Are my testicles ovaries?

Women do compete against each other, but ask yourself why? It's more than "so I can look better than her."

Personally I think the fact that there are so many "competitive" women is a great example of how such a society has turned us against each other.

The issue I have with this statement isn't that you think women are competitive, it's that you think it's a woman-only issue. Guys are locked in competition with each other as well. Cars, clothes, careers, along with our physiques are things we use to seem more attractive than the guy standing next to us. Hell, if two men enter a restroom at the same time odds are they are trying to piss for a longer time than the guy at the next urinal.

The world is a competitive place for people of every sex/race/ethnicity/religion. I have no sciencey links to back this claim, but I'm fairly sure this existed back in caveman times and before media or culture got blamed for everything.

Blame it on the Rain

Women don't have fat days because we have ovaries, we have fat days because we live in a male-dominated world with rigid beauty ideals that were culturally ingrained into us from birth.

There we go blaming it on men again. I swear, this kind of verbal abuse is almost not even worth making more money on average for the same work. GOD!!

I am going to kindly disagree both with the "male-dominated world" causing fat days, as well as calling that statement "verbal abuse."

In fact, I'm going to say both are a tish extreme... maybe even a bit absurd.

Pickle anyone?

*kitten*. I read you wrong, Brunner *hangs head in shame*

I really do owe you a pickle, now.

You're both missing the point. It's evolution, not media or male dominated society. Women are looking for strong sperm, they're looking for providers of a nest as well as protection from harm. They are looking for strong genetics so their babies don't die. They're looking for a man that will take care of both mother and baby, so the mom can focus on the baby. Simple evolution baby! I agree that in the natural progression of evolution the means in which the female attracts the male has changed, but the underlying factors are the same. Men have fat days because they feel they aren't attactive enough to spawn with a female, same with females, but the REASON as to why we're attracted are the same. Men are here to spread the seed, women are here to nest. If you can't take care of my nest, you won't be spreading your seed.

You could have an xy chromosome, but no androgen receptors and then your body would have developed as a female (female brain and female sexual organs). But, you would not have the internal reproductive system of a woman, and when you hit puberty the testicles that are inside your body would start to grow and become uncomfortable. So, you would go to the doctor and that would be the first time you find out. They would need to remove the testicles or else they will become cancerous if left inside the body. Under these circumstances you would have a vagina (no uterus) and the brain of a female, so you would choose to take female hormones which would allow you to develop breasts and go through puberty as a female. I do know that can happen.

Thanks for clearing that up for meeee!! :laugh:

Women don't have fat days because we have ovaries, we have fat days because we live in a male-dominated world with rigid beauty ideals that were culturally ingrained into us from birth.

First. I know what a straw man argument is.

Second. OK. Fair point. I misread where you were going with tha, and did allow myself to get sidetracked a tad. My original point in bringing it up was to ask ,"What does the world's being male-dominated have to do with it as much as the rest of the points in your original reply?" I was not doing a very good job of organizing my thoughts, because I have way too much to say, and I keep getting interrupted, and I couldn't remember what the heck I had already said, or not. That plus the thread was moving way too quickly,and I was trying to keep up with my fat finger typing. I was lazy and didn't go back and reread your original reply (despite the number of times it has been quoted.. I don't read the quoted texts as much as skim to see what someone is replying to). So, in short, I think I totally screwed up and made a mistake. I thought we were both arguing the same points and are just talking across each other for the most part, with one point that I couldn't get which was why the male-dominated world had to be brought into it as the major factor (which I now know wasn't the case at all.).

I need to go home.

:flowerforyou:

First. I know what a straw man argument is.

Second. OK. Fair point. I misread where you were going with tha, and did allow myself to get sidetracked a tad. My original point in bringing it up was to ask ,"What does the world's being male-dominated have to do with it as much as the rest of the points in your original reply?" I was not doing a very good job of organizing my thoughts, because I have way too much to say, and I keep getting interrupted, and I couldn't remember what the heck I had already said, or not. That plus the thread was moving way too quickly,and I was trying to keep up with my fat finger typing. I was lazy and didn't go back and reread your original reply (despite the number of times it has been quoted.. I don't read the quoted texts as much as skim to see what someone is replying to). So, in short, I think I totally screwed up and made a mistake. I thought we were both arguing the same points and are just talking across each other for the most part, with one point that I couldn't get which was why the male-dominated world had to be brought into it as the major factor (which I now know wasn't the case at all.).

I need to go home.

:flowerforyou:

C'mere you!

Women don't have fat days because we have ovaries, we have fat days because we live in a male-dominated world with rigid beauty ideals that were culturally ingrained into us from birth.

Women don't have fat days because we have ovaries, we have fat days because we live in a male-dominated world with rigid beauty ideals that were culturally ingrained into us from birth.

owned.

I'm still not convinced that it is necessarily the male-dominated portion of society that drives this. I agree with the poster that said women (and girls) do a lot of the things they do for other women (or girls) sake. They do things that most guys would never even notice, but women do.

For example, eyebrows. Why do women spend so much time plucking their eyebrows, or removing them and painting on new ones? I do not know of any guy who has ever looked over a woman as a potential mate and said.. "Check out her eyebrows. She is the girl for me." The same can be said for fashion items. I work with mostly women, and I was surprised the first time I heard someone say, "did you see those shoes she was wearing?" in a snarky way. I had never even looked at the woman's feet, and was about to say something thinking it was joke, when all the other girls started sniping as well. That leads me to believe that the women will comply with the fashion of the day to avoid being sniped by their fellow women behind their back or in front of them.



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I understand where you're coming from, but you're missing the point.

No, men probably don't examine a woman's eyebrows or notice if her outfit doesn't look quite right, but the fact that women feel the need to compete with each other suggests a huge underlying issue. This is the cultural indoctrination I'm talking about.

In my original post I said we live in a "male dominated society." What I DIDN'T say is that women don't pressure each other, and that rigid beauty ideals are all down to the power of men. You read 3 words of my sentence and now you're presenting me with a bit of a straw man argument.

I actually read your entire argument. I agreed with much of it. As I stated in at least one of my replies, much of the impetus and the standards that are setup are completely communicated through the media which is one of the largest establishers of our culture. The one I didn't mention because it is inflammatory is our public eduation system. I won't get into that as it is even further off topic than this has already become.

What I am saying is that I just am not sure that I agree that the male-dominated society is the major contributor. I never said it wasn't a contributor. There is a lot of evidence that shows, as someone else pointed out, that women compete amongst other women for the sperm of the alpha-male. That is biologically driven, and makes sense in the propgation of the gametes in future generations, which from a biological perspecticve is the purpose of everything. In sociobiology, there is an entire field that deals wiht the evolution of sexual behavior. These behaviors are not seen only in humans. I know I am not being complete or very clear in my arguments, because I could fill an entire page on the subject, and I don't want to do that. In the attempt at brevity, I am losing a lot of what I want to say. It's a very complex issue, and deserves a thread of its own to do it justice.

You're both missing the point. It's evolution, not media or male dominated society. Women are looking for strong sperm, they're looking for providers of a nest as well as protection from harm. They are looking for strong genetics so their babies don't die. They're looking for a man that will take care of both mother and baby, so the mom can focus on the baby. Simple evolution baby! I agree that in the natural progression of evolution the means in which the female attracts the male has changed, but the underlying factors are the same. Men have fat days because they feel they aren't attactive enough to spawn with a female, same with females, but the REASON as to why we're attracted are the same. Men are here to spread the seed, women are here to nest. If you can't take care of my nest, you won't be spreading your seed.

Women don't have fat days because we have ovaries, we have fat days because we live in a male-dominated world with rigid beauty ideals that were culturally ingrained into us from birth.

Women don't have fat days because we have ovaries, we have fat days because we live in a male-dominated world with rigid beauty ideals that were culturally ingrained into us from birth.