16 days with no loss

I have been 16 days without losing an ounce. I have actually gained 1.5 pounds. I don't think it is muscle gain. I don't work out that hard. I walk, do elliptical training, crunches, planks and trying to do the c25k.

I have only been over my calories 1 time and that was yesterday. I was only over by 19 calories and didn't log some of my exercise because I had no idea what to call it or what the burn was.
I measure and weigh everything unless I am eating out, then I order things I know or I try to over estimate the calories and portions just to be on the safe side.
I do not drink sodas or sugary drinks. I drink 1 cup of coffee per day, 1 large glass of unsweetened tea at dinner and water the rest of the day.

I still have a little more than 30 pounds to lose, so I'm not even close to goal.

My diary is open. I am 5'7" 46 years old 185.5 as of this morning. And VERY discouraged.

Is this a plateau?
How do I end this terror?

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  • AmyRhubarb
    AmyRhubarb Posts: 6,890 Member
    First, it's not muscle - muscle doesn't build that fast, and especially not at a calorie deficit. Second, it's only been 16 days. :smile: If this is a new pattern for you - eating differently and exercising - it's going to take time for the body to adjust. Sore muscles and new exercises cause the muscles to hang onto water to repair themselves, resulting in a "gain" on the scale, or no loss at any rate. It's just water, so not a fat gain.

    Lastly - looking at your diary, I would say you could definitely stand to eat more. Yes, MORE. Goal means goal, not a few hundred under, especially when you're set at 1200 - the bare minimum for women. And at that level you should be eating back your exercise cals. The daily goal already has you at a deficit for the day - meaning eat to goal, do zero exercise, and you should lose weight, so exercising creates even more of a deficit, too large of one in fact, and can actually hinder progress and cause problems in the long run. Your net calories for the day should be 1200 or dang close to it.

    Honestly, you probably should be eating more overall. I'm only an inch taller and a year younger than you, and I've had my best success with losing the fat eating 1800-2000 calories a day. Food is fuel and you gotta feed that furnace if you want it to burn! Eating too little for too long gives the body a reason to store fat rather than burn it. You can tweak your settings at MFP by making sure your activity level is correct for your workouts (as in not sedentary), and make sure your weekly loss goal is only .5 to 1 pound a week - if you're set at 2lbs a week, that's too aggressive. These changes will probably up your daily goal. And I would still eat back those exercise cals, at least a good portion of them.

    Another method is to find your BMR and TDEE and eat in between those numbers - good info on that here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/974888-in-place-of-a-road-map-2k13 It's long, but worth the read. :smile:

    And just have patience - this is a process that takes time - we didn't put the weight on overnight and we won't lose it overnight. But slow steady loss is sustainable and will give better results in the long run, and you'll be more likely to keep it off. Good luck!

    My dairy is open - feel free to have a look!
  • bwogilvie
    bwogilvie Posts: 2,130 Member
    If you're weighing yourself weekly, it could just be random fluctuation. My weight varies as much as 4 lbs. over the course of a day, and my morning weights have differed by as much as 2.8 lbs. from one day to the next. I enter weights on MFP twice a week, and my graph looks like a saw blade.

    If you've increased your exercise, you might be retaining water.

    In any case, as long as you're sticking to your calorie target, the scale will eventually start going down again.

    I recommend daily weigh-ins, and then using an exponentially smoothed weighted average to track your long-term trend. John Walker explains this in the chapter "Signal & Noise" in "The Hacker's Diet" (http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/e4/). You can see the results in my Beeminder weight loss graph (https://www.beeminder.com/brianogilvie/goals/weigh): the skinny purple line is the weighted average. It is consistently going downwards, despite the fluctuation in my actual data points. As long as most of my daily weigh-ins are below the purple line, I'm losing weight. When I reach my target, I'm planning to continue to weigh myself and track the average; if my weight starts to trend upward, I can nip it in the bud before I've put on another 10 lbs.
  • sweetpea03b
    sweetpea03b Posts: 1,123 Member
    Eat more. I'm 5'2, 175# and I'm eating 1900cals (not eating back exercise cals).
  • TammyS327
    TammyS327 Posts: 134 Member
    Thanks for the replies.
    I understand the eating more concept, but it scares me. My head tells me eating more is what made me over weight in the first place. I sure didn't gain weight by eating less.

    If you looked at my diary you should have noticed an upward trend in my calorie intake. Even though I am not eating 2000 calories a day I have been gradually increasing my calories. As a matter of fact that is when the weight loss stopped.

    I will continue to slowly add more calories and hopefully things will start moving in the right direction again.

    Thanks for the advice.
  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
    16 days is literally nothing. Keep working. It'll happen.
  • bwogilvie
    bwogilvie Posts: 2,130 Member
    If you looked at my diary you should have noticed an upward trend in my calorie intake. Even though I am not eating 2000 calories a day I have been gradually increasing my calories. As a matter of fact that is when the weight loss stopped.

    I will continue to slowly add more calories and hopefully things will start moving in the right direction again.

    If you're increasing calories, you may be storing more glycogen and water in your muscles. That could explain a plateau. But it seems bizarre to me to say that you stopped losing weight when you started to eat more, and to conclude that you should eat even more. Slowly increasing the amount that you eat is what you should do when you reach your target weight, not while you're still trying to lose.

    "Eat more, weigh less" is true in a certain sense, but not in the sense that you should add more calories. That would be like having a bathtub that is about to overflow onto the bathroom floor, and saying that if I put more water in, it won't overflow but the water level will go down. Your BMR might go up slightly if you increase calories, but not as much as the additional calories.

    The sense in which it's true is that if you eat less calorie-dense foods, you can eat more bulk, and feel satisfied, without eating as many calories. The CDC has a web page on it: http://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/healthy_eating/energy_density.html

    One bow-tie doughnut from Dunkin' Donuts has 310 calories. That's the same as 2 cans of light tuna in water and half a pound of broccoli. So if you have one can of tuna and the broccoli, you'll be a lot fuller than if you ate the doughnut, and you'll have eaten only about 180 calories.
  • diannethegeek
    diannethegeek Posts: 14,776 Member
    If you looked at my diary you should have noticed an upward trend in my calorie intake. Even though I am not eating 2000 calories a day I have been gradually increasing my calories. As a matter of fact that is when the weight loss stopped.

    I will continue to slowly add more calories and hopefully things will start moving in the right direction again.

    If you're increasing calories, you may be storing more glycogen and water in your muscles. That could explain a plateau. But it seems bizarre to me to say that you stopped losing weight when you started to eat more, and to conclude that you should eat even more. Slowly increasing the amount that you eat is what you should do when you reach your target weight, not while you're still trying to lose.

    "Eat more, weigh less" is true in a certain sense, but not in the sense that you should add more calories. That would be like having a bathtub that is about to overflow onto the bathroom floor, and saying that if I put more water in, it won't overflow but the water level will go down. Your BMR might go up slightly if you increase calories, but not as much as the additional calories.

    The sense in which it's true is that if you eat less calorie-dense foods, you can eat more bulk, and feel satisfied, without eating as many calories. The CDC has a web page on it: http://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/healthy_eating/energy_density.html

    One bow-tie doughnut from Dunkin' Donuts has 310 calories. That's the same as 2 cans of light tuna in water and half a pound of broccoli. So if you have one can of tuna and the broccoli, you'll be a lot fuller than if you ate the doughnut, and you'll have eaten only about 180 calories.

    While there is a lot to be said about calorie-dense foods, no, that is not all that the Eat More to Weigh Less movement is about. It's about eating enough to fuel your activity level, eating enough to provide the nutrients and calories that your body needs every day to keep you healthy. And while it sounds counter-intuitive to a lot of people, a lot of us have gotten out of plateaus by increasing our calorie goal.
  • camila_scl
    camila_scl Posts: 238 Member
    I remember people saying when they hit a plateau they would stop eating at a deficit for a week, so that week they ate like they are maintaining their weight, and then go back to the deficit intake....
  • bwogilvie
    bwogilvie Posts: 2,130 Member
    While there is a lot to be said about calorie-dense foods, no, that is not all that the Eat More to Weigh Less movement is about. It's about eating enough to fuel your activity level, eating enough to provide the nutrients and calories that your body needs every day to keep you healthy. And while it sounds counter-intuitive to a lot of people, a lot of us have gotten out of plateaus by increasing our calorie goal.

    It looked from the OP's diary as if she was doing everything you said. She wasn't starving herself. Instead, she was gradually increasing calories right around the time her progress stalled.

    I know a lot of people claim that they got out of plateaus by increasing calories (while still maintaining a deficit). The problem, though, is that there was no control. You might very well have ended the plateau without changing anything. It's a logical fallacy (post hoc, ergo propter hoc) to conclude that if B comes after A, then A caused B.

    To test the proposition, you'd need to have a bunch of people eat the exact same calorie deficit, and live at about the same level of activity, then, after some of them had plateaued, you'd need to take half of those on the plateau and increase their calories, while leaving the others on the same diet. That would be a controlled test.

    It's also possible that many people who think they have hit a plateau are simply unlucky, especially if they weigh only weekly. If I had weighed myself only Monday morning, I would have several plateaus. On March 4 I weighed 203.0; on March 11, 202.4; and on March 18, 203.6. However, my daily data show that March 4 was unusually low compared with the days surrounding it, while March 18 was unusually high (1.2 lbs. higher than March 17 and March 19). The 2-week "plateau" was a sampling error. March 25, meanwhile, was 199.4 -- there's no way I could have lost 4.2 lbs. of non-water weight in a week. A week later, on April 1, I was back at 199.6, followed April 8 by 198.6 and April 15 by 199.2. Looks like a plateau from March 25 to April 15, three whole weeks, but in fact it wasn't. If I hadn't been weighing myself daily and noting the variance from day to day, I might have been even more depressed on tax day than usual.
  • astrampe
    astrampe Posts: 2,169 Member
    16 days is nothing...Patience As well as up your protein and cut down on carbs - "Fried ice cream"???
  • TammyS327
    TammyS327 Posts: 134 Member
    16 days is nothing...Patience As well as up your protein and cut down on carbs - "Fried ice cream"???

    I have protein with every meal and thought I was eating healthy carbs.
    The fried ice cream was a treat the kids had at the local Mexican restaurant. I literally took 2 bites but logged it as 1/4 cup I think.
    Besides that I am trying not to restrict the foods I eat. I am making a life style change so I am trying to control portions and make better choices. I didn't and still dont feel like 2 bites of fried ice cream hurt anything. (fried ice cream is a scoop of vanilla ice cream rolled in corn flakes, hard frozen then flash fried to make the corn flakes crunchier. The frying only takes a matter of seconds and no oil reaches the ice cream).
    If I am trying to raise my calories was it so wrong to eat a couple of bites of ice cream?
  • TammyS327
    TammyS327 Posts: 134 Member
    While there is a lot to be said about calorie-dense foods, no, that is not all that the Eat More to Weigh Less movement is about. It's about eating enough to fuel your activity level, eating enough to provide the nutrients and calories that your body needs every day to keep you healthy. And while it sounds counter-intuitive to a lot of people, a lot of us have gotten out of plateaus by increasing our calorie goal.

    It looked from the OP's diary as if she was doing everything you said. She wasn't starving herself. Instead, she was gradually increasing calories right around the time her progress stalled.

    I know a lot of people claim that they got out of plateaus by increasing calories (while still maintaining a deficit). The problem, though, is that there was no control. You might very well have ended the plateau without changing anything. It's a logical fallacy (post hoc, ergo propter hoc) to conclude that if B comes after A, then A caused B.

    To test the proposition, you'd need to have a bunch of people eat the exact same calorie deficit, and live at about the same level of activity, then, after some of them had plateaued, you'd need to take half of those on the plateau and increase their calories, while leaving the others on the same diet. That would be a controlled test.

    It's also possible that many people who think they have hit a plateau are simply unlucky, especially if they weigh only weekly. If I had weighed myself only Monday morning, I would have several plateaus. On March 4 I weighed 203.0; on March 11, 202.4; and on March 18, 203.6. However, my daily data show that March 4 was unusually low compared with the days surrounding it, while March 18 was unusually high (1.2 lbs. higher than March 17 and March 19). The 2-week "plateau" was a sampling error. March 25, meanwhile, was 199.4 -- there's no way I could have lost 4.2 lbs. of non-water weight in a week. A week later, on April 1, I was back at 199.6, followed April 8 by 198.6 and April 15 by 199.2. Looks like a plateau from March 25 to April 15, three whole weeks, but in fact it wasn't. If I hadn't been weighing myself daily and noting the variance from day to day, I might have been even more depressed on tax day than usual.

    I weigh myself everyday too. I do it so I can keep track of my body changes. If I weighed in once a week and it was on a day when I weighed heavy, I would have stopped 3 months ago.
    During the week I go up and down about 3 pounds. This is not one of those up and downs. This is a stop. I am still having the 3 pound up or down but the down hasnt changed in 17 days now.
  • seena511
    seena511 Posts: 685 Member
    I remember people saying when they hit a plateau they would stop eating at a deficit for a week, so that week they ate like they are maintaining their weight, and then go back to the deficit intake....

    this is not a plateau. when you haven't lost anything in 6 months, maybe you start to worry. just give it some more time.