Confused, re: 'How Much to Exercise'
ATXrunner
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Hello all,
Recently, Jillian Michaels sent out a newsletter on the recommended amount of daily exercise (http://www.jillianmichaels.com/fitness-and-diet-tips/how-much-to-exercise) for weight loss. She supports the WHO recommendation of 60 minutes, yet most of her recent videos (except 'Boost Metabolism' and 'Trouble Zones') are around 30 minutes, including warm-up and cool-down. Even her infamous 30 Day Shred is only 20 minutes per level.
Does this mean that 20-30 minutes of high intensity interval training (HIIT) is comparable to 60 minutes of an easier workout? I feel like the more I read on how much to exercise, the more I find conflicting information, even from the same sources. Suggestions?
Thanks!
Recently, Jillian Michaels sent out a newsletter on the recommended amount of daily exercise (http://www.jillianmichaels.com/fitness-and-diet-tips/how-much-to-exercise) for weight loss. She supports the WHO recommendation of 60 minutes, yet most of her recent videos (except 'Boost Metabolism' and 'Trouble Zones') are around 30 minutes, including warm-up and cool-down. Even her infamous 30 Day Shred is only 20 minutes per level.
Does this mean that 20-30 minutes of high intensity interval training (HIIT) is comparable to 60 minutes of an easier workout? I feel like the more I read on how much to exercise, the more I find conflicting information, even from the same sources. Suggestions?
Thanks!
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Hello all,
Recently, Jillian Michaels sent out a newsletter on the recommended amount of daily exercise (http://www.jillianmichaels.com/fitness-and-diet-tips/how-much-to-exercise) for weight loss. She supports the WHO recommendation of 60 minutes, yet most of her recent videos (except 'Boost Metabolism' and 'Trouble Zones') are around 30 minutes, including warm-up and cool-down. Even her infamous 30 Day Shred is only 20 minutes per level.
Does this mean that 20-30 minutes of high intensity interval training (HIIT) is comparable to 60 minutes of an easier workout? I feel like the more I read on how much to exercise, the more I find conflicting information, even from the same sources. Suggestions?
Thanks!
essentially yes.0 -
I would say that 30 min. of HIIT is worth about 1.5 to 2 hours of working out at a lower intensity, myself.
There is a scientific study where they had rats (or maybe it was mice - some sort of rodent, anyway :laugh:) exercise intensely -- to the point of puking intensity -- for 6 min. a day and another set exercised for 2 hours a day. At the end of the study, the musculature of the two groups was the same.
Of course, most of us can't or won't work out that intensely. Our brains won't let us. But it's the same principle. Doing high intensity work in short bursts is a very efficient way to work your muscles.
As for these recommendations and their apparently contradictions -- they are purposely generic because they are for "everybody". Plus, the recommendations change based on the goals of the group. If it's a group concerned with heart health, they'll make recommendations based on maximizing your cardiac conditioning. If the group is concerned with obesity, they'll be emphasizing fat loss. If it's an overall health group (like WHO), they are considering a lot of different factors but also a much wider audience from developing nations to industrial nations. If it's a business like Dr. Oz, Denise Austin or Jillian Michaels, it's about what makes them $$$.
It's better to look at the research that fueled the recommendations and come to your own conclusions IMO.0 -
No, it means that 60 min videos don't sell as well as 30 minute videos.
If you are expecting any actual "expertise" from Jillian Michaels, you are going to be waiting for an awfully long time.
30 day shred is NOT a HIT workout, not by any stretch of the imagination.
The main reason why you see "conflicting reports" is that there is no single answer that is best for all individuals. The second reason is that much of the information you find, either on the internet or is the media, is geared towards self-promotion, not instruction.
There is research that suggests that, for certain individuals, following a HIT or HIIT type routine results is a higher rate of fat loss per unit time--probably due to a greater "afterburn" effect. So far, the studies I have seen have looked at pretty strenuous workouts over a relatively short period of time. I haven't seen anything that looks at a long-term effect, either for effectiveness or compliance. The studies have not really looked that much into overall fitness or performance gains.
My experience is not conclusive and may not even be relevant, but I have been trying to include some HIIT type workouts and "metabolic" workouts in my routine for the past 6 months or so. I enjoy them, but I am not sure they would be effective for me as the major part of my routine. Maybe it's my age (56), I don't know. I recently went through a 2-3 week stretch at work where a special project ramped up my hours to 60-70 per week. Since I didn't have as much time, I did basically HIIT workouts 3x/wk to compensate. It is now 10 days after I resumed me regular routine and I am barely within 80-85% of my "pre-HIIT" workout performance. It's like I took those 2-3 weeks off completely. Like I said, not conclusive by any means, but interesting.
A huge number of people have been very successful losing weight on a "traditional" program of, say, 4-6 cardio sessions, 40-60 min each with a couple of strength training sessions per week.
There is research that suggests that the same person responds differently to a diet/exercise program if they are at 30%-40% body fat than if they are at 20%-25%. So what might be right for a person at the beginning of a program may no longer be as effective 6-12 months down the road.
Not everyone can do high-intensity work. Some people who chase fitness trends THINK they are doing HIT or HIIT, but just end up doing less exercise, but not getting the same quality or workout.
So there is no one definitive answer. I would say that, in general, beginners, less fit individuals, more overweight individuals will benefit the most from a "traditional", higher-volume aerobic/strength/low-calorie diet routine. As one becomes more fit and reduces body fat, one will likely see better continued results by including more HIT and HIIT type routines, with a much lower calorie deficit.0 -
Wow, thanks for the valuable feedback! I appreciate your input and will be sure to take this new info into consideration when planning the next stage of my workout efforts.
Thanks! :flowerforyou:0 -
Your personal experiences are interesting Azdak because they are the opposite of mine. I am in my 50s also and have limited training time. Before I got injured, I was doing a lot of metcon and strength/conditioning and less of the LSD - long, steady, distance (i.e., cardio) that is typical of an endurance athlete. I found I was getting fitter faster than my peers who did a lot of lower intensity stuff for longer period of times.
But I wasn't doing Jillian Michael's shred! I was doing Crossfit, swinging kettlebells, and doing other HIT -- the kind of stuff that makes you think you might have to puke after. :laugh:
Right now I'm injured so I'm doing a lot of LSD and no intervals and (almost) no tempo work and I can feel that I'm getting slower. I am only maintaining my fitness and not pushing it to the next level either. Plus it takes *forever*. Last week I did a 7 hour bike ride. I'd much rather do a 4 hour bike ride and 1 hour of intervals than spend my whole Sat. doing one workout!0 -
Your personal experiences are interesting Azdak because they are the opposite of mine. I am in my 50s also and have limited training time. Before I got injured, I was doing a lot of metcon and strength/conditioning and less of the LSD - long, steady, distance (i.e., cardio) that is typical of an endurance athlete. I found I was getting fitter faster than my peers who did a lot of lower intensity stuff for longer period of times.
But I wasn't doing Jillian Michael's shred! I was doing Crossfit, swinging kettlebells, and doing other HIT -- the kind of stuff that makes you think you might have to puke after. :laugh:
Right now I'm injured so I'm doing a lot of LSD and no intervals and (almost) no tempo work and I can feel that I'm getting slower. I am only maintaining my fitness and not pushing it to the next level either. Plus it takes *forever*. Last week I did a 7 hour bike ride. I'd much rather do a 4 hour bike ride and 1 hour of intervals than spend my whole Sat. doing one workout!
Exercise training effects are very specific, and you also have to define what you mean by "fitness". Your response makes perfect sense. If you are doing higher-intensity work, I would think you would notice a switch to LSD training pretty quickly. I tend to do more sustained, higher-intensity linear workouts (as opposed to intervals) so switching to mostly intervals took away my endurance performance. I don't do it every day, but I go pretty consistently on a cross trainer or stairclimber at 80+% of HRreserve for 45 minutes. I often have trouble getting my heart rate up that high doing short (e.g. 20-30 sec) intervals, even at close to 100% effort (maybe it's not as much effort as I think )
In my workouts I do a lot of tempo and interval work-but more longer intervals within a continous workout or high-intensity "performance" efforts. So, like I said, by my standards, the shorter HIIT intervals reduced my ability to sustain 80+% efforts for a long period of time.
Overall, I tend to react negatively towards "absolutist" type philosphies or recommendations. Since the current fad is to empahsize HIT and HIIT type workouts, my natural tendency is to point out the shortcomings of a "one size fits all" approach. In the past, when the emphasis was on LSD and "fat burning" workouts, I spent most of my time telling people to do more intervals and high-intensity work.
Thanks for sharing your experience. We oldsters have to show we can push it also.0
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