Grounds for Dismissal?

If you're going to be that judgemental, then it probably is time to find that PERFECT trainer for you. After all, the ground you walk on is hallowed.

JFC.... did he say he was doing the Master Cleanse or something? You know, there's nothing wrong with doing a cleanse depending on the protocol. He could drink water for 24 hours, and yes, he would purge toxins. Everyone thinks everything is a cleanse nowadays and the info you gave us leaves out a lot of details.

Also, let me just say, I looked at your breakfast yesterday...... how in the hell is someone the devil for mentioning a cleanse and you're taking every synthetic supplement from Walmart? :laugh:

Gulping down chocolate casein protein shakes is the enlightened path now? MFP is a wild place.

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

I run or do the elliptical for 3 miles or more 5x a week, do a spinning class for 55 minutes 3x a week, row on the rowing machine for 10 minutes 4 or 5x a week, and do 3 to 4 days of strength training for 30 minutes to an hour a week. Just had a personal trainer at the gym tell me that someone my size, I'm 5'2" and 130 lbs, shouldn't be eating more than 1200 calories a day, even though he knows my workout schedule. I wanted to cry. Really. Came here and asked some questions about it and now I know that I probably shouldn't even ask him the time of day. It's a shame because people really put stock into what they say. I really think to be a personal trainer they should have some knowledge about nutrition. Apparently not all of them do.:frown:

I have been training with my coach for the past 2 1/2 years - when it comes to nutrition and strength and conditioning he is one of the smartest people I know, and as my pals will tell you I pretty much worship the ground he walks on.

He is forever searching / training to find the best for his clients and has helped me more than I can put in words.....

He is starting a 5 day cleanse on Monday - and here is a few reasons he is doing it:

1) Some of his clients have come to him and asked him what he thinks of it - he feels that unless he has tried it himself he should not be giving his advice / opinion to them
2) There are times when the right type of cleanse might be appropriate - it is (and should never be seen as) a "quick fix", but when people's diet has been really bad it is one of the ways to slide them into a better healthier way of life....
3) Because he is really well respected in the industry the company that is selling it has asked him to trial it, and give them feedback on how they can make it a better product (he is not getting paid for "selling" it) - he is just giving them advice...... one of the things he has already identified is that they are using agave syrup in the mistaken belief that it is healthy, so that will be worked into future formulations...

He knows it is going to be tough - but I take my hat off to him for giving it a go.....

So - in the end of the day it is not always just "idiots" that does this type of thing.....

Sounds as if the guy is not trying to force you into trying it - buying it - in the end of the day it is his choice....his life

Everyone and anyone can be a trainer nowadays it seems. But I don't believe that trainers usually have any nutritional training and what not. If you think his fitness advice is good, then just stick to talking to him about that and don't take any nutritional advice from him. Or find a new trainer that you trust.

^this...he's a trainer, not a dietician. I would take his fitness advice, and politely ignore any dietary advice.

A friend of mine did PT training and pilates training at the most expensive gym in the area I live. I looked at the prerequisites and the intellectual level is that of the average 15 y/o imo.

But, maybe I'm an elitist snob...

Also, the people who assess are completely unregulated and seem to fail or pass you on a whim.

If you're going to be that judgemental, then it probably is time to find that PERFECT trainer for you. After all, the ground you walk on is hallowed.

JFC.... did he say he was doing the Master Cleanse or something? You know, there's nothing wrong with doing a cleanse depending on the protocol. He could drink water for 24 hours, and yes, he would purge toxins. Everyone thinks everything is a cleanse nowadays and the info you gave us leaves out a lot of details.

Also, let me just say, I looked at your breakfast yesterday...... how in the hell is someone the devil for mentioning a cleanse and you're taking every synthetic supplement from Walmart? :laugh:

Gulping down chocolate casein protein shakes is the enlightened path now? MFP is a wild place.

Thank you so much for your constructive response. I always thought there were major organs for cleansing toxins, I must be nuts. Also, thank you for commenting on my diet, I'll follow yours, sounds like you are perfect.

Some people do that, and that is your trainer's personal belief. It makes him feel good. He didnt tell you to do it so why does it matter. You do sound narrow minded and also, butthurt

You go to him for weight training, not nutritional advice. If you are happy with the weight training, then what does what he decides to eat have to do with it? Unless he tries to convince you to do it as well, I see no reason to stop training with him.

I'm with this. If he converts to Judaism would that bother you? Or gets divorced? As long as his training advice is solid I wouldn't look too deeply at all the other things that don't concern me. Even if he suggested you do one but doesn't force it or try to sell you a product it still wouldn't bother me.

another awesome,awesome reason to not workout in a gym.

If you're going to be that judgemental, then it probably is time to find that PERFECT trainer for you. After all, the ground you walk on is hallowed.

JFC.... did he say he was doing the Master Cleanse or something? You know, there's nothing wrong with doing a cleanse depending on the protocol. He could drink water for 24 hours, and yes, he would purge toxins. Everyone thinks everything is a cleanse nowadays and the info you gave us leaves out a lot of details.

Also, let me just say, I looked at your breakfast yesterday...... how in the hell is someone the devil for mentioning a cleanse and you're taking every synthetic supplement from Walmart? :laugh:

Gulping down chocolate casein protein shakes is the enlightened path now? MFP is a wild place.

I'm just going to leave this here.



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First off, I think if you "sort of" like the advice he is giving you, then something is wrong for you. That should be the first flag...for that I would say...time to interview other trainers who have more experience, better credentials, educational degrees, time in practice and clientel. Ask for recommendations and discuss what YOU expect from them. This is your time, money and health.

Secondly, I think they may have just decided to bring up the topic of cleansing as an avenue of conversation. Unless your trainer is a doctor, physical therapist, certified nutritionist, or any other "medical" type degree, all advise should be taken strictly as conversation.

There are many certifications for personal trainers, one big one to look for is NASM certification. This is minimal, but has detailed training on muscular/skeletal/neurological systems and how they work together. This helps when identifying developmental deficiencies in form or strides.

Good luck and when you do find that one great trainer...keep them.

LA Fitness trainers are required to have some sort of a certification to be a personal trainer. However, you can obtain a certification by simply taking a test.

Personal trainers are by LAW not permitted to give nutritional advice. They can make suggestions, and comment on what they do, but are not allowed to say "eat this or don't eat that".

If you're worried about your trainer's certifications, most gyms will give you the certification information if you ask. Look for a certification beyond letters (NESTA, ACSM, COOPER, NASM). Look for some sort of schooling with a degree in exercise physiology or kinesiology.

If you're seeing results with your trainer, don't abandon him because his nutritional beliefs are slightly skewed - everyone has different ideas of what a "cleanse" is. If you're not seeing the results you want, look for a new trainer with a degree, not just a certification!

Source: Hubby is a personal trainer with a degree in exercise physiology with a focus in kinesiology, special populations (special needs i.e. autism, multiple sclerosis, etc.), and general weight loss.

Hope this helps! Good luck!

I have MS and would LOVE to talk with someone who is familiar with my illness and also knows about exercise and nutrition. Can't seem to find anyone in my area who can help me.:frown:

On the chance that you're in Seattle, PM me and I'll be happy to hook you up with someone who may be able to help you. There are several I know of in the area

I wish I could take you up on that offer but I'm in Ohio!

Holy cannoli, yes.

Stuff like that is why I stopped going to yoga classes. I just couldn't accept advice on health and fitness from people who believe in energy locks and breathing into your buttocks. Cleanses are even worse.

You never breathed into your buttocks? :noway:

I just did it today in Yoga class. Felt great!! :bigsmile:

If you're worried about your trainer's certifications, most gyms will give you the certification information if you ask. Look for a certification beyond letters (NESTA, ACSM, COOPER, NASM). Look for some sort of schooling with a degree in exercise physiology or kinesiology.

Obviously your response is biased due to your husband's credentials. Good for him for obtaining those, by the way. However, I don't think they are prerequisite to being a great trainer. Certifications are very challenging to obtain these days. They've come along way over the years.

Source: Hubby is a personal trainer with a degree in exercise physiology with a focus in kinesiology, special populations (special needs i.e. autism, multiple sclerosis, etc.), and general weight loss.

Dealing with special populations, however, is a different story and would require more specialized training and education.

I didn't mean to imply that having a degree is a prerequisite to being a great trainer. What I am trying to convey is that someone with NO background can sign up for a NASM course, take the one day class and pass the test. My husband is also NASM certified and experieced this while at a refresher course prior to the test. Unfortunately, when someone decides on a whim to become a personal trainer (happens all the time), they get a course in the basic muscle groups, movements, and exercises, but no course on applying them or programming. This is also not to say everyone with a degree is going to be a "great trainer", however, they will be better versed in programming which lead to greater results.

Also - think you can still do a degree in "homoeopathic medicine" - complete woo and quackery.
So a degree doesn't have to mean you know how things actually work unfortunately; just that you do know 'things' true or not.

That's why I specify to look for someone with a degree in exercise physiology or kinesiology... not any form of quackery