Why you gain weight if you eat more than your cut

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  • vicky_b329
    vicky_b329 Posts: 24
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    So informative! Thanks! :)
  • DopeItUp
    DopeItUp Posts: 18,771 Member
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    Great post. Water retention is a funny thing, most people never seem to consider it. That's why we have a hundred freak-out threads a week. "I had a cheat day and I gained 5lbs!" Well, if you think about it for more than 3 seconds, you'll realize you probably didn't eat 17500 calories over your maintenance. All those carbs (and sodium) just causes a bunch of water retention. Not a big deal. Same story with this thread and eating at maintenance. Personally that's why I hate using weight as a measurement, it doesn't mean much. Wish there were a way to easily and accurately measure bodyfat percentage, that would be a lot more helpful to your actual progress.
  • djkronyx
    djkronyx Posts: 77 Member
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    Great post! Thanks!
  • victorialkay
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    I answered someone in another topic and it was suggested to me that I give my response its own thread. It seems this is new information for a lot of people and it could potentially relieve a lot of anxiety about weight gain when increasing calories. So for anyone who thinks, "But 1700 calories IS my maintenance amount!" Or, "I must just have a really slow metabolism because when I go over 1200 I gain." ... this post is for you.

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    The reason most people think they have to eat so little to maintain their weight is because our bodies naturally store glycogen and water in our muscles. This is the body's ready energy. When you eat at a caloric deficit, the glycogen stores (and the water molecules they must bind to in the cells) are shed first. That's why you get a big loss the first week of any diet. You just depleted your glycogen stores and now the body has no choice but to resort to fat in a continued caloric deficit.

    So you keep up your deficit and your body is burning both glucose from the food you're eating and fat from your body (and some lean mass because you're in a deficit and that will just happen anyway) and you finally get to a weight you like. So you increase your calories to stop losing...

    Or, you just decide to ditch the caloric deficit for a weekend of eating without discretion...

    Or Christmas rolls around or you go on vacation and you eat to satisfaction and maybe a touch more...

    ... and you find you almost instantly put on 5 lbs.

    All that has happened is your body has restored its glycogen stores and the water that glycogen must be stored with. In fact, trained endurance athletes will deliberately store extra glycogen by carb-loading before major events in order to have more energy for sustained effort. The body will, under perfect conditions, store this energy for use. It's part of being human.

    So suppose you want to maintain your weight at 125 lbs. You diet down to 125 and then think, "Awesome! I will diligently increase my calories to maintenance." So you were eating 1700 calories/day to lose and you increase to 2000 calories daily... and after 1 week you've put on 1.5 lbs... so you cut back down to 1800 and your weight stays the same but now you're at 126.5... but you want to be 125lbs, so now you're just pissed off. So you go back down to 1500 calories for a week and you get back down to 125lbs. Then you increase by only 100 calories/day for a week and your weight stays the same... so you do it again... and you stay the same. You think, "Yay! I'm maintaining!"... And any time you eat over 1800 calories daily you start to gain again.

    Why?

    Because your body just wants 5 lbs of glycogen stores. The solution? Cut down to 5 lbs under your target weight and then eat at maintenance. Your body will rebound up to a healthy non-glycogen-depleted state and you'll be able to maintain relatively effortlessly and eat more food.

    Okay, sorry... that was long-winded. I just cringe at the number of people who think they have to eat so little to maintain.

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    So now having thought about my answer for another day or so, I do want to also say this:

    1) I have no formal education in this field.
    2) I believe how much glycogen is stored is relative to the amount of lean mass on a body. A 100lb person may store 2-3 lbs while a 250lb person could probably store up to 7-8lbs when combined with the water.
    3) If your goal weight is unreasonably low because of ED, I am not recommending you cut to 5 lbs less than that

    So with that said... feel free to discuss, rebuke, relax...
    i will admit, I was 1 of these girls all my life who was doing starvation diets and I must of lost and gained back around 15 stone, good god!!! 2 years ago, I thought I finally had it and was starting to look leaner, get fitter and healthier. I did go down on the scales but it was more down to how my clothes fitted and my inches and body fat. I let the stupid scales get in the way and in the end, I gained back weight. I am only just over the last few months starting to really understand what you talk about here and I do weigh but if I put weight on, I don't care as long as I am going down in inches and my bodyfat is moving down (which it is)

    I'm so much happier!!! Great advice!!!
  • ivydiaz1983
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    Bump! Mega Bump! This is some good info here :)
  • coffee4me57
    coffee4me57 Posts: 195
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    Thanks!
  • sarahstrezo
    sarahstrezo Posts: 568 Member
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    Great post. Water retention is a funny thing, most people never seem to consider it. That's why we have a hundred freak-out threads a week. "I had a cheat day and I gained 5lbs!" Well, if you think about it for more than 3 seconds, you'll realize you probably didn't eat 17500 calories over your maintenance. All those carbs (and sodium) just causes a bunch of water retention. Not a big deal. Same story with this thread and eating at maintenance. Personally that's why I hate using weight as a measurement, it doesn't mean much. Wish there were a way to easily and accurately measure bodyfat percentage, that would be a lot more helpful to your actual progress.

    I agree that a body fat % goal is much better than a scale weight goal. Even though my original goal weight was 125lbs....I hit that last year with cardio alone. However, I was still not happy with how my body looked. At that point, I was still about 24% body fat. That's when i started heavy lifting and eating more. The reason I'm not sweating my 2lb 'gain' since being on maintenance is because that 2lb gain did not effect my now 20% body fat at all. I have no interest in cutting down to 123 to be able to maintain at 125 because I prefer how I look at 20% body fat, regardless of what the scale says.
  • jmzz1
    jmzz1 Posts: 670 Member
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    Bump for later reading
  • xjckemx
    xjckemx Posts: 95 Member
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    Hi, I've only been on maintenance 2 weeks and actually didn't up Calories too much as wanted to do if slow. I've already put back 1.5 llbs out of a 9 llb loss! It's took about 3 months to lose the 9 llb and I want to maintain at 112 llbs. But what yr saying I need to do is lose a bit more first say another 3 -4 llb! To be able to maintain ish at 112! I do understand the science of it, it just makes me sad I've got to lose more as these 9 llbs were such hard work!! Hope i haven't mis understood!!

    Unfortunately, yes. That's what I'm saying :frown: ... but if you do it, and get down to maybe 109-110, that may be enough. If you're that tiny, I don't think you're going to store a whole lot of glycogen. But once you're maintaining at 112 lbs with your body all fueled up, you're going to feel like a million bucks.

    Thank you, that does make sense. I'm gonna give it a go! Great information thanks
  • jennifershoo
    jennifershoo Posts: 3,198 Member
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    Thanks for posting this!
  • NovemberJune
    NovemberJune Posts: 2,525 Member
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    Bump !!!
  • Cutemisscoco
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    Needed to read this today, thanks! :flowerforyou:
  • Strangegirlz
    Strangegirlz Posts: 92 Member
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    Hey someone sent me this link a while ago, I think it's a good explanation of what you are talking about with regards to water and glygogen storage
    http://www.justinowings.com/understanding-bodyweight-and-glycogen-de/
  • nagniho
    nagniho Posts: 132 Member
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    Great Read!! Thanks for posting...makes so much sense. Will show it to a friend who is currently freakin' out:-)
  • amandal00
    amandal00 Posts: 59 Member
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    Makes sense, thanks!!
  • ironanimal
    ironanimal Posts: 5,922 Member
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    Bless this post.
  • aprilcarlson
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    Bump. Thank you:smile:
  • 31prvrbs
    31prvrbs Posts: 687 Member
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    So true! I always make clients go about 5lbs *below* goal, and *stabilize* there, before going up to maintenance....otherwise it's like being on a seesaw and they just don't get why they keep "regaining"

    Always love your posts, girl :smooched:
  • LaurenAOK
    LaurenAOK Posts: 2,475 Member
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    Bump so more people will see this!
  • parys1
    parys1 Posts: 2,064 Member
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    Very interesting post :-)