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That doesn't really make any sense. You view it as processed just because you don't eat it? Because it is skinned, diced, whatever? What if I take a fish out of the ocean and pop it in an oven.As a vegan, I view meat as a heavily processed food.
I don't consider chopping, heating, freezing, etc.. to be processing. I don't consider everything sold in the grocery store to be 'processed' simply because somebody transported it and slapped a label on it.
I don't think you'll ever get people to agree on any of this though.0 -
I think what kids are fed at school alone is absolutely horrid. There is a minimum amount of calories that need to be provided in school lunch. Ok, fine.RE: conniej
These are the kind of things I find so interesting. I know, I know, I know that we can lose weight eating crap. The assumption gets made here, and in the "real world" for me, as I am still heavy, that we ONLY want to lose weight. I have said it so many times I am starting to get on my own nerves, but losing weight is awesome, I'm excited about it, but it is a BYPRODUCT of being healthy. I think many of the people who preach clean eating, no processed junk, or whatever you want to call it feel the same way. Most KNOW you can lose weight at a deficit. Some don't, but it has been done to death. They will figure it out. Many would say there is no proven reason to avoid processed food and that it is extreme. I feel like we consume enough artificial, man made chemical abominations on accident, that if we can avoid having them on purpose, we should. It seems extreme to me that people would vilify that in favor of what is faster, cheaper, and easier if the subject has the ability and desire to do otherwise.
I couldn't agree more. It is heartbreaking when you actually start seeing sick sick sick children--then look at what we are feeding them....as a parent--I am so grateful to get a wake up call early in my children's lives! It has never been about losing weight for me. Yes--that has been a happy benefit....but I am enjoying the steps of the trip from here to there!! I am glad to see that you are too! As are many people on this thread!
Why is there not a maximum? That's not cool.
So kids eat corn, corn, corn, and more corn in everything, as well as anything else subsidized. I'm not going to touch the quality of meat served in schools, or the fact that milk is often the only option (it was when I was in school) because I do not eat those for personal reasons, and my bias would show. I do feel like they could do better by our children by not serving Grade F meat, however.
Schools need money, so they have vending machines. Great.
Then the US Gov't classifies pizza as a vegetable. Are you just f***ing with us now?
Then they say the solution is to tell kids to go out and play. Yeah, well, we on MFP know that if you eat a 1,700 calorie lunch, that would be a ***** for anyone to burn off. The trick is to not consume it in the first place.
You can tell me all day that it's about choices and parenting, and I'll agree with you wholeheartedly. It still makes me feel icky that kids are surrounded by that garbage. Even if a parent ate every single meal with their child and promoted healthy food at every single sitting, the same child will have 90% of marketing directed at them be for junk food. It's hardly impossible to feed a child what they should eat, but the odds are stacked against many of us. We have Netflix, but no cable, so we can avoid our four year old being inundated with marketing. My husband stays home with our daughter and sets a fine example, but we are lucky we can do that.
Did you miss the recent attempt at controlling the maximum calories kids were allowed to eat at school and the subsequent videos from student athletes who were not getting enough to eat?
What's wrong with milk? Again, this is why I feel that the clean eating approach is way off. There was a thread this morning from a woman complaining because her kid's doctor told her to start giving her butter in an attempt to get her to put on weight. Her reaction was to worry about cholesterol. It's absurd. Kids need the fat and protein milk provides and it's a very convenient source of those nutrients.
I did miss that. Good to know! My beef with that is that a healthier lunch often would not pass the minimum, but kids can eat pizza and fruit cocktail and that passes.
I wasn't saying there is something wrong with milk. I'm saying there should be other options. And what do kids get? Chocolate milk LOADED with sugar. That doesn't exactly send me into a panic, but with everything else being laden with sugar and the availability of soda in vending machines, I don't think it's good.
I'm not trying to be militant about it. Like I said, it just gives me an icky feeling. The healthier options just aren't even there.
Again it's a choice, but it's not really in the hands of parents, it's up to the kids.
I respectfully disagree that anyone NEEDS milk. I grew up on it, and we used to drink a gallon every two days or so in my household, but it seems silly to me that we would require the milk of another animal to survive. I know it's the norm, but it's certainly not my normal. There is nothing in milk I can't get elsewhere in my diet.
No matter what a doctor says, a know it all patient will refute it. The woman freaking out about her kids' cholesterol is obviously missing the point that there is another concern that the doctor finds more urgent. She can also get a second opinion if she so desires, only to refute that too.0 -
I see your point. I think whoever you quoted may have done better to say that in reverse order. I do not eat meat, and I don't really have an opinion on whether or not it is too "processed". That is up to the people that consume it, in my opinion.
That doesn't really make any sense. You view it as processed just because you don't eat it? Because it is skinned, diced, whatever? What if I take a fish out of the ocean and pop it in an oven.As a vegan, I view meat as a heavily processed food.
I don't consider chopping, heating, freezing, etc.. to be processing. I don't consider everything sold in the grocery store to be 'processed' simply because somebody transported it and slapped a label on it.
I don't think you'll ever get people to agree on any of this though.
I am vegan because I am uncomfortable with how meat is produced, but I'm not going to go around calling it dirty and shaming it for the vast majority of people who do consume it. I have been very healthy with animal products in my diet, and very healthy without them. I feel like people who already have a bias against something should be careful with how openly judge other's choices.0 -
I think what kids are fed at school alone is absolutely horrid. There is a minimum amount of calories that need to be provided in school lunch. Ok, fine.RE: conniej
These are the kind of things I find so interesting. I know, I know, I know that we can lose weight eating crap. The assumption gets made here, and in the "real world" for me, as I am still heavy, that we ONLY want to lose weight. I have said it so many times I am starting to get on my own nerves, but losing weight is awesome, I'm excited about it, but it is a BYPRODUCT of being healthy. I think many of the people who preach clean eating, no processed junk, or whatever you want to call it feel the same way. Most KNOW you can lose weight at a deficit. Some don't, but it has been done to death. They will figure it out. Many would say there is no proven reason to avoid processed food and that it is extreme. I feel like we consume enough artificial, man made chemical abominations on accident, that if we can avoid having them on purpose, we should. It seems extreme to me that people would vilify that in favor of what is faster, cheaper, and easier if the subject has the ability and desire to do otherwise.
I couldn't agree more. It is heartbreaking when you actually start seeing sick sick sick children--then look at what we are feeding them....as a parent--I am so grateful to get a wake up call early in my children's lives! It has never been about losing weight for me. Yes--that has been a happy benefit....but I am enjoying the steps of the trip from here to there!! I am glad to see that you are too! As are many people on this thread!
Why is there not a maximum? That's not cool.
So kids eat corn, corn, corn, and more corn in everything, as well as anything else subsidized. I'm not going to touch the quality of meat served in schools, or the fact that milk is often the only option (it was when I was in school) because I do not eat those for personal reasons, and my bias would show. I do feel like they could do better by our children by not serving Grade F meat, however.
Schools need money, so they have vending machines. Great.
Then the US Gov't classifies pizza as a vegetable. Are you just f***ing with us now?
Then they say the solution is to tell kids to go out and play. Yeah, well, we on MFP know that if you eat a 1,700 calorie lunch, that would be a ***** for anyone to burn off. The trick is to not consume it in the first place.
You can tell me all day that it's about choices and parenting, and I'll agree with you wholeheartedly. It still makes me feel icky that kids are surrounded by that garbage. Even if a parent ate every single meal with their child and promoted healthy food at every single sitting, the same child will have 90% of marketing directed at them be for junk food. It's hardly impossible to feed a child what they should eat, but the odds are stacked against many of us. We have Netflix, but no cable, so we can avoid our four year old being inundated with marketing. My husband stays home with our daughter and sets a fine example, but we are lucky we can do that.
Did you miss the recent attempt at controlling the maximum calories kids were allowed to eat at school and the subsequent videos from student athletes who were not getting enough to eat?
What's wrong with milk? Again, this is why I feel that the clean eating approach is way off. There was a thread this morning from a woman complaining because her kid's doctor told her to start giving her butter in an attempt to get her to put on weight. Her reaction was to worry about cholesterol. It's absurd. Kids need the fat and protein milk provides and it's a very convenient source of those nutrients.
I did miss that. Good to know! My beef with that is that a healthier lunch often would not pass the minimum, but kids can eat pizza and fruit cocktail and that passes.
I wasn't saying there is something wrong with milk. I'm saying there should be other options. And what do kids get? Chocolate milk LOADED with sugar. That doesn't exactly send me into a panic, but with everything else being laden with sugar and the availability of soda in vending machines, I don't think it's good.
I'm not trying to be militant about it. Like I said, it just gives me an icky feeling. The healthier options just aren't even there.
Again it's a choice, but it's not really in the hands of parents, it's up to the kids.
I respectfully disagree that anyone NEEDS milk. I grew up on it, and we used to drink a gallon every two days or so in my household, but it seems silly to me that we would require the milk of another animal to survive. I know it's the norm, but it's certainly not my normal. There is nothing in milk I can't get elsewhere in my diet.
No matter what a doctor says, a know it all patient will refute it. The woman freaking out about her kids' cholesterol is obviously missing the point that there is another concern that the doctor finds more urgent. She can also get a second opinion if she so desires, only to refute that too.
I didn't say that anyone "needs" milk, I said it is a "very convenient source" of fat and protein. To argue that any one food is not necessary to our diet doesn't really move the discussion forward. Do we "need" apples? Or broccoli? Or carrots? No. But these foods do add something to our diets. Wether their nutrient value can be replaced with something else only matters if there is a good reason not to eat them. There is absolutely no legitimate reason to not drink milk unless you don't like it or you are allergic to it. Those are not reasons that give anyone a position to argue that others "shouldn't" drink milk.
As for school lunches, meh. My kids get plenty of quality nutrition at home so if they choose to eat the pizza at lunch or get a dessert, it doesn't matter. What matters is that I spend a good deal of time talking to my daughters about nutrition and fitness and leading by example. They will eventually grow up and have to face a world full of beliefs that I disagree with and plenty of things that are dangerous for them. By that point, I want them using their own critical thinking skills.0 -
Yeah, turns out a 90lb 4'11 9th grader and a 6' football player/teenage boy have different calorie requirements. Who knew?Did you miss the recent attempt at controlling the maximum calories kids were allowed to eat at school and the subsequent videos from student athletes who were not getting enough to eat?
Oh I know. I don't have an issue with how anyone chooses to eat, but I may have a difference of opinion as to whether it is terribly healthyI do not eat meat, and I don't really have an opinion on whether or not it is too "processed".
Meat in and of itself is not something I think of as processed. You can hunt, fish, etc, and come up with meat. I do have some concerns about how some of it is raised, but that's a different question. Just quibbling over terms. 0 -
I think what kids are fed at school alone is absolutely horrid. There is a minimum amount of calories that need to be provided in school lunch. Ok, fine.RE: conniej
These are the kind of things I find so interesting. I know, I know, I know that we can lose weight eating crap. The assumption gets made here, and in the "real world" for me, as I am still heavy, that we ONLY want to lose weight. I have said it so many times I am starting to get on my own nerves, but losing weight is awesome, I'm excited about it, but it is a BYPRODUCT of being healthy. I think many of the people who preach clean eating, no processed junk, or whatever you want to call it feel the same way. Most KNOW you can lose weight at a deficit. Some don't, but it has been done to death. They will figure it out. Many would say there is no proven reason to avoid processed food and that it is extreme. I feel like we consume enough artificial, man made chemical abominations on accident, that if we can avoid having them on purpose, we should. It seems extreme to me that people would vilify that in favor of what is faster, cheaper, and easier if the subject has the ability and desire to do otherwise.
I couldn't agree more. It is heartbreaking when you actually start seeing sick sick sick children--then look at what we are feeding them....as a parent--I am so grateful to get a wake up call early in my children's lives! It has never been about losing weight for me. Yes--that has been a happy benefit....but I am enjoying the steps of the trip from here to there!! I am glad to see that you are too! As are many people on this thread!
Why is there not a maximum? That's not cool.
So kids eat corn, corn, corn, and more corn in everything, as well as anything else subsidized. I'm not going to touch the quality of meat served in schools, or the fact that milk is often the only option (it was when I was in school) because I do not eat those for personal reasons, and my bias would show. I do feel like they could do better by our children by not serving Grade F meat, however.
Schools need money, so they have vending machines. Great.
Then the US Gov't classifies pizza as a vegetable. Are you just f***ing with us now?
Then they say the solution is to tell kids to go out and play. Yeah, well, we on MFP know that if you eat a 1,700 calorie lunch, that would be a ***** for anyone to burn off. The trick is to not consume it in the first place.
You can tell me all day that it's about choices and parenting, and I'll agree with you wholeheartedly. It still makes me feel icky that kids are surrounded by that garbage. Even if a parent ate every single meal with their child and promoted healthy food at every single sitting, the same child will have 90% of marketing directed at them be for junk food. It's hardly impossible to feed a child what they should eat, but the odds are stacked against many of us. We have Netflix, but no cable, so we can avoid our four year old being inundated with marketing. My husband stays home with our daughter and sets a fine example, but we are lucky we can do that.
It depends on the school district-my kid's school actually has a pretty decent menu. But, I still pack all their lunches and they bring water because it's cheaper The school also does not have any kind of vending machines (elementary school). As far as marketing goes though-we don't have a tv at all and my kids still know what the 'cool' pair of shoes, tv stars are etc etc. If your kids go to any kind of school with other children they will be inundated with marketing via the other kids 
Yes...I love the communities that work together to solve the "pizza is a vegetable" dilemma. There are groups of parents that are taking on the status quo of lunch at school, and creating farms that the kids help to cultivate, harvest, and then eat. Fantastic. We live in the midwest, where the garden opportunities are quite so great. But we are looking at other options....and when I say "we" I mean a bunch of moms and dads in the community who are like minded in food for their kids.
To me you can't just talk about the problems, then politely agree to disagree. When issues become important enough....you chose to do something about it. I am one of those!
And regarding marketing.....yes. Aimed at kids is correct! I was just having a great conversation with another parent. She is a graphics artist for one of the biggest food conglomerates in the world. She laments creating gorgeous graphics aimed at kids to eat bad food. To me? Don't shoot the messenger. Change isn't the responsibility of one person.0 -
How about if it grows or is created in nature, eat it. If you had to pour it from a box and you can't read the ingredients on said box...it's not clean.0
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Nope, doesn't work for me unless you can find a tree or animal which produces protein shakes.How about if it grows or is created in nature, eat it. If you had to pour it from a box and you can't read the ingredients on said box...it's not clean.0 -
It's like porn.
I can't define it. But I know it when I see it.
Baby.
That is absolutely beautiful.
I'm actually pretty sure you quoted a Supreme Court justice. I like your brain.
Clever lady
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I think what kids are fed at school alone is absolutely horrid. There is a minimum amount of calories that need to be provided in school lunch. Ok, fine.RE: conniej
These are the kind of things I find so interesting. I know, I know, I know that we can lose weight eating crap. The assumption gets made here, and in the "real world" for me, as I am still heavy, that we ONLY want to lose weight. I have said it so many times I am starting to get on my own nerves, but losing weight is awesome, I'm excited about it, but it is a BYPRODUCT of being healthy. I think many of the people who preach clean eating, no processed junk, or whatever you want to call it feel the same way. Most KNOW you can lose weight at a deficit. Some don't, but it has been done to death. They will figure it out. Many would say there is no proven reason to avoid processed food and that it is extreme. I feel like we consume enough artificial, man made chemical abominations on accident, that if we can avoid having them on purpose, we should. It seems extreme to me that people would vilify that in favor of what is faster, cheaper, and easier if the subject has the ability and desire to do otherwise.
I couldn't agree more. It is heartbreaking when you actually start seeing sick sick sick children--then look at what we are feeding them....as a parent--I am so grateful to get a wake up call early in my children's lives! It has never been about losing weight for me. Yes--that has been a happy benefit....but I am enjoying the steps of the trip from here to there!! I am glad to see that you are too! As are many people on this thread!
Why is there not a maximum? That's not cool.
So kids eat corn, corn, corn, and more corn in everything, as well as anything else subsidized. I'm not going to touch the quality of meat served in schools, or the fact that milk is often the only option (it was when I was in school) because I do not eat those for personal reasons, and my bias would show. I do feel like they could do better by our children by not serving Grade F meat, however.
Schools need money, so they have vending machines. Great.
Then the US Gov't classifies pizza as a vegetable. Are you just f***ing with us now?
Then they say the solution is to tell kids to go out and play. Yeah, well, we on MFP know that if you eat a 1,700 calorie lunch, that would be a ***** for anyone to burn off. The trick is to not consume it in the first place.
You can tell me all day that it's about choices and parenting, and I'll agree with you wholeheartedly. It still makes me feel icky that kids are surrounded by that garbage. Even if a parent ate every single meal with their child and promoted healthy food at every single sitting, the same child will have 90% of marketing directed at them be for junk food. It's hardly impossible to feed a child what they should eat, but the odds are stacked against many of us. We have Netflix, but no cable, so we can avoid our four year old being inundated with marketing. My husband stays home with our daughter and sets a fine example, but we are lucky we can do that.
Did you miss the recent attempt at controlling the maximum calories kids were allowed to eat at school and the subsequent videos from student athletes who were not getting enough to eat?
What's wrong with milk? Again, this is why I feel that the clean eating approach is way off. There was a thread this morning from a woman complaining because her kid's doctor told her to start giving her butter in an attempt to get her to put on weight. Her reaction was to worry about cholesterol. It's absurd. Kids need the fat and protein milk provides and it's a very convenient source of those nutrients.
I did miss that. Good to know! My beef with that is that a healthier lunch often would not pass the minimum, but kids can eat pizza and fruit cocktail and that passes.
I wasn't saying there is something wrong with milk. I'm saying there should be other options. And what do kids get? Chocolate milk LOADED with sugar. That doesn't exactly send me into a panic, but with everything else being laden with sugar and the availability of soda in vending machines, I don't think it's good.
I'm not trying to be militant about it. Like I said, it just gives me an icky feeling. The healthier options just aren't even there.
Again it's a choice, but it's not really in the hands of parents, it's up to the kids.
I respectfully disagree that anyone NEEDS milk. I grew up on it, and we used to drink a gallon every two days or so in my household, but it seems silly to me that we would require the milk of another animal to survive. I know it's the norm, but it's certainly not my normal. There is nothing in milk I can't get elsewhere in my diet.
No matter what a doctor says, a know it all patient will refute it. The woman freaking out about her kids' cholesterol is obviously missing the point that there is another concern that the doctor finds more urgent. She can also get a second opinion if she so desires, only to refute that too.
I didn't say that anyone "needs" milk, I said it is a "very convenient source" of fat and protein. To argue that any one food is not necessary to our diet doesn't really move the discussion forward. Do we "need" apples? Or broccoli? Or carrots? No. But these foods do add something to our diets. Wether their nutrient value can be replaced with something else only matters if there is a good reason not to eat them. There is absolutely no legitimate reason to not drink milk unless you don't like it or you are allergic to it. Those are not reasons that give anyone a position to argue that others "shouldn't" drink milk.
As for school lunches, meh. My kids get plenty of quality nutrition at home so if they choose to eat the pizza at lunch or get a dessert, it doesn't matter. What matters is that I spend a good deal of time talking to my daughters about nutrition and fitness and leading by example. They will eventually grow up and have to face a world full of beliefs that I disagree with and plenty of things that are dangerous for them. By that point, I want them using their own critical thinking skills.
I was referring to the line "kids need the fat and protein in milk...", but you are right. I don't mention my diet outside of MFP (I don't really think it's anyone's business), but since some co-worker mentioned it to another, it has spread like wildfire and I've become a bit of an oddity. I really, really don't care what others eat, but I've gotten some downright hate speech about what I eat silently at my desk or in the privacy of my own home. If I'm still touchy and jumped the gun, I apologize. I was told yesterday that I shouldn't be allowed to breastfeed since I eat nothing but twigs and leaves and that formula was a better option -by my Administrative Assistant.
I feel confident that my children will be healthy because of what they get fed at home, no matter how they choose to eat at school as well. I feel that many families are not set up to even have the food choices you and I may have. I still feel like many schools have their hands tied financially and pretty much have to serve only-or-mostly subsidized crap. That seems wrong to me. This is one place where I believe, as a country, we could and should do better.0 -
I see where you are coming from, but it's never going to happen. To a vegan, beef is going to be 'dirty' but to someone eating a Paleo style diet grains are 'dirty'.
Wouldn't it be easier to stop using arbitrary labels? Who cares if your food is "clean" or not? Just eat what YOU want to eat.
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Absolutely. My statement about know it alls was more about people who are being petty. They come into a constructive conversation and bring up that my beans are in a plastic bag. You don't think I know that, fool? My personal definition is much like yours. If someone were to hop into a forum and be all cocky about eating 100% clean and never eating processed food ever again, I totally get it.I hear you, but I disagree. I'm sorry. But, each person has a slightly different definition. Bread, pasta, and rice are processed. Ya know? They are. You can argue about it all day. But, they are processed foods. So, to some people, that is a processed food. To many people though, it's not.
My definition is things like Pop Tarts, Doritos, and all fast food and candy is processed. That's what I mean by processed food. But, since lots of people have slightly different definitions, you have to understand what they mean. Same with clean eating. What do you consider clean? Some people would argue that you're not eating clean if you add butter. Some people would say a little butter is fine.
That's why people argue about it. But, it is a bit exhausting.
I agree with the good/bad food thing here is ridiculous. Food does not have characteristics of being good or bad. It's just food. The good and bad labels are constructs that we have developed and it's shameful. I am fit and in great shape and well within my BMI for normal health. If I eat cheesecake, in context, it's fine for me. I'm just having a treat. It's OK for me. So, in my overall health any doctor or any other person would say it's fine for me to have a piece of cheesecake once in a while. But, some people would categorize cheesecake as bad. We shouldn't do that with food. It's a treat and it should be used that way...something to have on occasion.0 -
i have nothing to add to the discussion but I just wanted to congratulate OP on being the first person ever on these boards to use the word "loose" correctly.0
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i have nothing to add to the discussion but I just wanted to congratulate OP on being the first person ever on these boards to use the word "loose" correctly.
Agreed! Positive reinforcement is best.0 -
While that bugs me a bit, as does the loose/lose thing, the one that gets me now is the word "detox". 99.9999% of the time it is used without any understanding. But one time some poor sap posted that she would like some advice as to what foods she could include into her normal diet to help her kidneys and liver detox her body after quitting some nasty habits. This was followed by about 8 pages of drooling, hateful comments about what an idiot she was for using that word. I'm pretty sure she was the only one who really had some sort of grasp on it........
Absolutely. My statement about know it alls was more about people who are being petty. They come into a constructive conversation and bring up that my beans are in a plastic bag. You don't think I know that, fool? My personal definition is much like yours. If someone were to hop into a forum and be all cocky about eating 100% clean and never eating processed food ever again, I totally get it.I hear you, but I disagree. I'm sorry. But, each person has a slightly different definition. Bread, pasta, and rice are processed. Ya know? They are. You can argue about it all day. But, they are processed foods. So, to some people, that is a processed food. To many people though, it's not.
My definition is things like Pop Tarts, Doritos, and all fast food and candy is processed. That's what I mean by processed food. But, since lots of people have slightly different definitions, you have to understand what they mean. Same with clean eating. What do you consider clean? Some people would argue that you're not eating clean if you add butter. Some people would say a little butter is fine.
That's why people argue about it. But, it is a bit exhausting.
I agree with the good/bad food thing here is ridiculous. Food does not have characteristics of being good or bad. It's just food. The good and bad labels are constructs that we have developed and it's shameful. I am fit and in great shape and well within my BMI for normal health. If I eat cheesecake, in context, it's fine for me. I'm just having a treat. It's OK for me. So, in my overall health any doctor or any other person would say it's fine for me to have a piece of cheesecake once in a while. But, some people would categorize cheesecake as bad. We shouldn't do that with food. It's a treat and it should be used that way...something to have on occasion.
Yeah, I hate this place because of that. It really gets on my nerves. It applies to ANYTHING you say here. Someone with nothing better to do will point out the flaw in your precision of the English language. Let's please not get into the muscle weighs more than fat debate. That thing drives me so insane, that I just laugh now when I see it. I mean, we all know what we mean. But, there's always some petty person that has to disagree and argue that some opeople don't know what they mean, and they need to be corrected. LOL. It's so stupid. Who gives a flying *kitten*.0 -
How about if it grows or is created in nature, eat it. If you had to pour it from a box and you can't read the ingredients on said box...it's not clean.
This goes back to my point earlier where I said it's a continuum, and not a binary decision. Move through the list here: Where do you draw the line on clean and processed:
Wild Strawberry Eaten right out in the field -> Cultivated strawberry (eaten in field) -> Hot house Strawberry ->Packaged Fresh Strawberry in a Store -> Frozen Fresh Strawberries -> Frozen strawberries in syrup -> Home made strawberry preserves -> commercial Strawberry Preserves -> Home MAde Strawberry Sauce -> Commercial Strawberry Sauce -> Strawberry Fruit Rollups ...
You get the idea. There's not a bright line. A food isnt either clean or not clean, processed or not processed - there's degrees and greys through most of the spectrum.
Most here would agree that wild strawberry eaten in field is clean and unprocessed, while fruit rollups are not clean and highly processed. But what about all the grey in the middle of the spectrum there?
Where's the line? This is why there can be no consensus on what clean or processed mean.0 -
You crazy kids nowadays, with your "clean eating". Back in my day we called them whole foods and we liked it!0
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Clean eating.
Processed food.
-I mean, it never gets brought up without someone asking for a definition. Ever.
-I feel that we all know that eating processed or "unclean" food and being healthy are not mutually exclusive. We DO know that, right?
-I am one of "those people" that avoids processed food, and I catch a lot of grief for it, because some people act like it's the ONLY way to eat.
-Does some smart guy always have to step in, and say "You know, what do you call your packaged fruits and veggies, that's a process, right?" As if he has made some brilliant observation to the flaw in the logic. We use the word "processed" because that is the term people are familiar with. Not because it is perfect. I assure you, I buy bagged rice. I know it has been through a process to get bagged. Don't play like that's the same as a boxed dinner that has a shelf life longer than my oldest child.
This is starting to sound like a rant, and if it's obnoxious of me to post it, call me out. I don't mind, and I'm kind of "hangry" at the moment. I'd really just like to see what people define these terms as.
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