Doctor says eating below BMR is fine
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Simple answer here for you.
Consult your doctor if you wish....hell, let him/her make your entire diet for you!
Sweet...good luck!
Please do report back in 6 months when you've lost all your weight, haven't binged, have sustained your muscle, and look like an olympic athlete.
Oh and quit making posts for the sole reason to create a heated debate....since that's really what this is about!
Why do people get so upset when anyone posts something that goes against the majority? is it not in the rules or something? are we back in Nazi Germany here? i havnt posted anything to provoke 'heated debate', if thats your reaction to it i suggest its more you with the problem than me, i posted something that i thought worthwhile sharing for others out there with the same anxietys as me when reading 'never eat below bmr your going to explode) i havnt said anything is right or wrong, i havnt said you must do this and you must never do that, ironically enough thats exactly what the 'eat bmr' crowd do though, but because its what the majority agree with its fine.
I'm not upset, I can just recognize when a post is genuinely trying to incite argument, with alot of anecdotal statements and claims that something is right or wrong.....
The truth is you don't know. The truth is people react differently...that has nothing to do with your opening post. You went to alot of trouble writing a wall of text about things that don't matter...
Your message is "Eat below your BMR...it rocks" And while you may be ok with it, that is not a message I would personally advertise. You wanna do it...Cool, rock on!
Well you obviously cant recognize when a post is trying to incite argument at all seeing as that wasnt what i was doing at all, whether you care to accept that or not i honestly couldnt give a monkeys toss, i dont know you and you certainly dont know me so how about we top trying to pretend we know what the others motives are when we a actually havnt the foggiest yeah? good good.
Secondly, ive never claimed to know, where have i said i know whats right and what isnt? its YOU and people like YOU who say these things, its people like YOU who scare the weight loss community into crunching numbers when you have no idea if they need to, you DONT know if everyone absolutely must eat their bmr for healthy weight loss, as you've just admitted, so why get upset when i post what my doctor has informed me? surely if you dont know then why would it irritate you so much when i post it?? seems very odd.
SIGH, NO, my message isnt "eat below bmr it rocks" can you not even read? what i HAVE said is what IVE been doing is eating below bmr whilst on a diet and havng been to the doctor ive been told what IM doing is fine, now if you dont agree with that thats absolutely marvellous whoopdy dooo! but dont start throwing your knickers around in fury because its a concept you dont agree with despite in your own words admitting "i dont know nobody knows".
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Just a quicky - your meal plan posted earlier - apart from a few salad bits, where are the veggies - you know - the ones with all the nutrients?
Thats was a brief example of what i had today, not what i have every day, sorry if that was unclear, most days my main meal will consist of some form of cabbage, some carrots, maybe peas, broccoli etc today it didint, am i going to die a horrible death now? should i run down to tesco and binge in the vegetable section??
Don't play dumb - it was just a question. You said it was a typical day so I asked.
I know, i was joking with you, a sense of humour never killed anyone even if eating below ones bmr does!0 -
Doctors and pcp's, in most cases, know the bare minimum, if anything at all, about nutrition and a body's nutritional needs.
You need to see a dietitian or nutritionist to get proffesionally recommended help catered to your body.
I will not give you my personal opinion on what you should or shouldn't be eating, because I am neither.
This...you nailed this one right on the head.0 -
Dude. I am 16 inches shorter than you are, nearly 100 lbs lighter, 5 years older, and I'm a chick. And I eat as much as you do. And I'm losing weight. Eat more.
P.S. Some doctors are idiots.
This.
I am 6'4 as well, 233 pounds, 19 years old, I am droping ~1 pound per week at 4100 calories a day. I don't see how you could possibly be satisfied eating that little calories in a 24 hour period
Christ on a bike 4100 calories a day!? you must be exercising and working like mad bro, if i ate 4100 a day id put on about 2lbs a week given my lifestyle, basically just another example of not everything working the same for everyone.0 -
1600-2000 calories is fine.0
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1600-2000 calories is fine.
It's all based on the individual, personally 1600-2000 I couldn't lose a pound, bumped that to 3000-3500 and I dropped on average 1 lb for a total of 45 lbs. No weight gain, no cravings, no hunger.0 -
crikey!!! I MUST remember that doctors know NOTHING of health!! I suppose lawyers know nothing about the law either and midwives know nothing about childbirth.....I suppose shopkeepers know nothing about shop-keeping. Wow, what IS the point of anyone learning anything about the profession the want to do if they obviously learn NOTHING in the process of the learning??
As for the starvation mode thingy, I am very grateful to the opening poster for this feed, I always wonder how people on lighter life actually manage to lose weight the way they do....surely (of anyone) THEY should be in starvation mode!!!
All doctors don't know everything about the body, just like all lawyers don't know everything about the law or all shopkeepers know everything about shopkeeping. If you want a divorce, you go to a family law lawyer, not a corporate lawyer. If you want to know about running a bar, you don't go to a shoe store shopkeeper. If you want to know about nutrition, don't expect your GP to tell you anything groundbreaking.
My boyfriend is in medical school. They get approximately a week of lectures on nutrition. These classes are taught by licensed dietitians, not doctors. A good doctor will refer you to someone who actually did study nutrition in depth: a licensed dietitian.
I would say that a gp has a much better understanding of nutrition than then general public (or quasi experts) on here do. Another thing to remember a drs training dosnt end at the completion of medical school and yes, drs specialise in very different subjects i.e an obstetrician would have difficulty in treating a broken leg, but a GP has training in a lot of different fields and one thing they have had to become experts in is knowing how to deal with obesity in the general public. There might well be other drs with more specialized knowledge, but for general, common or garden every day stuff...TRUST YOUR GP...if they dont know it, they should refer!!0 -
Duration is important. The starvation diet, you know the Minnesota one you've obviously read considering you've read hundreds of studies regarding this query where they were pretty much reduced to babbling idiots with severe emotional distress and depression after 24 weeks, and one cut off 3 fingers, their sex drive went in the toilet, their BMR was reduced drastically, some had exhibited edema in their extremities and these were smaller guys than you consuming 1560 calories, eventually they would have died of starvation. Maybe mention that to your Dr. for future reference.
Cool story bro..
Right answer me this, if a person were in the dreaded "starvation mode" you so 'scarily' proclaim that person would be feeling pretty rough day to day yes? they'd be physically starving, no energy, feeling like crap basically everyday yeah? right i dont feel any of these things, i eat when im hungry and dont when im not a rather sensible Concept wouldn't you agree? what would be the point of me raiding the fridge in the middle of the night to consume 300 odd calories of food i have no appetite for just to make some online calculater (thats guessing my average bmr anyway) happy?? if eating 1700 cals a day for example had me suitably filled why would i want to pig down another 500 cals just for numbers sake, thats surely unhealthy seeing as your basically force feeding yourself based on a online calculater that isnt even 100% accurate in the first place.
Heres another one, im sure youve heard of a certain christian bale? movie star? well he went on a 4 month diet literally consisting of an apple, a small can of tuna and a cup of black coffee a day (you can look it up if you dont believe me)......thats it, that was his everyday meal for 4 months in prep for a movie, now unless that can of tuna was rather large or the apple had rather more calories than your everyday apple he most certainly was not eating his bmr agreed? ok now i may have missed it but i dont remember reading about him "biting his fingers off" "turning into a blabbering mess" "eventually dieing of starvation" im pretty sure on the last one seeing as hes been in movies quite recently.....so how do you explain this? a guy lives on a can of tuna and an apple a day for 4 months, he loses 60lbs of weight, he dosnt start turning into a zombie or some raving lunatic either, he simply loses weight, now unless your going to tell me he was meeting his bmr then your above post is nonsense, people go on crash diets all the time on well below 1500 cals, IM NOT saying thats healthy im saying its done, so stop scaremongering people ok and its actually more unhealthy to fret about numbers 24/7 than it is actually trying to lose the weight.0 -
Simple answer here for you.
Consult your doctor if you wish....hell, let him/her make your entire diet for you!
Sweet...good luck!
Please do report back in 6 months when you've lost all your weight, haven't binged, have sustained your muscle, and look like an olympic athlete.
Oh and quit making posts for the sole reason to create a heated debate....since that's really what this is about!
Why do people get so upset when anyone posts something that goes against the majority? is it not in the rules or something? are we back in Nazi Germany here? i havnt posted anything to provoke 'heated debate', if thats your reaction to it i suggest its more you with the problem than me, i posted something that i thought worthwhile sharing for others out there with the same anxietys as me when reading 'never eat below bmr your going to explode) i havnt said anything is right or wrong, i havnt said you must do this and you must never do that, ironically enough thats exactly what the 'eat bmr' crowd do though, but because its what the majority agree with its fine.
I'm not upset, I can just recognize when a post is genuinely trying to incite argument, with alot of anecdotal statements and claims that something is right or wrong.....
The truth is you don't know. The truth is people react differently...that has nothing to do with your opening post. You went to alot of trouble writing a wall of text about things that don't matter...
Your message is "Eat below your BMR...it rocks" And while you may be ok with it, that is not a message I would personally advertise. You wanna do it...Cool, rock on!
Well you obviously cant recognize when a post is trying to incite argument at all seeing as that wasnt what i was doing at all, whether you care to accept that or not i honestly couldnt give a monkeys toss, i dont know you and you certainly dont know me so how about we top trying to pretend we know what the others motives are when we a actually havnt the foggiest yeah? good good.
Secondly, ive never claimed to know, where have i said i know whats right and what isnt? its YOU and people like YOU who say these things, its people like YOU who scare the weight loss community into crunching numbers when you have no idea if they need to, you DONT know if everyone absolutely must eat their bmr for healthy weight loss, as you've just admitted, so why get upset when i post what my doctor has informed me? surely if you dont know then why would it irritate you so much when i post it?? seems very odd.
SIGH, NO, my message isnt "it below bmr it rocks" can you not even read? what i HAVE said is what IVE been doing is eating below bmr whilst on a diet and havng been to the doctor ive been told what IM doing is fine, now if you dont agree with that thats absolutely marvellous whoopdy dooo! but dont start throwing your knickers around in fury because its a concept you dont agree with despite in your own words admitting "i dont know nobody knows".
Rock on..
Yea I know, I'm soooo damn scary. I'm always bullying people all the time! Guess I just don't want people going on a VLCD because some dude comes in and thinks the more he writes the more it means. Then backs it up with "I asked a doctor" and "I read alot of stuff".
ETA: I haven't argued whether it is good/bad to eat below BMR, I've only said that's not what I would advertise if it were me.0 -
If you aren't already, take measurements and pictures as well as tracking weight. This will help you better track your body composition. Also track how much you can lift on your major lifts such as squats, bench presses, deadlifts, etc (or alternatively how many pushups, pullups etc you can do in a session if you only use bodyweight). This will track how strong your muscles are. If you start to see a decline in energy (how well you do cardio, or if you need more sleep), or in how much you can lift, then you are burning muscle and need to bump your calories ASAP. If you are able to maintain or increase your endurance and strength, and don't feel hungry or tired, then you are fine.
ETA: I think that BMR is a good starting point for people, particularly if they have no idea what to eat. Everyone will need to adjust from there. How many exercise calories do you eat back? All, some, none? Can you go higher than BMR and lose comfortably? Can you go lower? People do need to know to check measurements and strength though rather than just weight, particularly if they go under that number, so that they know when and if they are hurting themselves.0 -
Simple answer here for you.
Consult your doctor if you wish....hell, let him/her make your entire diet for you!
Sweet...good luck!
Please do report back in 6 months when you've lost all your weight, haven't binged, have sustained your muscle, and look like an olympic athlete.
Oh and quit making posts for the sole reason to create a heated debate....since that's really what this is about!
Why do people get so upset when anyone posts something that goes against the majority? is it not in the rules or something? are we back in Nazi Germany here? i havnt posted anything to provoke 'heated debate', if thats your reaction to it i suggest its more you with the problem than me, i posted something that i thought worthwhile sharing for others out there with the same anxietys as me when reading 'never eat below bmr your going to explode) i havnt said anything is right or wrong, i havnt said you must do this and you must never do that, ironically enough thats exactly what the 'eat bmr' crowd do though, but because its what the majority agree with its fine.
First, the title "Doctor says eating below BMR is fine" In the first line or two you said you knew this was a sensitive topic. Yet you posted it anyway. Why? Because you wanted attention? Because you wanted to show us "eat more" people we are wrong? Nazi Germany? Please, please ,please cite for me ONE thread that uses the hyperbole "never eat below bmr your going to explode" No, what you will find is people who use common sense and SCIENCE to show that it isn't healthy to eat below BMR. And I couldn't care less what you do or do not eat, you can go on a water diet and I wont say a word, until, you get on here trying to convince others that your misguided opinion is, in fact, correct. At that point I am going to call you out because you are spreading unhealthy crap to people who may be vulnerable enough to believe it. Im done here, but keep on telling it cause its a cool story Bro.
Why? why not? why am i not allowed to post something just because you dont agree with it? are you in charge or something? is there some rule whereby someone is not allowed to post something that dosnt go with the flow? if you seriously get wound up and upset by someone posting what they've been told by a doctor on weight loss simply because you dont agree id strongly suggest you take a look at yourself and ask why such a thing bothers you, thats a tad bit....weird and sounds bit unhealthy...bro.
Where have i said "eat more people are wrong" another one who cant read properly..i posted what I was told, not what i said was fact for everyone, why is this concept so hard for you to fathom??
Where is it science to suggest you shouldnt eat below bmr?? show me this science? someones already posted on here about nutritionist not even making a bid deal about this bmr stuff, i trust they know a lot more than you or i do, and as has been proven MANY times, MANY people eat below bmr and have perfectly healthy weight loss, just because YOU dont agree with that dosnt make it incorrect unless your telling me your a super dietician who knows it all if so please share your wisdom,,,
Whos trying to convince anyone of anything? it people like YOU who do this, this is the irony you so laughably fail to see, im not the one telling people what they should or shouldnt be doing, YOU ARE lol, with all this YOU MUST EAT YOUR BMR stuff, im doing no such thing, sorry....bro, but its people like you who scare people into doing things because YOU believe its right.0 -
It's a good idea to see your GP/other specialists and do your own research into issues rather than taking MFP forums at face value. Unfortunately most people don't know what they're talking about (me included). I don't really agree with the whole 'eat more to lose', but I do think if you eat a low calorie diet you should be eating a nutritionally dense one, for health purposes.0
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Dude. I am 16 inches shorter than you are, nearly 100 lbs lighter, 5 years older, and I'm a chick. And I eat as much as you do. And I'm losing weight. Eat more.
P.S. Some doctors are idiots.
She is teh hawtness too. I would listne to her.0 -
Listen to your doctor before anyone else...this is why they went to medical school. Good Luck!:laugh:0
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It's good you posted, but this is not news to me. I myself have noted that experts say it's all right to eat below your BMR. I feel bad when I read the "advice" provided by some people in the forum about "starvation mode" and the supposed need to eat more to lose weight.0
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If you aren't already, take measurements and pictures as well as tracking weight. This will help you better track your body composition. Also track how much you can lift on your major lifts such as squats, bench presses, deadlifts, etc (or alternatively how many pushups, pullups etc you can do in a session if you only use bodyweight). This will track how strong your muscles are. If you start to see a decline in energy (how well you do cardio, or if you need more sleep), or in how much you can lift, then you are burning muscle and need to bump your calories ASAP. If you are able to maintain or increase your endurance and strength, and don't feel hungry or tired, then you are fine.
ETA: I think that BMR is a good starting point for people, particularly if they have no idea what to eat. Everyone will need to adjust from there. How many exercise calories do you eat back? All, some, none? Can you go higher than BMR and lose comfortably? Can you go lower? People do need to know to check measurements and strength though rather than just weight, particularly if they go under that number, so that they know when and if they are hurting themselves.
Hey a post that isnt intimating i said something i didn't or getting oh so upset for me posting this topic!
Hey mate.
At the moment i dont go to a gym, im a carer for my mum so im home pretty much all the time (its not out of choice trust me), the exercise and weights i do are all at home, i brought myself some 25kilo dumbells (i think they are 25 kilo) and i use an exercise bike, i basically do multiple sets of curls and other strength moves with these weights, im also noticing im comfortable doing more push ups nearly everyday, which shows me my strength is improving not decreasing. Ive recently sent off for a body fat test caliper so i can take weekly measurements and monitor my fat loss but even without it i can see a visible reduction in fat from my stomach, my abs are now visible when they were not before and the scale is dropping, and im feeling perfectly comfortable doing it.
And i agree BMR is a good starting point, its what i used to figure out my overall TDEE and thats when i subtracted 1000 off that tdee for 2lbs a week loss which im doing, what i am not doing is eating my bmr which according to online calculators is 2200 but thats just a rough estimation of the average 6 feet 4 25 year old male at my weight, its not a 100% accurate reading and hence i dont view it as some godly must never go below figure, thats just me, im not saying thats right or wrong for everyone just its working for me.
I dont eat any back as such, ill eat a daily meal plan that consist of anything between 1600-2000 calories, its never the exact same every day but its within that frame everyday as a rough guide, as i said earlier i dont weigh and count every single calorie in my diet, it would drive me nuts! i just look to eat a healthy diet with a caloric deficit, ill work out that my bmr is 2200, my very sedentary lifestyle roughly burns another 300 and then my workouts roughly burn another 200 giving me a rough estimation of me burning around 2700 calories every day, and so ill eat my 1600-2000.
As far as i know ive never gone over my bmr since i started dieting, i havnt intentionally thats for sure, given my lifestyle if i did i wouldnt lose anything at all or what i would lose would be so minuscule it would be pointless, given my situation of needing to be home all the time and not being out and having access to a gym i dont burn what the average person my age would a day which i think also gets overlooked, everyone's lifestyle is different, im certainly not starving myself thats for sure in fact i feel very full at the end of everyday with no desire to binge whatsoever.0 -
Ill give you an example of my daily food intake:
Today:
Breakfast - bowl of porridge with full fat milk (mum needs the full fat so i have it)
Snack food - anything from a banana,apple,peach,grapes etc,
Lunch - 2 pieces of cooked salmon fillets with scrambled egg
Desert - 2 small activia yoghurt's
The ill do my workout about an hour or so later
Dinner - Turkey/chicken or tuna filled sandwich with tomatoes, lettuce, cucumber etc in normal bread with butter
Whether that specific daily meal gets me up to my 'bmr' number is irrelevant to me, if feels comfortable, im at no stage starving and im losing weight every week.
You're eating fine, but I'd try to get more produce and fiber in there, you need a better variety of nutrients. Treat yourself once in a while with a calorie-dense dessert or whatever other food you like. Also, take a multivitamin if you're not already.
But if you start to feel lightheaded, or see the scale stop moving, then something needs to change.0 -
i love how everyone is slandering doctors as if they are dumb as bricks. while they may not be as schooled in nutrition as a dietitian...they went to med school, and none of you did!
It IS amazing, isn't it?
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Ill give you an example of my daily food intake:
Today:
Breakfast - bowl of porridge with full fat milk (mum needs the full fat so i have it)
Snack food - anything from a banana,apple,peach,grapes etc,
Lunch - 2 pieces of cooked salmon fillets with scrambled egg
Desert - 2 small activia yoghurt's
The ill do my workout about an hour or so later
Dinner - Turkey/chicken or tuna filled sandwich with tomatoes, lettuce, cucumber etc in normal bread with butter
Whether that specific daily meal gets me up to my 'bmr' number is irrelevant to me, if feels comfortable, im at no stage starving and im losing weight every week.
You're eating fine, but I'd try to get more produce and fiber in there, you need a better variety of nutrients. Treat yourself once in a while with a calorie-dense dessert or whatever other food you like. Also, take a multivitamin if you're not already.
But if you start to feel lightheaded, or see the scale stop moving, then something needs to change.
Thanks, what i eat from day to day at times im a little stuck with seeing as again i cant get out much at all and our food gets home delivered once a week so if its no in i cant have it so to speak, i try to mix my meals up every day, that was just an example of what i had today, not what ill eat tomorrow but the calories will be the same or similar amount, again without calorie counting to the dot i simply try and make sure frst and foremost i get plenty of protein to maintain muscle so ill have at least one of fish,tuna,turkey,chicken everyday, then ill fill the rest out with some carbs and low healthy fats but yes you are right a bit more fibre and produce would be good.0 -
In all honesty I don't think ANYONE knows how the body really works in relation to 'survival mode'.
Some people say if you don't eat every nanosecond then you'll lose muscle.
Some people say that survival mode won't kick in until a week or two of eating below your BMR.
Bodybuilders believe that if you're not taking in more than you burn then you're burning muscle.
Intermidden fasters will tell you that periods of fasting balances the levels of the hormones that make your body store fat.
It all sounds plausible but which ideas are backed up by proper experimentation? And how many of you people posting in this thread are basing their opinions on the results of such experimentation?0 -
Sure of course it is "fine", but what happens is your metabolism slows a bit & you lose more muscle mass than you would otherwise. Most people end up gaining all the weight back and possibly more because they increase their calorie intake too fast and go back to their typical normal pre-diet diet. Based on my own personal experience, if you increase SLOWLY, around 100 - 200 calories per week, you should have little to no problems. The scale WILL still increase a bit, probably 5 - 10 lbs, and some people would freak out at this and use it as an excuse to go back to eating less or even binging out of frustration, but you have to push through and ignore it. It'll just be due to water retention from eating more carbs & from having extra food in your system (to be crude: you literally have more poop in you). In a few weeks the number on the scale will either go back down to the weight you were at before you increased your calories if you are lucky or you will just maintain at the 5 - 10 lb higher weight.0
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I initially read this as he's dropping 1k below BMR without exercising. Seemed like a recipe for disaster (i.e. significant muscle loss).
My personal results running a few hundred under BMR with exercise and fairly high protein has been positive.0 -
It's good you posted, but this is not news to me. I myself have noted that experts say it's all right to eat below your BMR. I feel bad when I read the "advice" provided by some people in the forum about "starvation mode" and the supposed need to eat more to lose weight.
Here again is another reason why i posted this topic, and its the very reason why i went to the docotr in the first place, all the talk of starvation mode and bmr frets a person, you panic because thats what humans do when they think they damaging themselves because someone said so, you feel anxious and worry, that in itself is extremely unhealthy before you even start!
Thats why i find it highly amusing when certain posters in this thread, 2 specifically accuse ME of protesting to people what they should and shouldn't do and saying im telling people to eat below their bmr (when i have at no stage said anything of the sort) while THEY then go on to tell everyone how you absolutely must do this and you must do that and the other or youll become ill because they said so, its a fantastic irony that they cant even see, bless.
But yeah dont feel bad, just eat healthy and when your hungry, its a very simple a logical concept that seems to get lost among the "MUST EAT YOUR BMR OR YOULL DIE OF STARVATION" crew, its amazing how anyone becomes anorexic in the first place when you use that logic.0 -
I will always be team 'Do What Works For You.' Everyone can tell you that doctors are dumb, you're starving yourself, your metabolism is going to slow down, etc. If you're not hungry eating below BMR then you're good to go. If you're not getting enough food your body will let you know.0
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The thing I never understand about the constant parroting of "starvation mode" here is that people who actually are starving are THIN. Yeah, they are skin and bones and no muscle because they're eating NOTHING --, 1200, or 800 calories -- day after day for months or years and they're not fat to begin with. If you're fat, your body taps into your fat reserves. It's true that eating under a certain amount for can slow down your metabolism, but it's only 10 to 15%, you still keep losing weight, and when you resume eating normally, your metabolism returns to normal.
If starvation mode really worked as many people here seem to think there would be no thin, starving people; they would all be stalled at a certain weight.0 -
Op I have seen you post on here that you don't eat above bmr because you will gain, but TDEE is the number that eating above would cause one to gain weight. Bmr and TDEE will be different even if you set your TDEE to not reflect exercise.
Ex. My bmr is just over 1400, now if I then figire my TDEE at sedentary that number is still higher than bmr at around 1750.0 -
Doctors and pcp's, in most cases, know the bare minimum, if anything at all, about nutrition and a body's nutritional needs.
You need to see a dietitian or nutritionist to get proffesionally recommended help catered to your body.
I will not give you my personal opinion on what you should or shouldn't be eating, because I am neither.
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Surviving while slowing down metabolism and eating up muscle mass is one option.
Any concrete data that proves ive slown down my metabolism?? im losing around 2lbs per week which fits my deficit, im visibly losing fat around my stomach, my abs are already far more visible than 3 weeks ago, ive been told this by numerous people already, as for muscle, you dont lose muscle if you eat a good portion of protein and perform weight resistance training (any fitness instructor will tell you this), which im doing, i whilst granted i havnt run a tape measure across my bicep recently id say visually they're certainly not smaller than they were when i started, my fat loss is though.
I just dont get this idea of pigging out on food to match some online guesstamation number if your not hungry? surely your own body knows better than an internet calculator?
The only concrete data you can get is by doing a body composition test. Schedule an appt with a weight loss clinic. It'll cost you, but it's worth it. You can go back every couple months for updates.0 -
I'm just wondering why no one on the first page has pictures.0
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