Whats more important diet or exercise?

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  • BL4ckPanth3r
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    This is my thoughts on priority - this should be the same for both males and females
    I won't go in depth, as I could talk about this all day.

    1. Diet
    2. sleep
    3. exercise - a. resistance (weights)
    b.cardio
  • irishcream4u2
    irishcream4u2 Posts: 11 Member
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    I have had great success focusing on changing what I eat and the way I eat. I've dropped over 60 pounds in the past year and a half and have kept it off. Slow, but sure has been my process, which might not work for everyone.

    I virtually did NO exercise and was mostly sedentary over that time. I simply did NOT feel comfortable working out.

    Now that I am slimmer, healthier, and more energetic, I am ready to become more physical. I want to begin to incorporate resistance training to build /tone muscle. I also want to add aerobic activity, like biking and rebounding on a small trampoline. Yoga is also on my list to enhance my flexibility and help me deal with stress/anxiety. These activities will provide some variety for me to hopefully enjoy, as I become even more physically fit.

    I wish you the best in your journey of DROPPING your excess weight!!! :-)
  • starvinkevin
    starvinkevin Posts: 331
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    Ok I just noticed that u said beginners - yeah diet is most important but ur gonna regain all the weight and more once u get off the diet. Trust me, I've been doing this yo-yo dieting junk for 9 years I know what works and doing it through diet alone is a short-term, unsustainable way to lose weight.
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,343 Member
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    Ok I just noticed that u said beginners - yeah diet is most important but ur gonna regain all the weight and more once u get off the diet. Trust me, I've been doing this yo-yo dieting junk for 9 years I know what works and doing it through diet alone is a short-term, unsustainable way to lose weight.
    It depends upon what you mean by "diet". If you're talking about a short-term, unsustainable fad/crash diet, I agree. If one is talking about "diet" in the sense of creating a reasonable caloric deficit and adjusting it according to results and desired goals as time goes on, that's not necessarily the case at all.
  • starvinkevin
    starvinkevin Posts: 331
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    Even a reasonable caloric deficit is hard to maintain - the only people who can keep trim are those who maintain a regular exercise program.
    Ok I just noticed that u said beginners - yeah diet is most important but ur gonna regain all the weight and more once u get off the diet. Trust me, I've been doing this yo-yo dieting junk for 9 years I know what works and doing it through diet alone is a short-term, unsustainable way to lose weight.
    It depends upon what you mean by "diet". If you're talking about a short-term, unsustainable fad/crash diet, I agree. If one is talking about "diet" in the sense of creating a reasonable caloric deficit and adjusting it according to results and desired goals as time goes on, that's not necessarily the case at all.
  • NoelleS85
    NoelleS85 Posts: 89
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    Whats more important? A number on a scale or an improved physique and better health?


    failure to incorporate resistance training will result in faster WEIGHT loss and a feeling of success... that lasts up until you start plateauing and realize how much muscle you've lost... do both.. not one... regaining muscle is a lengthy process, especially for women... it will take a LOT longer to gain it back than it did to lose it.. smaller number on scale= diet only... actually look better and be healthier= both diet and training.

    I was going to say exactly this. If you want to just lose weight, sure, just cut calories but eat like ****, you'll lose weight. If you want to get healthy - just eating healthy won't do it for you completely. And to get in shape and improve overall health, you will need to do both - eat healthy AND exercise.
  • teagirlmedium
    teagirlmedium Posts: 679 Member
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    I say it depends on the person and what that person is trying to become. If the person just wants to be thin then I would say changing their everyday eating habits is the first thing they should work on. So for that person diet is more important when they start out. For someone who just wants to get stronger I would say exercise is more important in the beginning because that is what will make them strong. For people who want both or just want to get healthy I would say it depends on if they are the type of person who needs to see results fast or can wait a while.
  • MyJourney1960
    MyJourney1960 Posts: 1,133 Member
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    What is the ultimate goal? who is the person wanting to make the change?

    for weight loss - if this is an absolute choice between one or the other, i would say diet. You will lose weight and become more healthy if you eat less and eat sensibly (i.e., make the right food choices for you).
  • EDesq
    EDesq Posts: 1,527 Member
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    Everyone knows that Diet is wayyyy more important than an exercise routine, 85/90% to 10/15%. All your time in the gym can not make up for bad eating habits!!! Not only that but these carzy and excessive workout routines are NOT sustainable.


    Don't be fooled by a whole lot of so called reasoning...any Body Builder, athlete, housewife, Jane Doe knows that if you go to the gym and workout 2 hours everyday, it means nothing if afterwards you come out and eat S.A.D. of binge or even worse. It's about DIET no matter what your goal is!
  • pcastagner
    pcastagner Posts: 1,606 Member
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    I think it's a badly framed question. I'll assume we are talking about someone who is overweight.

    those of us who now enjoy our workouts tend to forget that at first, getting to the gym is a major drain on willpower reserves. Eventually it becomes therapeutic and helps keep us focused, but not at first.

    Willpower decreases on a calorie deficit. So I say, it's best to eat at maintenance and make some athletic gains while learning to track food before going on a calorie deficit. Once exercise becomes a habit, move on to a calorie deficit.

    There is the ideal world, and the real world. I think it's very easy for someone to get fit, then forget how they got there. Yes, it's easy to out eat any exercise program, but at the same time, it's also easy to starve the best intentions.

    Is diet or exercise the most important? I say, neither. Willpower is the most important and the more clever and methodical you are about managing willpower, the better shot you have at success.
  • starvinkevin
    starvinkevin Posts: 331
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    You guys are forgetting that diets are unsustainable long-term no matter how "reasonable" they may seem. People eventually fall to temptation no matter what - I mean honestly, how many people do you guys know who lost a lot of weight actually kept it off for years? Even if they kept the bulk of it off i can guarantee that they did eventually regain some of their weight and if they didn't, they are adhering to a regular exercise regimen.
  • pcastagner
    pcastagner Posts: 1,606 Member
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    You guys are forgetting that diets are unsustainable long-term no matter how "reasonable" they may seem. People eventually fall to temptation no matter what - I mean honestly, how many people do you guys know who lost a lot of weight actually kept it off for years? Even if they kept the bulk of it off i can guarantee that they did eventually regain some of their weight and if they didn't, they are adhering to a regular exercise regimen.

    I think you mean "calorie deficit", not "diet". Diet just means you choose your food for a purpose rather than having no control.

    I'm thoroughly enjoying my diet, why would this be unsustainable.

    If you aren't enjoying your diet, I think you are doing it wrong.
  • phjorg1
    phjorg1 Posts: 642 Member
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    how much you weight: diet

    How you look at said weight: exercise
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,343 Member
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    Even a reasonable caloric deficit is hard to maintain - the only people who can keep trim are those who maintain a regular exercise program.
    It's no harder to maintain a reasonable caloric deficit than it is to maintain a reasonable exercise program. Both require dedication, commitment and self-discipline. I see just as many people fall off the exercise wagon as people who fall off the calorie deficit wagon. For many people it's more difficult to find/make the time to exercise than it is to eat.

    If you're speaking solely of your personal experience/struggles, that's one thing; if you're putting it forth as a broad generalization which applies to everybody, it's presumptuous and invalid.

    [ETA:] From looking at some of your prior posts, I can see why you've had trouble maintaining a caloric deficit:
    My goal is to lose as much fat as possible in 2 months - I've down excessive running + 1200 cal diet before, PSMF, and crash fasting diets and while I can usually get the weight down as much as 15 lbs in 3-4 weeks, I end up regaining everything and sometimes more... so this time I want to do it right but still fast!
    Trust me - I used to run 8-13 miles 3x a week on 1200 net calories with mostly carbs and the weightloss stalled after 2 months.
    No wonder you find a caloric deficit so difficult to maintain. That's why I specifically refer to a reasonable caloric deficit. 1200 calories and/or crash fasting diets are not reasonable - nor sustainable.


    You also seem to agree that exercise programs are just as difficult to sustain and require dedication:
    I like running and lifting - it's just I overdo them and get burned out and stop after a few months (my longest lifting stint was 8 months, running like 4)
  • pcastagner
    pcastagner Posts: 1,606 Member
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    Even a reasonable caloric deficit is hard to maintain - the only people who can keep trim are those who maintain a regular exercise program.
    It's no harder to maintain a reasonable caloric deficit than it is to maintain a reasonable exercise program. Both require dedication, commitment and self-discipline. I see just as many people fall off the exercise wagon as people who fall off the calorie deficit wagon. For many people it's more difficult to find/make the time to exercise than it is to eat.

    If you're speaking solely of your personal experience/struggles, that's one thing; if you're putting it forth as a broad generalization which applies to everybody, it's presumptuous and invalid.

    Well think about this for a second.

    A calorie deficit is, by definition, not sustainable forever. You wind up dying.
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,343 Member
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    Well think about this for a second.

    A calorie deficit is, by definition, not sustainable forever. You wind up dying.

    Pedantic, but true. Which is exactly why I said, in an earlier post:
    t depends upon what you mean by "diet". If you're talking about a short-term, unsustainable fad/crash diet, I agree. If one is talking about "diet" in the sense of creating a reasonable caloric deficit and adjusting it according to results and desired goals as time goes on, that's not necessarily the case at all.
    One does not need to, nor should they, sustain a deficit "forever". One needs to sustain it until their goals are met (and adjust it along the way to ensure that the deficit remains reasonable), at which point they would adjust their intake to meet whatever goals they have (maintenance, recomposition, bulking, etc.).
  • pcastagner
    pcastagner Posts: 1,606 Member
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    Well think about this for a second.

    A calorie deficit is, by definition, not sustainable forever. You wind up dying.

    Which is exactly why I said, in an earlier post:
    t depends upon what you mean by "diet". If you're talking about a short-term, unsustainable fad/crash diet, I agree. If one is talking about "diet" in the sense of creating a reasonable caloric deficit and adjusting it according to results and desired goals as time goes on, that's not necessarily the case at all.
    One does not need to, nor should they, sustain a deficit "forever". One needs to sustain it until their goals are met (and adjust it along the way to ensure that the deficit remains reasonable), at which point they would adjust their intake to meet whatever goals they have (maintenance, recomposition, bulking, etc.).


    Sorry lol, lack of sleep is affecting my reading comprehension. We seem to be in agreement. How boring! ;)
  • starvinkevin
    starvinkevin Posts: 331
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    Yes but did you notice that I did say that exercise plus diet helped maintain my crash diet results far better than dieting alone? When I don't exercise I can only hold onto weight loss for a couple months at max. So considering exercise can help me maintn crash diet results for 8 months or longer, imagine the maintainence on a more reasonable diet?
    Even a reasonable caloric deficit is hard to maintain - the only people who can keep trim are those who maintain a regular exercise program.
    It's no harder to maintain a reasonable caloric deficit than it is to maintain a reasonable exercise program. Both require dedication, commitment and self-discipline. I see just as many people fall off the exercise wagon as people who fall off the calorie deficit wagon. For many people it's more difficult to find/make the time to exercise than it is to eat.

    If you're speaking solely of your personal experience/struggles, that's one thing; if you're putting it forth as a broad generalization which applies to everybody, it's presumptuous and invalid.

    [ETA:] From looking at some of your prior posts, I can see why you've had trouble maintaining a caloric deficit:
    My goal is to lose as much fat as possible in 2 months - I've down excessive running + 1200 cal diet before, PSMF, and crash fasting diets and while I can usually get the weight down as much as 15 lbs in 3-4 weeks, I end up regaining everything and sometimes more... so this time I want to do it right but still fast!
    Trust me - I used to run 8-13 miles 3x a week on 1200 net calories with mostly carbs and the weightloss stalled after 2 months.
    No wonder you find a caloric deficit so difficult to maintain. That's why I specifically refer to a reasonable caloric deficit. 1200 calories and/or crash fasting diets are not reasonable - nor sustainable.


    You also seem to agree that exercise programs are just as difficult to sustain and require dedication:
    I like running and lifting - it's just I overdo them and get burned out and stop after a few months (my longest lifting stint was 8 months, running like 4)
  • pcastagner
    pcastagner Posts: 1,606 Member
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    Whoa.
  • runningjen74
    runningjen74 Posts: 312 Member
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    Both ultimately, but some depends on your personality and current diet. If current diet good, then exercise probably more important than the minor improvements. But if the diet + exercise are poor, I would start with diet first.

    I try to work on both. But there are days when I've known that I'm not set up for success with food prepped in food I will forgo an exercise session to get myself ready for the week with meals prepped. Means food sorted for next 3-4 days and it is easier to get to gym/go out for run.