Training like an athlete but results like a couch potato!
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I did not read through this entire thread, I'm just checking in to share my main sources of vegetarian protein:
Eggs (yolk-in helps me stay satisfied longer with fewer calories)
Baked tofu (you said gross, but try marinating it or buy the pre-marinated baked tofu)
Edamame
Beans. I have beans 1 or 2 meals a day.
Vegetables and mushrooms.
Whole grains and quinoa.
Silken tofu smoothies (the tofu makes a creamy base for the smoothie, you can't taste it).
Tempeh and seitan
I don't believe you need as much protein as many people suggest, but I don't wish to get into a debate - to each their own. I aim for 80g/day, I weigh 164 now and my goal is 145.
Good luck reaching your goal! Your dedication to exercise is awesome.0 -
Athletes fuel their workouts; they FEED MUSCLE TO BURN FAT... if the last 3 days of your diary is an indication of how you eat all the time; your deficits are WAY too low. You are not eating enough.... and maybe that should be a starting point for you. Figure out your numbers and start eating at TDEE - 15%
Then post in 6 weeks and you will be telling us about your results! Good luck with this!0 -
Your body is dealing with regulating harmones , intense workouts, and fasting it maybe freaking out just relax alittle eat good and keep working out the 3 week period is a sign of harmonal in balance that cause weight issues I have had them myself. Also careful that you don't burn out your adrenals with all the exercise and diet fasting.0
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And yes, I concur with you I have not been eating enough protein however since I'm vegetarian it's difficult to find a form that isn't high in fat such as nuts and seeds. There for if you have a protein suggestion (besides tofu GROSS) please let me know.
Lentils(35g serving)~ 80 Calories, fat 0, carbs 20g, protein10g
Quinoa(46g serving)~ 170 Calories, fat 2.5g, carbs 30g, protein 7g0 -
use this calculator:
http://scoobysworkshop.com/accurate-calorie-calculator/
imo:
for #5: pick 5-6 hours / strenuous.
for #6 select 15%/weight loss. 20% at the absolute max, but really, 15%.
for #8, they're all pretty similar. go with Mifflin (based on other threads i've read)
leave calibration factor empty.
if you know your body fat%, enter it.
Scroll down for 3 numbers:
1) BMR - how many calories you'd burn if you were in a hospital bed all day
2) TDEE - how many calories you need to maintain weight, based on your chosen activity level, etc.
3) Goal Calories - based on that 15% reduction you entered earlier, this is how you actually lose weight.
And... now you have a number. Is it right? Depends on your body. But it's a start. If you are ridiculously good at keeping to that exact goal, you could then use the calibration factor after a month to get even more personalized results, but i can't imagine anyone being that exact. So... just use it as a guide. If you're losing about the amount of weight per month (not per week, too short to tell) you want, you're on the right track.
i found i was eating at least 500 calories less than i should be.
Re: Supplements. They are worth the money if they help you get through your exercise as placebos and if you don't mind if they might not have any actual effect. Some might. Some certainly don't. But if the action of taking them gets your head straight, then imo they're worth the money. Once you get into your routine and are sticking to a diet/exercise regime phase them out. I think some things, like electrolyte replacement, are definitely important. But 'fad' chemicals/natural ingredients are far less likely to actually be anything.0 -
And yes, I concur with you I have not been eating enough protein however since I'm vegetarian it's difficult to find a form that isn't high in fat such as nuts and seeds. There for if you have a protein suggestion (besides tofu GROSS) please let me know.
Eat the fat. Fat doesn't make you fat
Really? Should I watch the amount at all or eat as much as I need to have my protein intake and the right place? I was told to keep my fat content at 10%. That's like 1 tablespoon of I Can't Believe It's Not Butter Olive Oil Spread) :noway:
10% is really quite low for your daily fat intake, especially because you're a girl. I've read a handful of studies (which of course, I now am having an impossible time trying to find a quote - nice job, self) That when women diet they shouldn't drop their fat intake too low (but healthy fats of course, nuts, avocados, the works) You know that really cranky streak we can get when we diet? It helps curb that A TON. I have found, and this is just my personal experience, by keeping my protein and fat %'s high, and my carb % lower I stay fuller much longer and function mush happier. My "female body functions" are also much more sane and regular (since you said you're experiencing some annoyances there). Hope that helps, of only just a little0 -
I think you're doing wonderful and I completely understand your frustration! I'm one of those people that seriously has to work off the weight, pound by pound. I cut out sugar (except for the occasional treat), dairy, wheat and I eat lots of protein and healthy fat and will lose like a pound a month. Also like you I also have a hard time getting in all my calories for the day which is usually because I'm a night person and enjoy snacking at night but since I'm trying to lose weight I don't eat past 7PM.
My best advice is ask your personal trainer to do some heavy lifting with you. Things like dead lifts, overhead lunges, overhead squats, back squats, front squats, push ups, burpees, and kettle bells swings. For cardio box jumps are amazing and so is jump roping. This is how I lost all my baby weight (70 pounds) with my first son and trust me I tried everything! I also like to run but I know from past experience you can spend 60 mins running and feel great but not get the results you want unless you really spend time lifting and lifting heavy 5 days a week! I also see a lot of people are telling you to eat more healthy fats- personally I love coconut oil for just about everything! I put it in my coffee/tea, I cook with it everyday, I use for my skin, my hair and even as a diaper rash cream for my 3 month old baby. The benefits are endless! Don’t give up and ignore all the rude comments, you need to figure out what works best for you and your body. Remember to be patient it took me over a year to find my style of working out and to choose a diet that worked for me, my lifestyle and budget. It took me a year and half to lose all the weight and get into the shape that I wanted. I would love to have you add me as a friend, right now I’m starting over since I just had my second child 3 months and always need encouragement! Best of luck!0 -
Ok..... this is a very exciting post.... not to mention some of the testy comments from earlier...but hey each one had really solid advice.... weight loss is a very emotional ( happiness, sadness, etc etc and blah) so each person will have their own take on it... so when you ask for advice.... you just have to take the good with the bad and use what is useful and what is not and be a good sport about it... which you are!
Ok... I have hit this issue myself... I am a kickboxing/step aerobic instructor.... At one point I was teaching everyday and twice daily on Tuesdays in addition to my home 4am workouts.... Everyweek...like clock work.... started learning how to eat fairly clean.... bam dropped 23lbs.... over a span of time..... ( I think 6mths)
Then... I got comfortable... I was like (listening to others) as much as I work out I should be able to eat what I want.... so I did... still kept my workouts tough....but then the weight started creeping back on and when I taught class I felt... like I could not do things like I used to.... I gained 13lbs of the the 23 back... WTF!!!!!!!!
So today, as I read your post it helped me and it just dawned on me like a lightening bolt.....ding ding DIET is 80% and exercise is 20%.... even though we hear and hear this it never seems to really STICK.
Ok so how can this long drawn out sapp story help you... lol.... It is really good that you are vegetarian..... however, you do need to make sure you consume the right amount of cals from the right foods each day.... Your body needs no lower than 1200-1300 when in deficit for weight loss... make sure even if you are within your cals that everything else is within gauge as well.... sodium, sugar, etc.... sometimes we get so caught up in making sure we are within our caloric range we don't pay attention to how much fat or sugar we consumed in that day.....EVERYTHING COUNTS! You should boost your protein intake(Can you use protein shakes? I think they make a vegan kind).... One good multivitamin is all you need.... I do use b12 to help with my anemia.... however the other stuff is just a waste..... literally your body pees out excess vitamins anyway.... but if you have money to pee away... go girl (smile just joking)
This is a battle and we have to stick together as a community and help each other..... Good sound nutrition and good exercise is awesome...so give yourself a pat on the back for being a working mother who is working out!!! Awesome job! Count the milestones you have already and make adjustments as you go to get better!0 -
Lots of good advice on here. Just a couple of additional thoughts:
1- as many others have said, you really should raise your fat and protein intake. In as much as many foods higher in fat and protein are also higher in calories, focusing on that could likely go a long way to also raising your total calorie intake (as more calorie-dense foods will get you more calories with less volume, and it's volume that fills you up).
2- weight loss really comes down to a simple formula - burn more than you eat on a consistent basis without going too far, and you'll loose weight. Eat too little (which it appears you are), and your body will slow its metabolism and hoard anything it can turn into fat, making you gain or maintain weight even while eating at a deficit.
In your case, you're adding multiple complications. Vegetarian, a new birth control program, coming off of a juice fast, and a huge list of supplements of questionable value. There's so many variables that could be relevant it's hard to narrow things down. For example, doing the juice fast, you're likely to lose a lot of water weight, which will be put back on when you return to a normal diet. So, part of your "plateau" may actually be losing of weight in reality, but offset by a return to normal hydration levels, thus hiding some real weight loss. Likewise, as your body adjusts to the birth control, your hormones will cause varied reactions. That alone would be cause for not worrying too much in the short term.
Do the supplements help with your rib problem? Have you actually tried with and without just the ones for that issue? Given the nature of core muscles, recovery isn't usually an issue for them, so I wouldn't be surprised if there's not much help coming from them. There are just so many on your list it's bewildering, and something there may be part of the issue...
3- in addition to eating more fat, you might want to consider what types of fat you're eating. You mentioned in one of your responses your tiny 10% fat being like one spoon of "I can't believe it's not butter" spread, and your diary lists another olive oil spread. Hydrogenated fats, aka trans-fats. Since you're not vegan (at least, you're eating dairy and eggs in your diary), I would suggest replacing the butter replacements with butter. It'll taste better, has healthier fats, and the higher total fat content will be good for you. Another good choice would be coconut oil (which is solid and spreadable at room temperature, just like your spreads). As someone else mentioned, avocados might be a good choice for you (though I hate them...). As for protein, you already said you were buying some beans and such. You might also try quinoa. It's a complete protein, rare in the grain world. And you're already eating eggs, so eat more (and I'd suggest whole eggs for you, at least at this point - there's not much to be gained in just egg whites.
4- you're eating a lot of nutritionally-dense, but low calorie foods, which is what most of us struggle to do. But you also need to flat out eat more calories. You probably have all your micronutrients well beyond supplied. Indulge a bit in something calorie-dense. Have a cookie, or a brownie, or a bowl of ice cream!
5- I disagree with some of the other posters about you not training like an athlete - at least in terms of exercise time. Many age-group amature triathletes who focus on sprint-distance triathlons train under 300 hours a year, and what you describe is well above that mark. But, what an athlete does do differently is train with a goal in mind and a periodization plan. If you're very consistent in your workouts (especially anything cardio/endurance-targeted), your body will adapt to that level and type of activity, and you'd get diminishing returns. You might consider speaking with the trainer you're working with about setting up a periodization plan, to break things up, give periodic recovery weeks, etc. Periodically working out less provides a chance for your body to adjust, then you can work out that much harder in the next chunk (remember, it's not when you work out hard that your fitness improves, but rather when you rest after working out hard). Or, maybe, choose an event to work towards, a plan to train for it, and actually -train-for it (as opposed to merely exercising). It will make your gym time more meaningful and enjoyable, and may help break your plateau.0 -
use this calculator:
http://scoobysworkshop.com/accurate-calorie-calculator/
imo:
for #5: pick 5-6 hours / strenuous.
for #6 select 15%/weight loss. 20% at the absolute max, but really, 15%.
for #8, they're all pretty similar. go with Mifflin (based on other threads i've read)
leave calibration factor empty.
if you know your body fat%, enter it.
Scroll down for 3 numbers:
1) BMR - how many calories you'd burn if you were in a hospital bed all day
2) TDEE - how many calories you need to maintain weight, based on your chosen activity level, etc.
3) Goal Calories - based on that 15% reduction you entered earlier, this is how you actually lose weight.
And... now you have a number. Is it right? Depends on your body. But it's a start. If you are ridiculously good at keeping to that exact goal, you could then use the calibration factor after a month to get even more personalized results, but i can't imagine anyone being that exact. So... just use it as a guide. If you're losing about the amount of weight per month (not per week, too short to tell) you want, you're on the right track.
i found i was eating at least 500 calories less than i should be.
Re: Supplements. They are worth the money if they help you get through your exercise as placebos and if you don't mind if they might not have any actual effect. Some might. Some certainly don't. But if the action of taking them gets your head straight, then imo they're worth the money. Once you get into your routine and are sticking to a diet/exercise regime phase them out. I think some things, like electrolyte replacement, are definitely important. But 'fad' chemicals/natural ingredients are far less likely to actually be anything.
Based on that it says I should eat 2331 for TDEE. Honestly, I don't think that is physically possible for me. Does that amount sound right?
Errrrrr nevermind.... Blonde moment!! I got it. Even still it says 1865 calories it what I should eat. I wouldn't even know how to eat that much! Perhaps I should get a nutritionist.0 -
Edit: Nevermind0
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use this calculator:
http://scoobysworkshop.com/accurate-calorie-calculator/
imo:
for #5: pick 5-6 hours / strenuous.
for #6 select 15%/weight loss. 20% at the absolute max, but really, 15%.
for #8, they're all pretty similar. go with Mifflin (based on other threads i've read)
leave calibration factor empty.
if you know your body fat%, enter it.
Scroll down for 3 numbers:
1) BMR - how many calories you'd burn if you were in a hospital bed all day
2) TDEE - how many calories you need to maintain weight, based on your chosen activity level, etc.
3) Goal Calories - based on that 15% reduction you entered earlier, this is how you actually lose weight.
And... now you have a number. Is it right? Depends on your body. But it's a start. If you are ridiculously good at keeping to that exact goal, you could then use the calibration factor after a month to get even more personalized results, but i can't imagine anyone being that exact. So... just use it as a guide. If you're losing about the amount of weight per month (not per week, too short to tell) you want, you're on the right track.
i found i was eating at least 500 calories less than i should be.
Re: Supplements. They are worth the money if they help you get through your exercise as placebos and if you don't mind if they might not have any actual effect. Some might. Some certainly don't. But if the action of taking them gets your head straight, then imo they're worth the money. Once you get into your routine and are sticking to a diet/exercise regime phase them out. I think some things, like electrolyte replacement, are definitely important. But 'fad' chemicals/natural ingredients are far less likely to actually be anything.
Based on that it says I should eat 2331 for TDEE. Honestly, I don't think that is physically possible for me. Does that amount sound right?
Yes that sounds about right. Now eat 1864 calories a day. (Thats TDEE -20%). When you calculated your TDEE I assume you included all your exercise? If you did then just eat that amount daily and keep exercising. On this method if you use MFP to track exercise either ignore the extra exercise calories or give yourself 1 calorie for the exercise. If you chose lightly active when calculating your TDEE then eat back your exercise calories so enter them as accurately as you can! Make sense?0 -
use this calculator:
http://scoobysworkshop.com/accurate-calorie-calculator/
imo:
for #5: pick 5-6 hours / strenuous.
for #6 select 15%/weight loss. 20% at the absolute max, but really, 15%.
for #8, they're all pretty similar. go with Mifflin (based on other threads i've read)
leave calibration factor empty.
if you know your body fat%, enter it.
Scroll down for 3 numbers:
1) BMR - how many calories you'd burn if you were in a hospital bed all day
2) TDEE - how many calories you need to maintain weight, based on your chosen activity level, etc.
3) Goal Calories - based on that 15% reduction you entered earlier, this is how you actually lose weight.
And... now you have a number. Is it right? Depends on your body. But it's a start. If you are ridiculously good at keeping to that exact goal, you could then use the calibration factor after a month to get even more personalized results, but i can't imagine anyone being that exact. So... just use it as a guide. If you're losing about the amount of weight per month (not per week, too short to tell) you want, you're on the right track.
i found i was eating at least 500 calories less than i should be.
Re: Supplements. They are worth the money if they help you get through your exercise as placebos and if you don't mind if they might not have any actual effect. Some might. Some certainly don't. But if the action of taking them gets your head straight, then imo they're worth the money. Once you get into your routine and are sticking to a diet/exercise regime phase them out. I think some things, like electrolyte replacement, are definitely important. But 'fad' chemicals/natural ingredients are far less likely to actually be anything.
Based on that it says I should eat 2331 for TDEE. Honestly, I don't think that is physically possible for me. Does that amount sound right?
Yes that sounds about right. Now eat 1864 calories a day. (Thats TDEE -20%). When you calculated your TDEE I assume you included all your exercise? If you did then just eat that amount daily and keep exercising. On this method if you use MFP to track exercise either ignore the extra exercise calories or give yourself 1 calorie for the exercise. If you chose lightly active when calculating your TDEE then eat back your exercise calories so enter them as accurately as you can! Make sense?
Yes 100% makes sense now. Hm. I would have no choice but to increase my fat content to get that amount calories. HELLLOOOO HUMMUS and YOGURT. lol0 -
I'm not expert, but after a cursory review of several days of your food journal, my first question is, what is your BMR? I'm 5'6" and only weigh a few pounds more than you do right now (about 3), and my BMR is just under 1400. I'm breastfeeding a 10-mo, so I need to add another 300 calories, and I eat back most of my exercise calories, so most days I eat almost 2000 calories.
You're not breastfeeding, so you probably need at least 1500 calories minimum (educated guess here), plus more if you're exercising. Do some research on TDEE. If you are eating below your BMR, you will not lose weight. Your body will go into starvation mode and slow down your metabolism. I knew a lady (she was obese) who didn't get hunger pangs, so she would get busy and forget to eat. When she started eating regularly, she would start losing weight.
I think you've got a great workout routine, and for the most part, I think you're doing fine with the diet (except for not getting enough calories). I'm vegetarian too, and I am not one of those "must get enough protein" people. If you eat a variety, you'll get enough. And you're not heavy lifting, which, IMO, is the one big reason to really up your protein. But yeah, just eat some more! You might gain a pound or two, but once your body gets out of starvation mode, your metabolism will speed up and you'll start losing steadily again.0 -
When I did TDEE for myself I picked light activity so I don't add house cleaning, and shopping as exercise but everything else I log as exercise. So I end up eating way more on exercise days. I prefer this method but both do work. I am 35, 176.6lbs, 5'7 with a desk job. I eat 1550 calories on non-exercise days (which is -20% of my lightly active TDEE) then I eat back most of my exercise calories.
Don't forget to recalculate your TDEE every 5-10lbs lost! AND Be patient, it might take a couple weeks for your body to adjust.0 -
Also please remember ...Initially you MIGHT gain weight / stay the same .........I personally didn't but I have read that others did using the TDEE method.....patience is the key.0
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I'm not expert, but after a cursory review of several days of your food journal, my first question is, what is your BMR? I'm 5'6" and only weigh a few pounds more than you do right now (about 3), and my BMR is just under 1400. I'm breastfeeding a 10-mo, so I need to add another 300 calories, and I eat back most of my exercise calories, so most days I eat almost 2000 calories.
You're not breastfeeding, so you probably need at least 1500 calories minimum (educated guess here), plus more if you're exercising. Do some research on TDEE. If you are eating below your BMR, you will not lose weight. Your body will go into starvation mode and slow down your metabolism. I knew a lady (she was obese) who didn't get hunger pangs, so she would get busy and forget to eat. When she started eating regularly, she would start losing weight.
I think you've got a great workout routine, and for the most part, I think you're doing fine with the diet (except for not getting enough calories). I'm vegetarian too, and I am not one of those "must get enough protein" people. If you eat a variety, you'll get enough. And you're not heavy lifting, which, IMO, is the one big reason to really up your protein. But yeah, just eat some more! You might gain a pound or two, but once your body gets out of starvation mode, your metabolism will speed up and you'll start losing steadily again.
Thank you for your input. I concur with you as well as everyone else I need to increase my caloric intake.
I am 5'2".0 -
A little advise. If you do decide to change your calorie intake (say you decide to move to a TDEE -20% method), please understand that for the first month of that change you body will instinctively gain weight until it is acclimated to the new level of calories. Sometimes it really discourages people and they come back and say "I changed to TDEE method and now I'm gaining"...you will at first, because your body is use to operating on much less, it will convert the "new" surplus to fat until it acclimates.0
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Patience! Eek. One thing I am horrible with but I am working on. Not just in fitness either.
Thanks all! I really like the way this thread turned out and has been very helpful.0 -
Patience! Eek. One thing I am horrible with but I am working on. Not just in fitness either.
Thanks all! I really like the way this thread turned out and has been very helpful.
It's why I don't usually recommend people to jump to a TDEE method...I usually recommend people up their intake in 100 calorie daily increments (so the shock doesn't devour their ambition)...also, alot of people find they can stop somewhere in the middle of what mfp suggests and their actual TDEE, but each person is different.
Do what you are comfortable with, and whichever you decide, stick with it at least 1-2 months before you make any additional changes. Changing ONE thing at a time is what will let you "dial" in your body the best.0 -
Patience! Eek. One thing I am horrible with but I am working on. Not just in fitness either.
Thanks all! I really like the way this thread turned out and has been very helpful.
I'm actually really surprised on how this thread went. I only suggested getting out my popcorn because typically "the fitness buffs" in the forums usually eat anyone and everyone alive either aren't that don't eat enough and/or take diet supplements. I had my share of negativity from "the fitness buffs." However, having said that about "the fitness buffs" tend to give very good advice underneath their crude bluntness.0 -
I thought I'd take a shot at your comment (not sure if it was answered) about 10% fat. That reminds me of the Eat More Weigh Less book by Dr. Dean Ornish. I think the book is good, but it's not perfect. I eat anywhere from 20-35% fat in my diet, and I get pretty close to what I need to with protein (if you accept my friend request, you'll be able to see my food diary).
From what I understand, carbs fuel cardio and protein fuels strength training. This is probably overly simplistic, but in a nutshell, that's what it's about. I eat an energy bar before my workouts that has about 19 carbs and 2 g of protein (and 2 of fat--I could be wrong on the numbers, but you can look at my diary to check). However, I'm doing mostly cardio. I am toying with the idea of lifting sometime, if we can get some good weights, and at that point, I would probably add a protein shake or something, because I simply cannot get more than about 60-70 g of protein in my diet without completely overhauling it (not practical right now).
I joined MFP about 3 weeks ago. In that time, I've lost several pounds (my ticker isn't accurate--I weighted myself during the day and recorded that, and it wouldn't let me change it the next morning). What I'm doing is working. I'm getting stronger. I can feel it. My endurance is good. I've lost about a pound a week in the last two weeks, and I don't feel hungry once my caloric needs have been met.
Fat keeps you full longer. Exactly what your balance of fat should be will depend on your needs. It's true that fat takes fewer calories to store than carbs or protein, which is why lowering it will help you lose weight. Eating too much protein (especially animal sources) isn't ealthy--and I know most people will argue this point, but as one vegetarian to another, please know it's okay. You probably need 40-60 g of protein for how you're training. If you were doing heavy weights, you would definitely need more. But don't worry about the 30/30/40 or whatever that is. You can go to My Home > Goals > Change Goals and adjust the percentages of your macros (that's carbs, protein, and fat).
Just thinking about it, I'm guessing that you have been trying to keep your carbs AND fat down, and since you aren't eating tons of protein, that might be why you have been not getting enough calories. If it were me, I'd not worry about the carbs. I mean, make sure they are healthy and all that (whole grains are far superior to white anything, and fiber is a carb but doesn't get digested so it can be subtracted from the total carbs to get net carbs). I just checked, and your fiber is low. You might try to figure out how to get more of it. Beans are a good way. They have good carbs, lots of protein, and lots of fiber. Triple whammy right there! Especially black
So I guess now you need to try some things and see what happens. Oh, and keep up with the workouts. You're doing awesome!0 -
When I did TDEE for myself I picked light activity so I don't add house cleaning, and shopping as exercise but everything else I log as exercise. So I end up eating way more on exercise days. I prefer this method but both do work. I am 35, 176.6lbs, 5'7 with a desk job. I eat 1550 calories on non-exercise days (which is -20% of my lightly active TDEE) then I eat back most of my exercise calories.
Don't forget to recalculate your TDEE every 5-10lbs lost! AND Be patient, it might take a couple weeks for your body to adjust.
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