It is really as simple as cals in minus cals out?

I wonder if because of body composition, muscle mass weight that some people maybe can't be a size zero. I feel like I have been doing everything properly and over the past almost 3 weeks I have only lost 1lbs (which I'm sure if I looked today I would have gained back) I'm not overly concerned about losing lbs but I want to know that I can change my body composition if I try.
I see a lot of people simple answering "blank is your maintenance, eat 500 less than that any you'll lose", your not eating enough so add blank and you'll lose.
What if a persons composition is just not as small as someone else? I don't have a lot of lbs to lose but I would like to drop 20 and really lean up. My diary is public, I feel like for the most part I eat very well, I am vegan so I wonder if that is the reason why I am holding the last 20 lbs. I also take birth control (for many, many years) and think that may be the problem also.
I don't think I slack in my training so that's probably not it.....
Any input would be nice (please be kind)
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  • slenderyeppie
    slenderyeppie Posts: 31 Member
    I would like to know this as well! Two summers in undergraduate I had one real meal/day (busy job/no fridge/new city etc) at about a thousand calories a day. I barely lost any weight those summers. Same weight when I was back in school and eating a lot more than those summers- same weight throughout the two years. I'm starting to think that's my body's happy weight we want to stay at.
  • Rssblade
    Rssblade Posts: 46 Member
    Sadly the answer is YES...simple as that..
  • dbmata
    dbmata Posts: 12,950 Member
    I wonder if because of body composition, muscle mass weight that some people maybe can't be a size zero.

    Correct.

    It also is as simple as calories in being smaller than calories out. Unless you are already at your goal and then trying to do recomposition, then your macro mix while maintaining become important. Like the bulk/cut cycles for the hypertrophy crowd.
  • The_Enginerd
    The_Enginerd Posts: 3,982 Member
    Pretty much.

    Are you using a food scale? The most common problems by far are underestimating your intake or overestimating your activity, unless you have a problem like PCOS or a thyroid problem.
  • alladream
    alladream Posts: 261 Member
    Well, yes and no: yes in general, and then again there can be some foods which make you bloated or or inflamed or retain water etc. and so you weigh more than if it didn't. In a perfect world, though, if you need 1500 or 2000 or 1200 calories daily(random examples) to maintain your weight and you eat less than that after your daily exertion, then it should result in losing weight. Since there are so many pollutants etc. in the world, and our bodies, these days in food, water, air, etc., these unknown factors can really mess up metabolism and hormones etc.
  • kimosabe1
    kimosabe1 Posts: 2,467 Member
    birth control ballooned me up like I was already pregnant. I hate that *kitten*.......
  • Miss_Meliss86
    Miss_Meliss86 Posts: 372 Member
    It pretty much is. And a food scale is a must. I didn't realize how off track I was until I bought one of those.

    And now I'm just going to sit back and wait for s*it to hit the fan as people come into this thread and argue that it's not...*grabs some popcorn*
  • slenderyeppie
    slenderyeppie Posts: 31 Member
    I want a food scale! I'm going to buy one right now. :)
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    For weight control it is as simple as calories in, calories out. However, you are correct that not everyone can be a size zero or whatever...people have different shapes and different body compositions as well. Scale weight can be somewhat arbitrary which is why I pay little attention to it and always shake my head and the many people who obsess about it.

    At 5'10", 180 Lbs and 19/20% BF, I look much different than my best buddy who is of the same stats except he is 15% BF. My other buddy is roughly the same stats, but he has never lifted a weight in his life and has a much higher BF% than I do...so he looks much different too and we all have different waste sizes...my best best buddy is a 32 (and clothing is lose), I'm a 34 (perfect fit) and my other buddy is a 36.
  • wild_wild_life
    wild_wild_life Posts: 1,334 Member
    For weight loss it is cals in vs cals out, but body composition (which you seem to be asking about) is a different thing, that is where macros and resistance training come into play. As far as fitting into a specific size (like size 0), I believe that is a different thing again -- skeletal structure (height, hip width) will prevent some people from getting small enough to be certain sizes. Clothing size designations have nothing to do with health IMO.
  • deksgrl
    deksgrl Posts: 7,237 Member
    I will never be a size zero, it would be scary if I was. My hips and frame would not fit in a zero even if I lost all my excess weight. So, yes, it is true that genetically it is just not possible for some people to be a size zero.

    Whether you can or not, I don't know. Just be the best "you" you can be, whatever your size.
  • __Di__
    __Di__ Posts: 1,658 Member
    For weight loss it is cals in vs cals out, but body composition (which you seem to be asking about) is a different thing, that is where macros and resistance training come into play. As far as fitting into a specific size (like size 0), I believe that is a different thing again -- skeletal structure (height, hip width) will prevent some people from getting small enough to be certain sizes. Clothing size designations have nothing to do with health IMO.

    Absolutely agree!

    I was curious and googled dress sizes and saw that the hip size for a size 0 is 32 inches (UK sizing). Now even if I had absolutely no fat on my hips whatsoever, they would never get down to the figure.

    Even when I was 13 years old and weighed 90lbs at 5 foot 5 inches tall (I was extremely active lol), I still had a size 36" hips.
  • jwdieter
    jwdieter Posts: 2,582 Member
    It's that simple, except cals in and cals out are complex equations that vary by person.

    And clothing size is only tangentially related, as everyone said.
  • Shrinkmeslowly
    Shrinkmeslowly Posts: 42 Member
    thank-you everyone
    I guess I was asking more about body composition than actually clothing sizes. I don't really care about the size of my clothes but I would like to achieve close to a 6-pac and be lean and athletic. Even on a paleo style low carb diet I found that my body would not want to dip much below 143lbs. My inches changed minimally but the actual lbs not much. I have been VERY small at one point in my life (but that was probably when I was 12 years old so I don't think that counts anymore hahaha)
    I get frustrated sometimes with the amount of work I feel like I'm putting into things and not getting as much as other people seem to out of them.
    I do measure and weigh my food so I'm not really worried about my portion sizes being off.
    I wonder if maybe now is the time to mess with my macros (which I assume means my carb, fat, protein amounts) just not sure where to start as a vegan
  • The_Enginerd
    The_Enginerd Posts: 3,982 Member
    How tall are you?

    The reason I asked about the food scale is because I see a lot of foods, especially fruits or rice, entered as "1 cup". Even using measuring cups, the amounts can be off by a surprising amount because of how packed the cup is and how "full" the cup is filled.

    Yes, macros is your fat/carb/protein. Your protein amounts look very low. Upping those can help retain your lean body mass, which is important towards keeping your metabolism up.

    ETA: I really do not think being vegan has anything to do with your holding on to the weight. I am not vegan or even vegetarian, but plenty of people who are have not had problems. It just becomes more difficult to get enough protein.
  • yuckidah
    yuckidah Posts: 290 Member
    Yes, it really is as simple as that.
    Doesn't matter what anyone says or what 'magic' pills/potions etc suck you in - it all comes down to energy in vs energy out.
    Basic commonsense. No frills. Eat/consume less than you use/burn = weight loss.
  • nuttyfamily
    nuttyfamily Posts: 3,394 Member
    People think my SIL and I are the same weight and size. I cannot fit into a size ten jeans even at my goal weight. She can wear a size four easily. So body composition is in play here. My legs are nice and thin and hers are not. That is where she carries her weight. I have wide hip bones. We only weigh five pound difference.
  • DatMurse
    DatMurse Posts: 1,501 Member
    well do you weigh food?

    miscalculations are way less forgiving than a man.

    miscount by 100 calories for a man is not as bad as a woman
    could be a 5% error or a 10% error
  • Look below my post. It's not accurate I weighed myself just now 189 POUNDS and a month ago? 210 pounds.

    so yes.

    IT IS THAT SIMPLE
  • skinnydreams19
    skinnydreams19 Posts: 282 Member
    Bodies do have a happy weight, if you're eating variable amounts of calories and staying the same weight...you're probably at your happy weight.
  • cwaters120
    cwaters120 Posts: 354 Member
    For weight loss it is cals in vs cals out, but body composition (which you seem to be asking about) is a different thing, that is where macros and resistance training come into play. As far as fitting into a specific size (like size 0), I believe that is a different thing again -- skeletal structure (height, hip width) will prevent some people from getting small enough to be certain sizes. Clothing size designations have nothing to do with health IMO.

    THIS ^^^ so totally true.
  • popsicklestar
    popsicklestar Posts: 166 Member
    In a way it is, but I would also factor in exercise, macro ratios and the nutrition quality of the foods you're eating. I've worked out consistently for a long time, but I didn't drop that extra 20 pounds until I put my diet in check.
  • In answer to your question, is it calories in/calories out?

    Yes.

    and

    No.

    If your maintenance is 2500 and you drop 500 for a week (barring any major illness or allergies) you will lose weight. Now here's where it gets complicated. There are two things to consider.

    1. Metabolic adaptation
    2. Composition.

    First, your metabolism will adapt to your calorie intake, over time your 500 cals dropped will not help with weight loss, you'll either need to up cardio or drop more calories. And repeat. This is why dropping 500 cals is crazy, drop 100, drop the lowest amount you can to still lose weight. If that's 0.1kg a week then fine. Because if you drop 500 cals now, what happens in 6 weeks? Another 500? Then what? Before you know it you'll be doing 12 hours of cardio a day and eating a stick of celery :)

    Second, your composition matters a lot. I could drop 10 pounds pretty easily but I want to make sure I retain muscle whilst keeping fat low. So my macros count a lot. If I just ate 100% carbs (for example) I might lose weight if I'm in a cal deficit but over a few weeks I will look like crap.

    So Macros are super important. If you don't get them right not only will you not lose fat as efficiently but you'll look a lot worse than you would if you took a few minutes to figure out what you should be hitting.
  • Shrinkmeslowly
    Shrinkmeslowly Posts: 42 Member
    I am 5'5
    I don't have a food scale, my husband would consider that to be something that would be a no no I think in our house hold. I have had ED issues in the past, and that I still struggle with so to actually have grams to my food would maybe not be so wonderful. You see a lot of 1 cup or 1/2 cup because that's the measuring cups that I own.
    I will start by upping my protein and maybe adding in weights to see if that's the trick. Possibly up my calories I have been readin around and it looks like I'm on the low end.

    So basically even thought I am working out doing Insanity and I feel like I am eating right and following close to what MFP has layed out I'm somehow still doing it wrong. Very frustrating indeed.
  • __Di__
    __Di__ Posts: 1,658 Member
    I am 5'5
    I don't have a food scale, my husband would consider that to be something that would be a no no I think in our house hold. I have had ED issues in the past, and that I still struggle with so to actually have grams to my food would maybe not be so wonderful. You see a lot of 1 cup or 1/2 cup because that's the measuring cups that I own.
    I will start by upping my protein and maybe adding in weights to see if that's the trick. Possibly up my calories I have been readin around and it looks like I'm on the low end.

    So basically even thought I am working out doing Insanity and I feel like I am eating right and following close to what MFP has layed out I'm somehow still doing it wrong. Very frustrating indeed.

    That's a shame that you cannot have a food scale.

    When guessing some foods, the difference in what you think the calories are and what they truly are can amount to hundreds, especially in foods such as spreads and high calorie foods.
  • Shrinkmeslowly
    Shrinkmeslowly Posts: 42 Member
    I guess one would help, I feel like my mental health is also important as my physical health. I have had a very unhappy relationship with food in the past and I want to not just have a healthy body but mind. I should be happy I have lost and kept off 80lbs for several years I am just now getting into wanting to really tone up.
    I lost the weight on a low carb paleo diet. 1238 calories a day 80 carbs, 52 fat and 103 protien. I did that for several years religiously and then I started to have digestive issues metabolizing meat and became vegan. I ended up having issues and whatnot that I wont get into on a public forum but needless to say oI have since been able to up my calories to a steady 1800 a day with no weight gain (doing it slowly over several months)
    It's not important to me to drop weight, I want to lean out I guess is the best way to explain it. I just was curious about the calories in vs out formula being a constant.
    I maybe overestimating my calories.. I have a heart rate monitor so at least I know my calories out is accurate.
  • wild_wild_life
    wild_wild_life Posts: 1,334 Member
    I am 5'5
    I don't have a food scale, my husband would consider that to be something that would be a no no I think in our house hold. I have had ED issues in the past, and that I still struggle with so to actually have grams to my food would maybe not be so wonderful. You see a lot of 1 cup or 1/2 cup because that's the measuring cups that I own.
    I will start by upping my protein and maybe adding in weights to see if that's the trick. Possibly up my calories I have been readin around and it looks like I'm on the low end.

    So basically even thought I am working out doing Insanity and I feel like I am eating right and following close to what MFP has layed out I'm somehow still doing it wrong. Very frustrating indeed.

    I wouldn't say you have been doing it wrong. If you want to get lean/muscular, though, you will need to do things a bit differently. It is possible to just lose enough fat that you simply uncover the muscle you already have, but if your diet is low in protein, you are losing a disproportionate amount of muscle along with fat when you lose weight.

    If you've never lifted weights before, you can make a lot of progress and gain strength even eating at a deficit if you eat enough protein (1g/lb lean body mass) and follow a good strength training program with progressive overload. Its pretty easy to do and I bet that will get you closer to the look you want. I am vegetarian so I get a lot of protein from Greek yogurt, but you can get protein from soy products, beans, and vegan protein powder -- there are a lot of good rice, pea, and hemp protein powders and that is a really easy, convenient way to do it.

    If you have specific questions about how to start, you might try posting your questions in this group, they are generally pretty helpful and knowledgable.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/10118-eat-train-progress
  • Shrinkmeslowly
    Shrinkmeslowly Posts: 42 Member
    I have a bad diet?
  • j6o4
    j6o4 Posts: 871 Member
    For weight loss it is cals in vs cals out, but body composition (which you seem to be asking about) is a different thing, that is where macros and resistance training come into play. As far as fitting into a specific size (like size 0), I believe that is a different thing again -- skeletal structure (height, hip width) will prevent some people from getting small enough to be certain sizes. Clothing size designations have nothing to do with health IMO.

    Ignore everyone else and listen to her ^^