Compound Lifts plus accessory lifts?
kopmom
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I have been doing Stronglifts and really like it but was curious if anyone does a program that focuses on compound lifts AND maybe adds in some accessory lifts too?
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i've only just started lifting, but i could see myself doing that once i have made some overall progress...
all depends on which areas you want to shape.0 -
All my clients do compound lifts along with some functional work and some isolation movements. You can definitely just get it all with compounds, but having a little variety and direct work with isolations is good too.I have been doing Stronglifts and really like it but was curious if anyone does a program that focuses on compound lifts AND maybe adds in some accessory lifts too?
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I do the main lift + 2 accessory lifts as a superset. ie.. Bench + pull ups + lunges0
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Since I wanted to add the accessory work, I just made up my own routine. I still do the basic compounds but add things like lat pulldowns, chinups, laterals, lunges, leg press, etc.0
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It's your body and your program. Although people here act like it sometimes, it's not a desecration of the SL or SS if you add in some lifts that you're interested in. Actually, I'm pretty sure the rule around here is that you can add anything you want to your program as long as you call the exercises "accessory lifts".
Anyhoo, experiment and add a few things. Within reason, of course. Make the program your own.0 -
It's your body and your program. Although people here act like it sometimes, it's not a desecration of the SL or SS if you add in some lifts that you're interested in. Actually, I'm pretty sure the rule around here is that you can add anything you want to your program as long as you call the exercises "accessory lifts".
Anyhoo, experiment and add a few things. Within reason, of course. Make the program your own.
Thanks, I agree but I hear from alot of people doing alot of "extras" will cause less progress with compound lifts0 -
I do SL and add in other work when I feel like it. Sometimes I just want to run my miles, do my compounds, and GTFO. Other times I want to fine tune more.
I just do whatever extras I'm feeling at the time. A sort of "Hey! I haven't done pushups in a while, let's do a few sets of those!" type thing.0 -
A good question would be to ask how far you've progressed on your lifts so far and how long you've been at it?
There are good movements you can add to a linear progression program, but I think they recommend you first progress with the bare bones program first. What you need to find are other compound movements that benefit the initial lifts. Chin-Ups are a great example.0 -
It's your body and your program. Although people here act like it sometimes, it's not a desecration of the SL or SS if you add in some lifts that you're interested in. Actually, I'm pretty sure the rule around here is that you can add anything you want to your program as long as you call the exercises "accessory lifts".
Anyhoo, experiment and add a few things. Within reason, of course. Make the program your own.
Thanks, I agree but I hear from alot of people doing alot of "extras" will cause less progress with compound lifts
that's why i made sure i wrote the bolded line. it's simply not true. there are good reasons they say it tho. primarily because 1) the beginning lifter doesn't really need extra lifts to make progress and 2) if left to their own devices most newbie lifters would have a program dedicated to curls and crunches 3x per weeks with leg work every other week. so it's mostly to keep them for derailing their own program.
that said, even if it were true that you'd stall progress on the compound lifts, who cares? it's still your body and your program. if you decide X bodypart development is more important than lifting Y pounds on Z compound lift, that's your choice to make. Even if I say bad things.
What are you thinking about adding? It's more productive if we talk about specifics0 -
even if it were true that you'd stall progress on the compound lifts, who cares? it's still your body and your program. if you decide X bodypart development is more important than lifting Y pounds on Z compound lift, that's your choice to make. Even if I say bad things.
What are you thinking about adding? It's more productive if we talk about specifics
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I really am not super concerned with getting stronger per say as much as I am about progressing with the weight of my compounds (even if slowly) and lowering BF. I have been doing 3x a week of Stronglifts and was just considering doing 2-3 more days of some accessory lifts for more of my trouble area's.0 -
I really am not super concerned with getting stronger per say as much as I am about progressing with the weight of my compounds (even if slowly) and lowering BF. I have been doing 3x a week of Stronglifts and was just considering doing 2-3 more days of some accessory lifts for more of my trouble area's.
That is a concern for getting stronger just FYI. They're pretty much the measure for strength.0 -
I started a sport that is based around heavy carries, deadlifts and over head presses. I lift four days a week and do specific event training once a week.
I have four big lifts, bench, shay sing shoulder press, deadlift, and squat. From there, I do other movements that help support those base movements.0 -
So what are your "trouble areas?"0
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I started a sport that is based around heavy carries, deadlifts and over head presses. I lift four days a week and do specific event training once a week.
I have four big lifts, bench, shay sing shoulder press, deadlift, and squat. From there, I do other movements that help support those base movements.
Strongman?0 -
I like the accessory lifts from 5/3/1. You can go to this site:
http://www.strstd.com
you can plug in your stats and then select the my 5/3/1 routine tab at the top of the form. Then at the bottom you can select your accessory program. They are a nice addition to the compound lifts. I am doing the big but boring accessory program right now. I like it a lot.0 -
So what are your "trouble areas?"
Based on her avatar, she doesn't appear to have any trouble areas.0 -
I really am not super concerned with getting stronger per say as much as I am about progressing with the weight of my compounds (even if slowly) and lowering BF. I have been doing 3x a week of Stronglifts and was just considering doing 2-3 more days of some accessory lifts for more of my trouble area's.
That is a concern for getting stronger just FYI. They're pretty much the measure for strength.
This thread is taking an odd turn0 -
Thanks, I agree but I hear from alot of people doing alot of "extras" will cause less progress with compound lifts
^^Thats the golden nugget... They are an accessory TO YOUR MAIN LIFT. They should be something that works the same muscle group, usually in a higher rep range at lower intensity. If your accessory lift isnt helping your main lift excel than it is a bad accessory lift.
NO, I would not add two more days of lifting. Your accessory work should be done the same day as teh main lift you expect it to help.
Too much accessory work can exceed your work capacity and be counter productive.
Best advice:
Add one or two exercises at a time and never do more than 3 or 4 accessories (many do more.. many can do more). And you probably dont need to even consider doing accessory exercises for several months. Usually you'll do things that help you in the part of your lift that is the hardest. For instance, if you have trouble at the top of your deallift you might do rack pulls with a higher weight... Or maybe paused reps of benching if youre stuck at the bottom of your bench.
Accessories are more necessary, and easier to pick, when you start developing weak areas that you could possibly address to improve your progress.
I should add that I think some other "additional work" is often suitable to fit your goals. Accessories to the main life should have a reason for their implementation and should function to aid in advancement of that lift.0 -
Pull ups and dips should be mandatory accessory work for SS0
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Pull ups and dips should be mandatory accessory work for SS
im guessing you mean it lacks arm work, that i completely understand...0 -
Thanks, I agree but I hear from alot of people doing alot of "extras" will cause less progress with compound lifts
^^Thats the golden nugget... They are an accessory TO YOUR MAIN LIFT. They should be something that works the same muscle group, usually in a higher rep range at lower intensity. If your accessory lift isnt helping your main lift excel than it is a bad accessory lift.
NO, I would not add two more days of lifting. Your accessory work should be done the same day as teh main lift you expect it to help.
Too much accessory work can exceed your work capacity and be counter productive.
Best advice:
Add one or two exercises at a time and never do more than 3 or 4 accessories (many do more.. many can do more). And you probably dont need to even consider doing accessory exercises for several months. Usually you'll do things that help you in the part of your lift that is the hardest. For instance, if you have trouble at the top of your deallift you might do rack pulls with a higher weight... Or maybe paused reps of benching if youre stuck at the bottom of your bench.
Accessories are more necessary, and easier to pick, when you start developing weak areas that you could possibly address to improve your progress.
I should add that I think some other "additional work" is often suitable to fit your goals. Accessories to the main life should have a reason for their implementation and should function to aid in advancement of that lift.
While solid advice, this assumes the OP has powerlifting goals. "Trouble areas" makes me suspect aesthetics. If that's the case this advice is off base.
Of course, if she clearly stated what her goals were we could help her directly. But for some reason she keeps beating around the bush so I guess we can argue amongst ourselves.0 -
Of course, if she clearly stated what her goals were we could help her directly. But for some reason she keeps beating around the bush so I guess we can argue amongst ourselves.
Shes dead to me. Lets argue. I disagree with everything you've ever said.0 -
Of course, if she clearly stated what her goals were we could help her directly. But for some reason she keeps beating around the bush so I guess we can argue amongst ourselves.
Shes dead to me. Lets argue. I disagree with everything you've ever said.
YOU'RE WRONG AGAIN! TAKE THAT!!!0 -
I read something the other day about doing all the big compound lifts for basic all round strength but then adding any accessory lifts you need for specific muscle imbalances or areas you might need to specifically target. Makes perfect sense to me.0
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Thanks, I agree but I hear from alot of people doing alot of "extras" will cause less progress with compound lifts
^^Thats the golden nugget... They are an accessory TO YOUR MAIN LIFT. They should be something that works the same muscle group, usually in a higher rep range at lower intensity. If your accessory lift isnt helping your main lift excel than it is a bad accessory lift.
NO, I would not add two more days of lifting. Your accessory work should be done the same day as teh main lift you expect it to help.
Too much accessory work can exceed your work capacity and be counter productive.
Best advice:
Add one or two exercises at a time and never do more than 3 or 4 accessories (many do more.. many can do more). And you probably dont need to even consider doing accessory exercises for several months. Usually you'll do things that help you in the part of your lift that is the hardest. For instance, if you have trouble at the top of your deallift you might do rack pulls with a higher weight... Or maybe paused reps of benching if youre stuck at the bottom of your bench.
Accessories are more necessary, and easier to pick, when you start developing weak areas that you could possibly address to improve your progress.
I should add that I think some other "additional work" is often suitable to fit your goals. Accessories to the main life should have a reason for their implementation and should function to aid in advancement of that lift.
While solid advice, this assumes the OP has powerlifting goals. "Trouble areas" makes me suspect aesthetics. If that's the case this advice is off base.
Of course, if she clearly stated what her goals were we could help her directly. But for some reason she keeps beating around the bush so I guess we can argue amongst ourselves.
While the boys continue beat their chests, they are both correct.
Assistance or accessory lifts should be used to complement your program for either assistance for your main lifts or for your body composition goals, depending on what your focus is.
The above advice is very good re when/how much to add. Just be careful if you are adding an assist for body comp reasons that you are not adding something that will be detrimental to strength goals i.e. that will add imbalance to the routine.0 -
You don't have to lift this way, but it's what I've found personally to be the most effective:
Main Lifts: Focus on strength improvements (i.e. moving the weight). If you don't have any mass though, there's only so far you can take strength improvements.
Accessory Work: Focus on improving the musculature (i.e. body building). If you don't have any strength, it'll be difficult to make much progress with this.
They complement each other and can work very well together.
The reason so many beginner programs focus on main lifts pretty exclusively is that, while you're still learning form, those movements will provide the biggest bang for your buck. If you're squatting 45 lbs, you should focus on upping your squat. Leg extensions won't provide the same results.
And since I'm missing out on the pissing match. I'm right and all you weak ppl are wrong! Anyone who says otherwise I challenge to a leg pressing competition!!!
...what was that?
...I can't just pick the one exercise I'm strongest at and use that to prove my superiority?
....well that's lame.0 -
I switch it up every few weeks. I'll do the straight heavy standbys (benching, squats, etc.) for a few weeks then switch it up to lighter accessory lifts. Regardless of what I do, it is always to failure. I love doing drop sets, too. Got to keep it fresh.0
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