In the zone/heart rate

Help please! I'm trying to figure out what in the zone actually means and where I should be number wise. I have a hr monitor and while working out tonight it says my average hr was 139 and maximum was 179. My hr monitor says I'm in the zone between 120 and 159. The monitor is set up by my weight, height age etc.. But I know everyone is different and I want to make sure I'm getting the most accurate reading I can. Any advice? Btw, I have the polar ft4 hr watch.

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  • RioMike
    RioMike Posts: 14 Member
    For me, I've generally followed the formula of "220 minus my age". On workouts, I would usually be at the higher end of my range for my pulse, but still in the "zone'. It comes down to how you feel when you're out there running, or working out.
  • servilia
    servilia Posts: 3,452 Member
    Out of curiosity why do you care about the zone?
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Really depends on your goals for the exercise.

    Purely to burn calories so you can eat more despite having a deficit?
    Endurance training for races?
    Cardiovascular health?

    How often do you do cardio, and for how long?

    And if you saw 179, and you weren't dying almost and needed to stop out of breath, I'd suggest you go in to the Settings - Personal and look for HR maximum, and confirm it's set to about 185, because the default guess of 220-age for women has more chance of being wrong by 10 bpm than being within that range and right.

    This has nothing to do with getting an accurate reading - you are getting that already.

    They have 2 zones, fat-burning zone because apparently that myth is still strong enough to build to, and fitness zone, which is way to wide of a zone.
    As you keep working out, that line will adjust.

    You can also set an upper zone alarm do divide things better depending on why you are doing cardio.
  • tonya_yates
    tonya_yates Posts: 13
    Out of curiosity why do you care about the zone?
  • tonya_yates
    tonya_yates Posts: 13
    When I'm working out it will tell me I'm out of my zone.. Wasn't sure if that was a bad thing or not?
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    When I'm working out it will tell me I'm out of my zone.. Wasn't sure if that was a bad thing or not?

    That's the upper zone alarm I referred to. You can use it to your advantage depending on your goals.
  • tonya_yates
    tonya_yates Posts: 13
    It is set for 185 maximum. Mfp says I need to do 1200 calories. I work out 6 times a week and burn 600-700 calories. Cardio/strength training. I mainly want to be sure I'm doing it right because I am adding back calories and I don't wanna put that many bck if its not accurate. I'm 35 and weigh 140, female. This is all new so very overwhelming reading some of the info :)
  • servilia
    servilia Posts: 3,452 Member
    When I'm working out it will tell me I'm out of my zone.. Wasn't sure if that was a bad thing or not?

    Which zone is it though? Is the so called fat burning zone, because that's a pretty outdated idea. I don't personally worry about any of that.
  • DopeItUp
    DopeItUp Posts: 18,771 Member
    Ignore the zone thing, it's pointless and means nothing. Workout as hard and/or as long as you can. Repeat as necessary.

    Only exception I can see is if you're aiming for a particular heart rate to pace yourself. If you wanted to run a marathon I doubt you could sustain 190 heart rate for the entire time, so you'd want to shoot for a particular range to ensure you can go the distance. This is just as an example, for the purposes of using heart rate as a tool. If you're not doing anything like that, don't sweat it.
  • tonya_yates
    tonya_yates Posts: 13
    Lol.. I guess so. I have no idea! It just says "in the zone" I don't know the difference between the zones I guess. I know I'm not wanting to maintain, I wanna be burning fat/carbs? I'm sure I sound crazy but its all new :/
  • tonya_yates
    tonya_yates Posts: 13
    Ignore the zone thing, it's pointless and means nothing. Workout as hard and/or as long as you can. Repeat as necessary.

    Only exception I can see is if you're aiming for a particular heart rate to pace yourself. If you wanted to run a marathon I doubt you could sustain 190 heart rate for the entire time, so you'd want to shoot for a particular range to ensure you can go the distance. This is just as an example, for the purposes of using heart rate as a tool. If you're not doing anything like that, don't sweat it.

    Thx! I think I'm just over processing everything and should just do my thing! :)
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    It is set for 185 maximum. Mfp says I need to do 1200 calories. I work out 6 times a week and burn 600-700 calories. Cardio/strength training. I mainly want to be sure I'm doing it right because I am adding back calories and I don't wanna put that many bck if its not accurate. I'm 35 and weigh 140, female. This is all new so very overwhelming reading some of the info :)

    Well, actually you made MFP tell you 1200 calories because you selected Sedentary right or wrong, and likely 2 lb weight loss weekly whether bad idea or not (notice 1 lb recommended).

    Well, you can leave it off for the strength training.

    The formula's for calorie burn in HRM are only tied to steady-state aerobic exercise, HR stays the same about 2-5 min.
    Strength training is neither steady-state, nor aerobic if done right.

    Use MFP for that estimate - it's small and more correct.

    For the cardio then, it sounds like your goal is just to burn calories. So set the upper zone alarm (not Max HR) to something higher, and if not daily cardio, go as hard as your little heart will take you.

    If it is daily, alternate days of hard and easy, use the fat burning zone for the day after lifting, that is it's real purpose.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Lol.. I guess so. I have no idea! It just says "in the zone" I don't know the difference between the zones I guess. I know I'm not wanting to maintain, I wanna be burning fat/carbs? I'm sure I sound crazy but its all new :/

    You sitting there at the computer are burning almost totally fat. You start moving more you burn more and more carbs at part of what you burn, until you are at upper reaches of aerobic zone, where it's total carbs, no fat.

    You exercise, you are burning a ratio of fat and carbs together.

    But it is good to find out. You have little to lose. That means your margin for error is small.
    Someone with a lot to lose can do all kinds of things wrong and still lose, maybe not as great as if things are done best.

    But with little to lose, you doing things wrong can foul things up. So it was good to ask.
    To many people think they'll just do straight cardio day after day, as hard as they possibly can.
    And they will lose muscle mass. So all out is not best either.
  • servilia
    servilia Posts: 3,452 Member
    Well you'll always be burning some combinations of fat and carbs, it's just the proportion changes as you change intensity levels. At lower intensities you'll burn a higher proportion of your calories from fat but this really doesn't matter.. At higher intensities you burn more cals overall (assuming same duration of exercise) so although the proportion of cals burned from fat will be less, you're still burning a larger number of absolute cals from fat. So I wouldn't worry about it and just do your thing!
  • tonya_yates
    tonya_yates Posts: 13
    It is set for 185 maximum. Mfp says I need to do 1200 calories. I work out 6 times a week and burn 600-700 calories. Cardio/strength training. I mainly want to be sure I'm doing it right because I am adding back calories and I don't wanna put that many bck if its not accurate. I'm 35 and weigh 140, female. This is all new so very overwhelming reading some of the info :)

    Well, actually you made MFP tell you 1200 calories because you selected Sedentary right or wrong, and likely 2 lb weight loss weekly whether bad idea or not (notice 1 lb recommended).

    Well, you can leave it off for the strength training.


    The formula's for calorie burn in HRM are only tied to steady-state aerobic exercise, HR stays the same about 2-5 min.
    Strength training is neither steady-state, nor aerobic if done right.

    Use MFP for that estimate - it's small and more correct.

    For the cardio then, it sounds like your goal is just to burn calories. So set the upper zone alarm (not Max HR) to something higher, and if not daily cardio, go as hard as your little heart will take you.

    If it is daily, alternate days of hard and easy, use the fat burning zone for the day after lifting, that is it's real purpose.


    Fantastic! This makes sense, after reading a few times, lol! I may be back soon if I have more questions!! :)
  • Hey tonya_yates,

    I was wondering the exact same thing... I'm using my Polar ft4 to assess my calories burnt and heart rate levels, and during 1 hour teaching Zumba it says I spend around only 10 minutes in the zone... with my average HR being 188bpm.

    Using the method of 220-age, My max is 194bpm, but I think the watch is set to lower.

    Is it 'healthy' to be out of this Zone? I'm pretty fit and workout at a high intensity level whilst teaching (so shouting as well!) so I don't feel like its bad to be working out to that level as I can handle it no problem...

    Some people say its a bad thing to be working out so hard... really??!!
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Hey tonya_yates,

    I was wondering the exact same thing... I'm using my Polar ft4 to assess my calories burnt and heart rate levels, and during 1 hour teaching Zumba it says I spend around only 10 minutes in the zone... with my average HR being 188bpm.

    Using the method of 220-age, My max is 194bpm, but I think the watch is set to lower.

    Is it 'healthy' to be out of this Zone? I'm pretty fit and workout at a high intensity level whilst teaching (so shouting as well!) so I don't feel like its bad to be working out to that level as I can handle it no problem...

    Some people say its a bad thing to be working out so hard... really??!!

    If your HRmax is set to 194 (and it will be on Polar unless you change it), then you hitting 188 avg for an hr means the HRmax figure is wrong.
    Which also means your calorie burn is very inflated.

    If you did it for an hr at 188, that means you were still in aerobic zone, probably the top level of it. Which means on avg about 85% of HRmax, so that would give better estimate of 221 HRmax.

    Now, your top of Aerobic zone may be better than 85% HRmax, if you have always worked out that high. In which case you may be at 90% HRmax, and that means 209 HRmax.

    As to is always at that level healthy? Sure, you are totally training your carb-burning system though, and even though that will extend your aerobic range on the high end, it also means your body will go to bigger ratio of carb burning even at lower levels, because that's what it knows.

    So that means if you are eating at a deficit, you really got to be careful to get enough carbs in. You could very easily after several days be depleted in carb stores, which means during your workout muscle breakdown will begin to provide those.
    Only benefit to Zumba over say running or cycling is at least the carb usage is coming from many more muscles, not just the biggest leg muscles, so that may help.

    But consider that probably 90-100% of those calories burned is carbs. Do you eat that many calories in carbs after the workout and before the next one, plus extra since you burn carbs rest of the day too?

    So if you are not teaching daily, your body would benefit from fat-burning training too to offset the high end training. So alternate hard and easy days. Even more so at deficit if desiring to lose weight, because high-end is very stressful on body anyway, and stress makes it harder to lose weight and fat.
  • Chainbreaker
    Chainbreaker Posts: 124 Member
    Bump.