MFP vs. TDEE - 20%

Good Morning Everyone!
I'm relatively new at this - it has been about 2 months and I've had some great successes so far. However, I think I have hit a plateau. From everything I understand, it's probably about time I increase my calories as I have increased my fitness level since starting the program.

I was just wondering about those who have had consistent weight loss, if the MFP track or the TDEE - 20% has worked better. According to the calculations, TDEE will allow me to eat more, but I don't want to set myself back for the weight I have lost. I'm sure it is different for everyone, but was just curious if there was a more successful approach.

Thanks!

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  • Sweettart
    Sweettart Posts: 1,331 Member
    I am also curious about this!
  • kaylerrr45
    kaylerrr45 Posts: 8
    I guess no one knows :(
  • palmerar
    palmerar Posts: 489 Member
    Actually I find that they are roughly the same, and I might end up eating slightly less using TDEE-15% than MFP and eating back exercise cals. I calculated my TDEE-15% and its around 1750-1850 per day exercising 1-3 hrs a week. If I set my MFP to lightly active losing .5 lbs a week it gives me 1750 per day. I don't add exercise cals and this method works for me. I've been tracking cals for a few years and started TDEE-20% on February 1 and have lost 9 of the 17 lbs I want to lose. It's more slow and steady wins the race rather than a dramatic loss. I find it easy to stick with which is why I've had the success I've had. I also weigh in only once a month so as to not get caught up in the numbers.
  • kaylerrr45
    kaylerrr45 Posts: 8
    MFP has me set to 1,340 with light exercise and TDEE-20% has me at 1,674. That's a huge difference for me so I'm not sure which is more accurate and helpful in losing weight.

    I guess I just need more assurance of how counterintuitive it is to eat more to lose.
  • deksgrl
    deksgrl Posts: 7,237 Member
    Actually I find that they are roughly the same, and I might end up eating slightly less using TDEE-15% than MFP and eating back exercise cals. I calculated my TDEE-15% and its around 1750-1850 per day exercising 1-3 hrs a week. If I set my MFP to lightly active losing .5 lbs a week it gives me 1750 per day. I don't add exercise cals and this method works for me. I've been tracking cals for a few years and started TDEE-20% on February 1 and have lost 9 of the 17 lbs I want to lose. It's more slow and steady wins the race rather than a dramatic loss. I find it easy to stick with which is why I've had the success I've had. I also weigh in only once a month so as to not get caught up in the numbers.

    ^^ THIS

    A properly set MFP goal + exercise calories SHOULD BE in the same ballpark range as TDEE- % (a properly set %, 20% is not appropriate for everyone.

    The benefit of the TDEE-% method is that your exercise is calculated into that already, you do not have to track exercise every day and figure out how much more to try to eat. I find it more simple and easier to sustain. Also, unless you have an HRM, then exercise burn estimates can be off enough to affect your progress. It's just more complicated.
  • palmerar
    palmerar Posts: 489 Member
    MFP has me set to 1,340 with light exercise and TDEE-20% has me at 1,674. That's a huge difference for me so I'm not sure which is more accurate and helpful in losing weight.

    I guess I just need more assurance of how counterintuitive it is to eat more to lose.

    What is your loss rate set to? 2lbs per week? 1lb per week? TDEE-20% is set so you lose about .5lbs a week, but the first month I lost 4, it's more sustainable for me, plus what deksgrl said about overestimating calorie burn
  • deksgrl
    deksgrl Posts: 7,237 Member
    MFP has me set to 1,340 with light exercise and TDEE-20% has me at 1,674. That's a huge difference for me so I'm not sure which is more accurate and helpful in losing weight.

    I guess I just need more assurance of how counterintuitive it is to eat more to lose.

    MFP requires that you log your exercise and eat those calories too. So if you exercise burned 300 today, you would be eating 1340 + 300 = 1640.

    And your MFP goal may not be set properly. Choosing how many pounds per week you want to lose improperly will knock the calculation off from what it should be.
  • RiverMelSong
    RiverMelSong Posts: 456 Member
    My settings on MFP are set to sedentary (I log exercise/work separately) and my allowance on MFP is 1510 calories. My TDEE-20% is 1575 calories. So I try to stay around 1500 calories and eat most of my exercise calories back.
  • brisingr86
    brisingr86 Posts: 1,789 Member
    Do a search in the forum for "in place of a road map" or even "TDEE and BMR" and you should bring up a lot of discussion on this topic. There's a google doc spreadsheet that you can copy to get estimates of BMR (basal metabolic rate) and what your eating goal should be. I was on for about a month and the more I read and the more calculators I tried, the more I thought I was eating below BMR and maybe putting myself into starvation mode (I was targeting 1200 net). I used the Google Sheet which gave me a BMR and target of 1333, so that's what I've been trying for the last couple weeks. I'm not gaining and saw some loss this week. The spreadsheet takes body fat % into account (so having your measurements is useful) and may suggest a bigger % deficit from TDEE and estimate a lower BMR than you might get from other calculators based on BF%. One thing you may notice if you look at the TDEE -20% is it's targeting about 1 lb of loss/week, so be aware that loss may not be as fast. The other thing is that if the TDEE-20% calorie goal is more than 200 calories above your MFP goal, the recommendation is to gradually increase like 100 calories every two weeks (quoting from memory so double check the amount and timing) while you're still losing until you get to the TDEE-20% number.

    Good luck and don't get discouraged. This is a long journey and there are occassionally detours. Find something that works for you and that you can maintain. Feel free to friend me.
  • rfsatar
    rfsatar Posts: 599 Member
    Actually I find that they are roughly the same, and I might end up eating slightly less using TDEE-15% than MFP and eating back exercise cals. I calculated my TDEE-15% and its around 1750-1850 per day exercising 1-3 hrs a week. If I set my MFP to lightly active losing .5 lbs a week it gives me 1750 per day. I don't add exercise cals and this method works for me. I've been tracking cals for a few years and started TDEE-20% on February 1 and have lost 9 of the 17 lbs I want to lose. It's more slow and steady wins the race rather than a dramatic loss. I find it easy to stick with which is why I've had the success I've had. I also weigh in only once a month so as to not get caught up in the numbers.

    Pretty much this.
    Since switching to a modified TDEE - deficit (I use my BMR and edit MFP to start with that and depending on my exercise for the day, I eat back my calories and typically stay within a 15-20% deficit on those numbers).

    I tend to lose in half pounds, but have found inches and body-fat% coming down to be MUCH more of a motivator...
    At its core... I am more aware of what I eat, when I eat, and how many cals it all has. That is a good thing.
  • kaylerrr45
    kaylerrr45 Posts: 8
    Maybe I have MFP set improperly. Plus I don't like to eat my exercise calories back - unless it's intentional for a little splurge day. I had MFP set to sedentary because by the definition, I do have a desk job that is 40 hrs/wk. But I also go to the gym 4x per week with at the very least 2 days of 70 minutes of cardio and the other 2 days of strength/cardio. I've put that in under "exercise" but it STILL gives me only 1250 calories.

    I've heard varying discussions over whether or not to eat your exercise calories back. Is this why MFP is so low? I would prefer to stick with MFP and not eat my exercise calories but in the last 3 weeks, I've only lost about 1.5lbs.
  • deksgrl
    deksgrl Posts: 7,237 Member
    MFP will figure out your estimated BMR and TDEE, but instead of reducing it by a certain percent, it takes how many pounds you say you want to lose per week and deducts a flat amount of calories per day. 500 calories for 1 pound per week, 1,000 calories for 2 pounds per week, etc. But to a minimum of 1200 cals.

    So if your TDEE is 2,000 calories, and you say you want to lose 2 pounds a week, it is going to try to subtract 1,000 cals from that. But that would be too low, so you get 1,200.

    This calculation it uses does not include your exercise, it assumes you will do no exercise, then when you do, you need to eat those calories for fuel.

    You should choose 1 pound per week, and eat back your exercise calories (some people only eat back 50-80% of their calories if they do not have an HRM and they are guessing on their calories burned).

    OR reset your calorie goals manually to TDEE - 15% (20% could be too large of a cut since you only have 18 pounds left to lose. As your weight goes down your percent cut should get smaller.)
  • kaylerrr45
    kaylerrr45 Posts: 8
    Thanks so much for all the input! I'm going to try a few weeks slowly increasing my calories to around TDEE - 20%. I'm glad I'm more informed on how MFP works. There should be some sort of disclaimer on it when you begin that teaches you how to appropriately use the app!