Sugar from fruits!

What is with all the sugar postings lately??!! If all your sugar is coming from fruit, then that's fantastic! (note: some vegetables have sugar in them too.) But it still counts as your sugar intake! DO NOT eat foods with added sugar. Make your own sauces. There is no reason for sugar to be found in bread or pasta sauce. Sugar is sugar and too much of anything is not good for you!! (Ok, rant over.) But seriously, if your sugar levels are not elevated, if you are losing weight and you feel well, then keep doing what you're doing. If you begin to stall and everything else in your diet is healthy, cut back on the fruits. By the way, one banana = 2 fruits. So really, you are eating 4 fruits a day on top of whatever other sugar is in your food ("natural" or not). For me, that would make my weight loss stall.

Weird and illogical response. "Too much of anything is bad for you" - of course, but we're already counting calories here. She's not eating too much of anything. I agree with reducing added sugars, but that's along the same goals as reducing calories. Plus, no tomato sauce or bread on the planet won't have sugar. Tomatoes = fruit = sugar. Bread needs sugar for the yeast to eat.
And there is zero reason that 4 fruit servings a day would make your weight loss stall...that sounds like nonsense. If it's incorporated in your daily calories, you'll lose.

oranges and kiwis have a high amount of acid and several servings will start to eat away your stomach lining over time and create ulcers

Can you PLEASE post SOME kind of evidence to back up a statement like this? Unless one has gastritis, gastric reflux or some other issue already present, I have never heard of such a thing.

The obesity researchers who are looking into the connection between fructose and obesity believe that it is important for obese individuals to restrict fructose (the primary sugar in fruit) to 15 grams a day. They recommend that non-obese individuals restrict their fructose to 25 grams per day. Having said that, the primary source of fructose, in the standard diet, is from eating sugary foods (sucrose, i.e. table sugar is 50% fructose) and processed foods (which virtually all contain added sugars). The amount of fructose in a can of "orange" soda is roughly equivalent to the amount of fructose in 10 oranges. It is important to remember that the fructose in fruits is encased in fiber and it is released more slowly into the bloodstream because of that. It isn't that our bodies are not capable of dealing with fructose, it is that large amounts at once seem to overwhelm the body's capacity to deal with it. Fructose is metabolized in much the same way as is alcohol, by the way. A little alcohol in one glass of wine does not harm the body (and some studies suggest it may well be beneficial). But drinking a bottle of wine overwhelms the body's ability to handle it and the deleterious effects are quite obvious rather quickly. The same is true of eating a lot of fructose in the form of sugar consumption.

I would say that a normal intake of fruit is probably quite safe (although there is some evidence that "fruitarian" diets--where nothing but fruit is eaten---are problematic). But, if you are obese and trying to lose weight, it may be wise to limit the amount of fructose to 15 grams per day. Glucose and galactose (the other two monosaccharides contained in our diets) do not seem to have the same deleterious effects as does too much fructose. Unfortunately, MFP does not have a separate tracking of fructose in the database. I calculate mine manually. Hope this has been helpful.

The body doesn't differentiate. Sugar is sugar. All pretty much broken down the same way be it an apple or a snickers.

This is what the producers of "corn sugar" (HFCS) want you to believe but there is AMPLE scientific evidence that our bodies process fructose differently from glucose, lactose, and other sugars. The body DOES differentiate. For an explanation of the digestion of sugars watch http://www.uctv.tv/shows/Sugar-The-Bitter-Truth-16717

The obesity researchers who are looking into the connection between fructose and obesity believe that it is important for obese individuals to restrict fructose (the primary sugar in fruit) to 15 grams a day. They recommend that non-obese individuals restrict their fructose to 25 grams per day. Having said that, the primary source of fructose, in the standard diet, is from eating sugary foods (sucrose, i.e. table sugar is 50% fructose) and processed foods (which virtually all contain added sugars). The amount of fructose in a can of "orange" soda is roughly equivalent to the amount of fructose in 10 oranges. It is important to remember that the fructose in fruits is encased in fiber and it is released more slowly into the bloodstream because of that. It isn't that our bodies are not capable of dealing with fructose, it is that large amounts at once seem to overwhelm the body's capacity to deal with it. Fructose is metabolized in much the same way as is alcohol, by the way. A little alcohol in one glass of wine does not harm the body (and some studies suggest it may well be beneficial). But drinking a bottle of wine overwhelms the body's ability to handle it and the deleterious effects are quite obvious rather quickly. The same is true of eating a lot of fructose in the form of sugar consumption.

I would say that a normal intake of fruit is probably quite safe (although there is some evidence that "fruitarian" diets--where nothing but fruit is eaten---are problematic). But, if you are obese and trying to lose weight, it may be wise to limit the amount of fructose to 15 grams per day. Glucose and galactose (the other two monosaccharides contained in our diets) do not seem to have the same deleterious effects as does too much fructose. Unfortunately, MFP does not have a separate tracking of fructose in the database. I calculate mine manually. Hope this has been helpful.

Do you have an research links to show this?

You will not get fat from fruit unless your total overall calorie intake day to day is over your TDEE. Fruit will not cause you to gain weight provided overall you are at a calorie deficit.

If this were the case, I wouldn't be losing weight each week. I am classified as obese and regularly consume double to triple (if not more) than 15g of sugar from fruits daily.

"...Sugars to avoid: Lactose (milk sugar) no fiber in milk to slow absorption ( or drink with caution, it is also a food choice not a drink choice), fruit juices (see above), artificial sweeteners ( can cause other health issues), corn syrup ( again stripped of natural casing {corn it is derived from} ), agave nectar ( can be just as caloric as refined white sugar), and refined white sugar..."

Lactose (which the body rapidly converts to galactose in the gut) is slowed in its transmission by the presence of fat, (and also protein) so it really isn't much of a problem as long as you are not eating "no-fat" dairy products. There is some evidence that consuming skim milk worsens Type II diabetes--so there could well be a blood sugar issue when fat is not a part of dairy consumption. Human milk is higher in lactose (and fat) than is cow's milk (and babies thrive on it). I agree with the rest of your post.

Ahh, yes, but most people do not consume full fat milk, and the lactose sugars can be an irritant to the system. They have a sugar-fat- protein ratio that messes with the metabolism, the sugars are still released too fast in the system, and animal fat is too high. Yes human milk is higher in lactose, and fat (this is because it is a {food} for a growing infant) Children who are growing at such a rapid rate (babies) need the extras that our adult body does not need because we are no longer growing at rapid rates in which the extra energy is needed within the cells.

The obesity researchers who are looking into the connection between fructose and obesity believe that it is important for obese individuals to restrict fructose (the primary sugar in fruit) to 15 grams a day. They recommend that non-obese individuals restrict their fructose to 25 grams per day. Having said that, the primary source of fructose, in the standard diet, is from eating sugary foods (sucrose, i.e. table sugar is 50% fructose) and processed foods (which virtually all contain added sugars). The amount of fructose in a can of "orange" soda is roughly equivalent to the amount of fructose in 10 oranges. It is important to remember that the fructose in fruits is encased in fiber and it is released more slowly into the bloodstream because of that. It isn't that our bodies are not capable of dealing with fructose, it is that large amounts at once seem to overwhelm the body's capacity to deal with it. Fructose is metabolized in much the same way as is alcohol, by the way. A little alcohol in one glass of wine does not harm the body (and some studies suggest it may well be beneficial). But drinking a bottle of wine overwhelms the body's ability to handle it and the deleterious effects are quite obvious rather quickly. The same is true of eating a lot of fructose in the form of sugar consumption.

I would say that a normal intake of fruit is probably quite safe (although there is some evidence that "fruitarian" diets--where nothing but fruit is eaten---are problematic). But, if you are obese and trying to lose weight, it may be wise to limit the amount of fructose to 15 grams per day. Glucose and galactose (the other two monosaccharides contained in our diets) do not seem to have the same deleterious effects as does too much fructose. Unfortunately, MFP does not have a separate tracking of fructose in the database. I calculate mine manually. Hope this has been helpful.

"...Sugars to avoid: Lactose (milk sugar) no fiber in milk to slow absorption ( or drink with caution, it is also a food choice not a drink choice), fruit juices (see above), artificial sweeteners ( can cause other health issues), corn syrup ( again stripped of natural casing {corn it is derived from} ), agave nectar ( can be just as caloric as refined white sugar), and refined white sugar..."

Lactose (which the body rapidly converts to galactose in the gut) is slowed in its transmission by the presence of fat, (and also protein) so it really isn't much of a problem as long as you are not eating "no-fat" dairy products. There is some evidence that consuming skim milk worsens Type II diabetes--so there could well be a blood sugar issue when fat is not a part of dairy consumption. Human milk is higher in lactose (and fat) than is cow's milk (and babies thrive on it). I agree with the rest of your post.

Ahh, yes, but most people do not consume full fat milk, and the lactose sugars can be an irritant to the system. They have a sugar-fat- protein ratio that messes with the metabolism, the sugars are still released too fast in the system, and animal fat is too high. Yes human milk is higher in lactose, and fat (this is because it is a {food} for a growing infant) Children who are growing at such a rapid rate (babies) need the extras that our adult body does not need because we are no longer growing at rapid rates in which the extra energy is needed within the cells.

I consume ONLY full fat organic dairy (but not even a lot of that because I am restricting to 1,360 calories per day). For those who don't have a lactase deficiency (and you would KNOW if you did---the effects are NOT pleasant when lactose is consumed in the absence of sufficient lactase) full fat dairy products are a good addition to the diet. There is a satiety factor there that is hard to beat. There have been some studies which show that those who consume full-fat dairy have less of a tendency to regain lost weight.

This is true, but again we are talking about better sugar choices, and that puts dairy out. Simply it is released to quickly into the blood stream to be healthy in the sugars department. Most people treat milk as a drink instead of a food. It is a food designed to assist mammal infants with the essentials for rapid cell division and growth. This requires a lot of energy, and fat. We do not need this as adults who no longer need to support super fast cell growth. Also, I believe since we are not baby cows, we do not need baby cow food. Each species of mammal requires different levels of the important stuff. Baby cow juice is meant for baby cows. Baby homosapiens need baby homosapien food (mother's milk). It is consumed by us b/c we like it, not b/c we need it. If you look at studies cows milk is one of the most common food allergies in childhood. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12487202 I believe it is because it is NOT designed for our mammal body, but for the cows. Like I said before it is super irritating to the digestive system. In order for our metabolism to function at it's best, and for our hormones (which are important to our metabolism) to stay in line so our bodies can reach there natural weight (right for you weight) we have to eliminate the things that cause our liver (bodies filter) to have to work harder. Our liver has to work too hard to remove toxins, irritants, and figure out how to break down GMO foods than we store what it can not keep up with in white fat for it to deal with later. This makes it harder to get rid of the bad fat in our body. You know the stuff that collects around our mid-section, and thighs (We all love that right?) Dairy is one of these things that uses too much of our precious livers time, and resources. Make better use of the live eliminate irritants. Wheat (too genetically modified for the body to see it as wheat anymore. It sees it as an irritant). Corn (again genetically modified, and promotes fat marbling in muscle, Way too high in sugar, and not nutritionally valuable), Dairy (reasons above), Soy (genetically modified, and contains plant estrogens that too closely match ours, and could raise your natural levels too high, Refined sugars (self explanatory {if it is refined, or enriched it was stripped of it's natural housing}), Caffeine (it is a stimulate that raises hormone levels and throws the body out of whack for optimal metabolism), Alcohol (uses too much of the precious liver function that could be better used for other things, fruit juices, and dried fruit ( delivers too much sugar to the system too quick), and finally diet foods, or artificial sweeteners ( they are missing important natural parts of the housing it was supposed to be eaten in), Peanuts (exposed to too many afalatoxins, and molds. can trigger to many bad reactions)

I always eat fruits during the day and since I started MFP I noticed that I am always "red" on sugar...I had a look from were it came and most of it comes from the fruits....I always eat a banana for breakfast and for my 2 snacks during the day I usually eat an apple, orange, kiwi or melon. My question for u guys, do you think that's too much sugar from 3 fruits a day?
Banana in the morning, 1 fruit around 12:00 and second around 16:00.
I try to have a clean diet most of the time so I am talking about days when I really eat healthy and I don't eat any other sweets.