pros and cons of eating vegan?

I'm trying to eat vegan, at least for most of the day. I'm finding it difficult to get protein into my diet, and with all the fruit I've been eating, my sugar levels on MFP are very high. I thought veganism was supposed to be super healthy, but I keep on going over on my carbs and sugar. But I'm way under for my calorie count. Help!

If anyone is a successful vegan, any tips or stories would be great :)
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  • MorgueBabe
    MorgueBabe Posts: 1,188 Member
    My migraines are gone, my skin cleared up, my joint pain is gone.

    Your getting carbs and sugar from fruit it's not "bad".


    Ask yourself this though is this a lifestyle you can commit to; or are you doing for weight loss only?
  • Carnivor0us
    Carnivor0us Posts: 1,752 Member
    Pro: Good protein
    Con: Getting thrown in jail for eating a vegan
  • pseraphina
    pseraphina Posts: 8
    haha :)
  • rachaelbmh
    rachaelbmh Posts: 54
    There are a lot of vegan protein sources you can use in place of meat. Whole grains, nuts and seeds and beans are all excellent sources of protein without the need for additional supplements. You also mentioned sugar from fruit - maybe try replacing some of those servings of fruit with a veggie and see how you feel? Sugar is a very constricting food and can definitely cause headaches. If you keep your blood sugar stable, you won't have those huge swings anymore.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    Why are you doing vegan? If it's just because you think it's "healthy"...well, pretty much any dietary lifestyle can be as healthy as you make it. I know some vegetarians that eat very healthy and others that eat crap. Just because you don't eat meat doesn't necessarily mean "healthy"...in fact, it means you have to go the extra mile to be healthy and get the proper nutrients in your diet...because getting adequate protein while eating vegetarian and vegan is pretty tough to do, particularly as many vegetarian proteins are incomplete chains.

    I'm not trying to discourage you from being vegan necessarily...but it should be sustainable long term for you. And, if your mind set is meat = not healthy, then that isn't a very good mind set and you're probably doing it for the wrong reasons. Most vegetarians and vegans I know live the lifestyle more because they have moral issues with how meat is processed, etc.
  • Meg_78
    Meg_78 Posts: 998 Member
    I think both vegetarianism and veganism can have many health benefits, and can be a healthy life style, but see I said LIFESTYLE and not diet!, It is only good for you if you are committed to the change and you do it properly...it is not as simple as removing meat/animal products from your diet, but finding the right replacement so you get all your nutritional needs...I think to be vegan is a pretty string choice...you may cope better beginning with a vegetarian diet first and go from there once you learn what you are doing.

    But if you are just doing to for dieting reasons, then I think you would do better to learn how to eat a balanced regular diet.
  • annasor70
    annasor70 Posts: 187 Member
    It's very easy and very healthy..but done right. A little research is important.

    For example, I start my day with an amazing shake of a great vegan protein powder, amla, raw cocoa, flax seed and then add cherries, blueberries, kale and ginger.

    For lunch I might have a bean and kale stew with a small sandwich of hummus, lettuce, tomato, avocado on protein grain bread.

    I snack on walnuts, pecans, strawberries and if I am dancing a lot I might have peanut butter on toast before classes.

    For dinner I might have a cheseless home made pizza on wholewhet crust with kale, garlic, peppers, mushrooms, tempeh, nutritional yeast with walnuts, fresh tomato and a salad.

    It is not hard...there is loads of variety and if you eat well, you will totally get enought protein. It's a fallacy in our culture that we need to eat giant amounts of protein anyhow.

    Fruit is great for you..you don't need to limit it. It had fibre and this site doesn't seem to take that into consideration.
    I dance over nine hours a week, hike and am very active and never have any trouble with energy and rarely get sick.
    Feel free to friend me if you need advice.

    It's wonderful to be vegan for health and for the earth :) Well done and keep it up.
  • _Zardoz_
    _Zardoz_ Posts: 3,987 Member
    The main advantage is you're not complicit in the undue suffering and death of animals.

    There is some good advice on eating vegan on the Vegan Society website (the U.K. one.)
  • RedHeadDevotchka
    RedHeadDevotchka Posts: 1,394 Member
    I would use the bathroom like 5 times a day and had major gas at all times. But I was getting in a bunch of veggies.
    If you can eat that way go for it. You can get creative with some of the ways you cook things too because you sort of have to if you miss meat and cheese (which is why I couldn't keep it up)
  • 1223345
    1223345 Posts: 1,386 Member
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  • Ashwee87
    Ashwee87 Posts: 695 Member
    Biggest con and 100% reason I won't go vegan.

    No bacon.
  • meeper123
    meeper123 Posts: 3,347 Member
    If you can do it more power to you I would rather eat reasonably I tired to do the vegan vegetarian thing and its just not for me. If you need some motivation though go visit PETAs web site that will give you nightmares and make you never want to eat beef again.
  • EDesq
    EDesq Posts: 1,527 Member
    I'm trying to eat vegan, at least for most of the day. I'm finding it difficult to get protein into my diet, and with all the fruit I've been eating, my sugar levels on MFP are very high. I thought veganism was supposed to be super healthy, but I keep on going over on my carbs and sugar. But I'm way under for my calorie count. Help!

    If anyone is a successful vegan, any tips or stories would be great :)


    OK, before you transition into something, I would THINK that anyone would DO RESEARCH! Like, what are the BEST Sources of Protein and where are they located; Best Sources of Calcium, B-12 Sources, what are Micro Nutrients and best sources, what does heating food do to it, how much raw and cooked food do I want to eat...DO some WORK for Yourself or you will ALWAYS be going with "the next best thing" in the wind. RESEARCH!!!
  • hauntao
    hauntao Posts: 130 Member
    Biggest con and 100% reason I won't go vegan.

    No bacon.

    Me too. I might go pescatarian (sp?) once I move from the area because at the moment we get our meat by the animal from a friend in the village, so I know where it's raised and can even choose which animal. I don't know if I would be comfortable buying meat from a store again.
  • SabrinaLC
    SabrinaLC Posts: 133 Member
    Reduced saturated fats. Dairy products and meats contain a large amount of saturated fats. By reducing the amount of saturated fats from your diet, you’ll improve your health tremendously, especially when it comes to cardiovascular health.

    *Cardiovascular disease. Eating nuts and whole grains, while eliminating dairy products and meat, will improve your cardiovascular health. A British study indicates that a vegan diet reduces the risk for heart disease and Type 2 diabetes. Vegan diets go far in preventing heart attack and stroke.

    *Cholesterol. Eliminating any food that comes from an animal and you will eliminate all dietary cholesterol from your diet. Your heart will thank you for that.

    *Blood pressure. A diet rich in whole grains is beneficial to your health in many ways, including lowering high blood pressure.
    Type 2 diabetes. Not only is a vegan diet a weapon against Type 2 diabetes, it is also "easier to follow than the standard diet recommended by the American Diabetic Association." Read more about it here.

    *Prostate cancer. A major study showed that men in the early stages of prostate cancer who switched to a vegan diet either stopped the progress of the cancer or may have even reversed the illness.

    *Colon cancer. Eating a diet consisting of whole grains, along with fresh fruits and vegetables, can greatly reduce your chances of colon cancer.

    *Breast cancer. Countries where women eat very little meat and animal products have a much lower rate of breast cancer than do the women in countries that consume more animal products.

    *Macular degeneration. Diets with lots of fresh fruits and vegetables, especially leafy greens, carrots, pumpkin, and sweet potatoes, can help prevent the onset of age-related macular degeneration.

    *Cataracts. Much the same way macular degeneration is headed off by a vegan diet, cataracts are also thought to be prevented through the intake of the same fruits and vegetables. Produce high in antioxidants are also believed to help prevent cataracts.

    *Arthritis. Eliminating dairy consumption has long been connected with alleviating arthritis symptoms, but a new study indicates that a combination of gluten-free and vegan diet is very promising for improving the health of those suffering from rheumatoid arthritis.

    *Osteoporosis. Bone health depends on a balance of neither too much or too little protein, adequate calcium intake, high potassium, and low sodium. With a healthy vegan diet, all four of these points set a perfect scenario for preventing osteoporosis.

    There are 57 benefits listed here: http://www.nursingdegree.net/blog/19/57-health-benefits-of-going-vegan/
    I have been vegan since January 2011 and started the whole vegetarian thing October 2008. Eating a healthy vegan diet can be VERY beneficial
  • SabrinaLC
    SabrinaLC Posts: 133 Member
    Cons?
    Being a junk food vegan. If you go vegan avoid packaged foods as much as possible. Just because it's vegan doesn't make it good for you.
  • darkguardian419
    darkguardian419 Posts: 1,302 Member
    They might have something against that, unless you're talking metaphorical.

    Cannibalism is typically frowned upon though.
  • Bunnybeesweet
    Bunnybeesweet Posts: 165 Member
    I'm a strong, healthy vegan...and about 25% of my calories is protein. I eat (some sprouted) whole grains, beans, lentils, tofu, tempeh, seitan, vega protein smoothies, pea, hemp and sprouted rice protein powders, protein bars like Organic Food Bar- protein, nuts, seeds, quinoa and a ton of kale and other veggies.

    major benefits include (but not limited to) awesome immunity to all the colds that go around, great recovery time from heavy lifting, tons of energy, sleeping peacefully and good karma from not being cruel to animals!
  • lcchrt
    lcchrt Posts: 234 Member
    Pro: Good protein
    Con: Getting thrown in jail for eating a vegan

    ^^ This

    But seriously...
    Pros: healthier, balanced diet, knowing everything that goes into your mouth (hehehe get our mind out of the gutter)
    Cons: have to meal plan, cook a lot and hard to eat out

    There are plenty of ways to get more than protein :)
  • LuHox
    LuHox Posts: 136
    I am no longer eating vegan. I consider going back sometimes... but I don't. That being said...

    Pros:
    *I feel good about not financially supporting the suffering of animals in factory farms
    *Fruits, veggies, grains, legumes, and nuts are yummier than meat
    *It can be a very healthy, clean way to eat if you do it right (although plenty of junk food is totally vegan)

    Cons:
    *Vegan protein sources usually have carbohydrates as well. Some of them have a lot of carbohydrates. Carbohydrates have calories... so depending on what you feel your macro ratios should be, it can be pretty hard to get enough protein on a low calorie diet, especially without supplementing. That's my experience, anyway.
    *Having to constantly explain yourself to people who swear you can't possibly eat enough protein, iron, etc... often people who pay no attention to what they eat and swear their daily diet is still better than yours.
    *Eating out is difficult
    *Family holidays with food are awkward

    tips... vegan protein shakes with no sugar added/unsweetened, mix with water.
    Don't worry about sugar from fruit. It's the added/refined sugar you need to limit.
    Make sure you get a variety of different protein sources so you have all the essential amino acids
    Seitan is the most protein dense source (as long as you're not sensitive to wheat gluten), and it's cheap to make yourself. However, it's not a complete protein so as mentioned before, be sure to mix it up.

    If you drink protein shakes, I like Life's Basics Plant Protein (with chia & hemp seeds). I drink the chocolate flavor which is sweetened, but they have unsweetened as well. I can't vouch for it, because I haven't tried it.
  • CorvusCorax77
    CorvusCorax77 Posts: 2,536 Member
    Another pro: cholesterol free diet (which can help reduce heart disease chances)....

    You can get protein on a vegan diet, it's just if you want to have a high protein diet, you will be eating a lot of processed products. I think the best protein sources are tempeh, sprouted tofu, boca burgers, gimme lean products (if you can eat wheat gluten that is).... I also recommend protein shakes- you can get rice, soy, or hemp. I am focused on weight lifting so the hard part is getting the protein.

    The only con is that the sources of protein are limited- especially if you are trying to have a higher protein to carb balance in your diet. Vegan cheese (daiya) and vegan yogurt has lower protein than dairy. Dairy ice cream has more protein.

    If you aren't worried about protein, I don't think there is a con to being vegan. Just take your vitamins and enjoy lots of yummy food.

    (I am not vegan, but I tend to eat mostly vegan, bake vegan, cook vegan, etc. I was vegan for 11 years).
  • Querian
    Querian Posts: 419 Member
    I tried to look at your diary to see what you are eating now but it is closed. Beans, tofu, tempeh and even spinach and strawberries have protein, I don't know how much you are eating now or what sources but here is an article about how much you really need:

    http://www.webmd.com/diet/healthy-kitchen-11/how-much-protein

    Mine is an unpopular viewpoint but I think the emphasis in recent years in eating an enormous amount of protein is detrimental to most people. Unless you are a marathoner or a serious body builder you don't need the amount of protein that is often recommended. The article here says most women need about 46 grams a day. Even if you increase it a little to cover your workouts you don't need a crazy amount of protein. I know a lot of people will disagree with me. And as long as you are getting your carbs and sugars from fresh produce and whole grains you should be okay.

    I'n not a vegan but I do eat that way often, feel free to look at my diary.
    Breakfast today - vegan
    AM Snack today - vegan
    Afternoon snack today - vegan
    Dinner might be vegan - haven't decided what to make yet!

    Yesterday was almost completely vegan (there was an egg in the hoecakes) and I got 64 grams of protein.
  • Akimajuktuq
    Akimajuktuq Posts: 3,037 Member
    There are many converted vegans who have published their experiences with the lifestyle. It might be useful to read some of their experiences. One common theme of the experiences that I have read is that they insisted that they were healthy even while their health (including mental health) was deteriorating drastically. Some of these vegans damaged their health permanently.

    There are challenges with it both from a dietary standpoint and environmental/ethical standpoint. There is absolutely no way to for us to live without consuming other living organisms. (Plants are alive too and actually have complex behaviour.) Intensive modern grain agriculture (fed to animals and humans-healthy for neither) is extremely destructive to soil organisms and aquatic ecosystems. Animals must be a part of agriculture or the nutrient cycle is disrupted (replaced with petrochemical fertilizers) and topsoil is lost rapidly. Personally, I'd rather have cow dung on my veggies than industrial sludge-but that's just me. Based on my research/experience, I think grain agriculture is what is unethical.

    However, it helps to have some experience with the natural world and knowledge of how food gets on one's plate to actually understand what the heck I am trying to say.

    Edit: I see the cholesterol/saturated fat/heart disease myth is alive and well in this thread. So sad.
  • magerum
    magerum Posts: 12,589 Member
    Pros: I got nothing.

    Cons: You're not eating meat or dairy. Both of which are delicious (and nutritious).
  • ahamm002
    ahamm002 Posts: 1,690 Member
    Unless you have food allergies or sensitivities, there is no health related to reason to choose a vegan diet. It's not super healthy! It's unnatural and likely to inhibit both fat loss and muscle building due to the lack of high quality protein. Epidemiology does not show that vegetarians or vegans live longer than the rest of us.

    Yes, vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds, etc are all super healthy and you should eat lots of them. But just because they're good for you does not mean that meat is has to be unhealthy. If you want to be healthy, eat healthy foods. That should include at least 5 (but preferably 9) servings of fruits and veggies per day. You also need plenty of protein, and your best sources of protein are animal sources. There are numerous healthy non vegan options that include a long list of lean meats, dairy, and eggs.
  • whierd
    whierd Posts: 14,025 Member
    Con: No meat.

    /thread
  • FlaxMilk
    FlaxMilk Posts: 3,452 Member
    If you want to be a vegan or a vegetarian for some moral or ethical reason, there are many pros. If you want to be a vegetarian or a vegan because your doctor has said you need to be for your health, there are many pros. If you are doing it to try to lose weight, and that is your main or only reason, you will likely not stick with it and will not find improved health from going vegan. There's tons of delicious, highly caloric foods widely available that vegans can eat.

    If you have reasons that will help you stick with it, go for it and you'll find tons of ways to eat healthfully as a vegan. I'm very happy as a vegan, but weight loss isn't part of the equation for me (as a reason for being vegan). If it were, I'd probably eat all the foods all the time. (I knew someone who was a vegan for her health. What that really meant was eating vegan foods unless something too tasty to resist came along, which likely defeated the purpose for her anyway.)
  • affacat
    affacat Posts: 216 Member
    i'm normally vegan, but haven't been for a couple months for various reasons (and the exceptions are very specific minor ingredients, not anything major). however, i prefer being vegan and have long maintained an extremely healthy lifestyle being so (and will be again). it's easy with research, and extremely delicious if you know what you're doing.

    i used to 'love' the taste of meat and dairy, so going vegan well over a decade ago was an extremely difficult choice for me. now, the very thought of eating meat is rather... gross? my choice was purely ethical, not dietary.

    a couple notes -- find replacements. for example, i tend to really like fake meats. pasta and veggie meatballs are awesome. i had a hard time at first till i found stuff that mentally fit the bill of the 'meal' i was conditioned to eat since birth.

    also, in the past 15 years, 'replacements' are far, far better. the advancements in vegan food (both prepackaged and at restaurants) is downright amazing.

    early on, if you're absolutely craving something, have it. then go back to not having it. just because you make an exception doesn't mean you need to give up on going vegan entirely. as time goes by, you'll find your 'exception' craving approaching zero (much like after eating healthy for a couple months a fast food burger would taste greasy and disgusting).

    i recommend that if you're a meat eater currently, going vegan is better than going vegetarian. many new vegetarians overdo dairy (especially cheese) to a ridiculous degree, and obviously if you're attempting vegan you avoid that pitfall entirely. you can always carefully add cheese or whatever back into your diet after a few months, though by that time, you probably won't even want to.
  • affacat
    affacat Posts: 216 Member
    Unless you have food allergies or sensitivities, there is no health related to reason to choose a vegan diet. It's not super healthy! It's unnatural and likely to inhibit both fat loss and muscle building due to the lack of high quality protein. Epidemiology does not show that vegetarians or vegans live longer than the rest of us.

    if you do it right, it is absolutely super healthy.

    also of note, you can build plenty of muscle and stay extremely trim vegan. i've always, always, always been at my healthiest vegan. of course, there are unhealthy vegans, but i mean, c'mon, anyone can eat wrong... if all you eat are vegan cookies, yea, you're not going to get healthy.
  • escort9580
    escort9580 Posts: 23 Member
    Try not to focus on what you are going over. Realistically vegan diets are low in calories and you will lose weight. Most americans think they need way more protein than is necessary. In actuality the protein you get from most vegetables is enough for your body to thrive. Some of the pros are you can usually eat until you are satisfied without going over your calories. The cons are that when you go out many places have meat products in them secretly. Did you know that in some places they use beef broth to flavor their rice. it is hard to be vegan when going out unless you stick to the salad bar and even then you should stick to the fruit because the vegetables and rices and pastas usually have butter and the salads are topped with cheeses and the sauces- who knows what are in the sauces.