on omega 6's and omega balance why not get in the grill of people consuming peanut butter where 2 tbsps has 4400mg's of omega 6's and an omega balance of 183:1.

because this is a thread about lean protein?

you enjoy your terrible omega 6 to 3 ratio!

Oh yeah! That's another thing about animal fat. It's the only fat that has omega-3 in the configuration that has been shown to be beneficial in the body. The omega-3 in those darn flax seeds is not the same, and our bodies do not convert it. That's what the bacteria in the stomach of a cow or a buffalo do.

you couldn't be more wrong regarding the meat and animal fat MOST people eat.

the only animal fats that have good levels of omega 3's are fish, and the meat from GRASS FED, FREE RANGE cattle/poultry etc etc. animals raised in feedlots have significantly higher levels of omega 6s and contribute to raising our cholesterol and heart attack rates. in other words, that angus burger is much worse for your omega levels than the lean protein.

Wrong again.

nope.

Considering beef has insignificant amounts of polyunsaturated fats to begin with how would the significant higher levels contribute to cholesterol considering omegas don't have cholesterol and with feed lot compared to grass fed being almost the same omega balance at anywhere from 2:1 to 4:1how would this somehow have significantly higher levels when their the same and contribute to heart disease?

"Grass-fed beef is also higher in B-vitamins, beta-carotene (look for yellow fat), vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol), vitamin K, and trace minerals like magnesium, calcium, and selenium. Studies show grass feeding results in higher levels of conjugated linoleic acid, the “good” naturally occurring trans fat."

Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-differences-between-grass-fed-beef-and-grain-fed-beef/#ixzz2NdqG4KKb

"The results were impressive. Grass-finished eaters saw improved plasma and platelet fatty acid composition: less omega-6, more omega-3. This would presumably lead to a more balanced inflammatory response and, thus, better health."

"This makes me wonder whether simply breaking food down into its various nutrients and fatty acids is missing the point. If you relied on that, you’d think grain-fed beef was essentially identical to grass-fed, but it’s clearly not, as the results of this study show. Maybe it’s the DPA, an often-ignored omega-3 fat that’s prominent in seal blubber and converts more readily to DHA, and that was increased in the grass-finished group. Maybe, and probably more likely, it’s the fact that omega-6 intake, especially linoleic acid (arachidonic acid intake was actually higher in grass-finished), was significantly higher in the grain-fed group than in the grass-finished group, about 8.5 g/day to 5.5 g/day. Or maybe it’s the fact that grass-finished animal flesh is a complex whole food that offers more benefits than can heretofore be identified and explained."

Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/monday-musings-new-grass-fed-study/#ixzz2Ndr7RSsU

lol.........yes grass fed is better beef overall. yoy. I was referring to the your sensational statement that feedlot beef have substantially more omega 6's, when in fact 100g's of feedlot flank steak has 47mg's of omega 6's which is almost non existent and an omega balance of 2:1 which is not too bad I would say. Wild Bison for example has 110mg's of omega 6's and 30mg's of omega 3's so a balance of 3:1, a worse profile than the feedlot flank. Again if you want to pick on omega 6's and omega balance why not get in the grill of people consuming peanut butter where 2 tbsps has 4400mg's of omega 6's and an omega balance of 183:1.

because this is a thread about lean protein?

Of course it is, and we certainly don't want to derail it, lol.

you enjoy your terrible omega 6 to 3 ratio!

Oh yeah! That's another thing about animal fat. It's the only fat that has omega-3 in the configuration that has been shown to be beneficial in the body. The omega-3 in those darn flax seeds is not the same, and our bodies do not convert it. That's what the bacteria in the stomach of a cow or a buffalo do.

you couldn't be more wrong regarding the meat and animal fat MOST people eat.

the only animal fats that have good levels of omega 3's are fish, and the meat from GRASS FED, FREE RANGE cattle/poultry etc etc. animals raised in feedlots have significantly higher levels of omega 6s and contribute to raising our cholesterol and heart attack rates. in other words, that angus burger is much worse for your omega levels than the lean protein.

Wrong again.

nope.

Considering beef has insignificant amounts of polyunsaturated fats to begin with how would the significant higher levels contribute to cholesterol considering omegas don't have cholesterol and with feed lot compared to grass fed being almost the same omega balance at anywhere from 2:1 to 4:1how would this somehow have significantly higher levels when their the same and contribute to heart disease?

"Grass-fed beef is also higher in B-vitamins, beta-carotene (look for yellow fat), vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol), vitamin K, and trace minerals like magnesium, calcium, and selenium. Studies show grass feeding results in higher levels of conjugated linoleic acid, the “good” naturally occurring trans fat."

Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-differences-between-grass-fed-beef-and-grain-fed-beef/#ixzz2NdqG4KKb

"The results were impressive. Grass-finished eaters saw improved plasma and platelet fatty acid composition: less omega-6, more omega-3. This would presumably lead to a more balanced inflammatory response and, thus, better health."

"This makes me wonder whether simply breaking food down into its various nutrients and fatty acids is missing the point. If you relied on that, you’d think grain-fed beef was essentially identical to grass-fed, but it’s clearly not, as the results of this study show. Maybe it’s the DPA, an often-ignored omega-3 fat that’s prominent in seal blubber and converts more readily to DHA, and that was increased in the grass-finished group. Maybe, and probably more likely, it’s the fact that omega-6 intake, especially linoleic acid (arachidonic acid intake was actually higher in grass-finished), was significantly higher in the grain-fed group than in the grass-finished group, about 8.5 g/day to 5.5 g/day. Or maybe it’s the fact that grass-finished animal flesh is a complex whole food that offers more benefits than can heretofore be identified and explained."

Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/monday-musings-new-grass-fed-study/#ixzz2Ndr7RSsU

lol.........yes grass fed is better beef overall. yoy. I was referring to the your sensational statement that feedlot beef have substantially more omega 6's, when in fact 100g's of feedlot flank steak has 47mg's of omega 6's which is almost non existent and an omega balance of 2:1 which is not too bad I would say. Wild Bison for example has 110mg's of omega 6's and 30mg's of omega 3's so a balance of 3:1, a worse profile than the feedlot flank. Again if you want to pick on omega 6's and omega balance why not get in the grill of people consuming peanut butter where 2 tbsps has 4400mg's of omega 6's and an omega balance of 183:1.

because this is a thread about lean protein?

Of course it is, and we certainly don't want to derail it, lol.

glad you agree.

Cholesterol.

Cholesterol from animal does not affect your cholesterol as much as you think it does. Your body produces way more cholesterol than you probably consume.

Um--this varies a great deal from person to person--some can control their cholesterol levels strictly via diet while others need medication cause they make too much no matter ho much they eat.

As to the original question: I love a nice juicy steak. I also love natural peanut butter which is loaded with fat--but the good kind! For me, it's all about variety--some chicken, some red meat, some fish/seafood, some vegetarian meals!

I don't eat red meat at all for medical reasons. I am not avoiding it because of fat but more so because I don't want to become violently ill. I will stick to poultry and seafood (pork on rare occasions).

I trim all the fat off my steaks, pork chops & chicken because I can't stand the texture, has nothing to do whether I think it is good or bad to eat.
I will pound sausage & bacon like there's no end in sight. But I'll trim the slightest little sliver of fat off a steak cause it's just gros to me.