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  • I had no idea this was even a thing. I would have thought it would be better to post "finished under her calorie goal" every day. I'm thinking now it would be better to break as close to even as possible in order to keep the muscle I'm building and to not lose too much fat too fast that I will just gain back. I'm trying to consume most of my calories in the middle of the day, with a light breakfast and only light snacks at night if I get really hungry. I usually work out in the evenings, so that way I know how many calories I need to burn. I'm sure I'm underestimating my calorie intake somewhat even though I try to be brutally honest. I'm going to try harder now to make sure I don't create big deficits.
  • RobP1192
    RobP1192 Posts: 310 Member
    Best thing to do is to play around, experiment with it, and see what works for you and your goals.

    I don't record any of the exercise i do except for when i play soccer once a week, which is just casual fun for me. I don't know why i record it. But my calories are set at 2400 which is a deficit for me right now. I exercise, burn calories, don't record it. I eat up to 2400 and sometimes i go over a little. I've been doing this the past 3-4 weeks. Prior to that i was eating at maintenance which was 2700-2800 calories a day, still not recording exercise. So basically, i haven't been eating back exercise calories at all. I've lost weight, inches off my waist, no loss in my arms, legs or chest. Getting leaner, meaner, it's workin' for me.

    So yeah, play around with it, see what works for you. Some people need to eat back their exercise calories. I've found that your body will just burn calories eaten instead of fat stores. So, you basically just lose weight. But it might not be the fat. You just go from being a big fat person to a small fat person. Everyone is different, you just have to find what works for you.

    Just my opinion. I'm not a doctor, nutritionist, or fitness expert. I do what i do, and i haven't died or gotten sick.
  • soeh
    soeh Posts: 2
    After I had my son 21 months ago I started using the app to count calories and exercise. When I first started I would eat back the calories from the workouts and found that I wasn't losing any weight. I assumed I was just balancing the calories and that just made me maintain the weight, so I got discouraged and I've been on and off counting calories until now. It's been a week since I started my new diet, counting calories and working out to burn 500 cal a day. I have not been eating my exercise calories back and in 7 days I've lost 4 lbs and eating almost 1200 cal a day.

    So in my experience not eating the calories has been working. I don't understand why they would add the calories back to the diet. If I'm trying to eat less a day to lose weight, why would I eat back the calories I'm burning off. It just doesn't make any sense to me, but then again I'm not a fitness expert. There must be a logic to why they made the app this way. I wish they would take that out because every time I complete my log for the day it tells me I'm under my calorie goal and that it's not healthy. That's not what I want to see at the end of my day since the whole purpose is to lose the baby weight and be healthy.
  • Mia_RagazzaTosta
    Mia_RagazzaTosta Posts: 4,885 Member
    After I had my son 21 months ago I started using the app to count calories and exercise. When I first started I would eat back the calories from the workouts and found that I wasn't losing any weight. I assumed I was just balancing the calories and that just made me maintain the weight, so I got discouraged and I've been on and off counting calories until now. It's been a week since I started my new diet, counting calories and working out to burn 500 cal a day. I have not been eating my exercise calories back and in 7 days I've lost 4 lbs and eating almost 1200 cal a day.

    So in my experience not eating the calories has been working. I don't understand why they would add the calories back to the diet. If I'm trying to eat less a day to lose weight, why would I eat back the calories I'm burning off. It just doesn't make any sense to me, but then again I'm not a fitness expert. There must be a logic to why they made the app this way. I wish they would take that out because every time I complete my log for the day it tells me I'm under my calorie goal and that it's not healthy. That's not what I want to see at the end of my day since the whole purpose is to lose the baby weight and be healthy.

    *Sigh

    MFP already builds your calorie deficit into your goal. There is no reason to make it bigger by not eating exercise cals back.

    Also, in 7 days you have lost 4 pounds of water weight, not fat.
  • fbmandy55
    fbmandy55 Posts: 5,263 Member
    After I had my son 21 months ago I started using the app to count calories and exercise. When I first started I would eat back the calories from the workouts and found that I wasn't losing any weight. I assumed I was just balancing the calories and that just made me maintain the weight, so I got discouraged and I've been on and off counting calories until now. It's been a week since I started my new diet, counting calories and working out to burn 500 cal a day. I have not been eating my exercise calories back and in 7 days I've lost 4 lbs and eating almost 1200 cal a day.

    So in my experience not eating the calories has been working. I don't understand why they would add the calories back to the diet. If I'm trying to eat less a day to lose weight, why would I eat back the calories I'm burning off. It just doesn't make any sense to me, but then again I'm not a fitness expert. There must be a logic to why they made the app this way. I wish they would take that out because every time I complete my log for the day it tells me I'm under my calorie goal and that it's not healthy. That's not what I want to see at the end of my day since the whole purpose is to lose the baby weight and be healthy.

    So you are actually only consuming 700 calories a day then.

    Once again, not losing fat, you are dropping water weight. Eventually, starving your body, you will see the weight loss stops and you start gaining back. MFP already has your deficit built in!!!
  • ksy1969
    ksy1969 Posts: 700 Member
    After I had my son 21 months ago I started using the app to count calories and exercise. When I first started I would eat back the calories from the workouts and found that I wasn't losing any weight. I assumed I was just balancing the calories and that just made me maintain the weight, so I got discouraged and I've been on and off counting calories until now. It's been a week since I started my new diet, counting calories and working out to burn 500 cal a day. I have not been eating my exercise calories back and in 7 days I've lost 4 lbs and eating almost 1200 cal a day.

    So in my experience not eating the calories has been working. I don't understand why they would add the calories back to the diet. If I'm trying to eat less a day to lose weight, why would I eat back the calories I'm burning off. It just doesn't make any sense to me, but then again I'm not a fitness expert. There must be a logic to why they made the app this way. I wish they would take that out because every time I complete my log for the day it tells me I'm under my calorie goal and that it's not healthy. That's not what I want to see at the end of my day since the whole purpose is to lose the baby weight and be healthy.

    Lets try it this way. You tell MFP that you weigh this amount, your this age, your this height and this is your gender. You also tell MFP you want to lose 1.5lbs a week. MFP then kicks out a number of how many calories you can eat a day to lose 1.5lbs a week. Lets say that magic number is 1200 calories a day and then you burn 500 calories exercising. You claim you ate 1200 calories but in reality you burned 500 of that exercising so your net calorie intake is now 700 instead of 1200. You created a much higher deficit than you need to lose 1.5lbs a week. This may result in a faster weight loss but cannot be done long term and eventually leads to challenges down the road. People either quit or their weight loss stalls out.

    If you are not losing weight with the system MFP set up then more than likely you are not tracking properly. You are either not weighing or measuring properly or you are not tracking everything you take in. There is also a possibility that there may be a medical issue but not likely.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,426 MFP Moderator
    After I had my son 21 months ago I started using the app to count calories and exercise. When I first started I would eat back the calories from the workouts and found that I wasn't losing any weight. I assumed I was just balancing the calories and that just made me maintain the weight, so I got discouraged and I've been on and off counting calories until now. It's been a week since I started my new diet, counting calories and working out to burn 500 cal a day. I have not been eating my exercise calories back and in 7 days I've lost 4 lbs and eating almost 1200 cal a day.

    So in my experience not eating the calories has been working. I don't understand why they would add the calories back to the diet. If I'm trying to eat less a day to lose weight, why would I eat back the calories I'm burning off. It just doesn't make any sense to me, but then again I'm not a fitness expert. There must be a logic to why they made the app this way. I wish they would take that out because every time I complete my log for the day it tells me I'm under my calorie goal and that it's not healthy. That's not what I want to see at the end of my day since the whole purpose is to lose the baby weight and be healthy.

    Your exercise calories where probably over estimated. Many of us will suggest eating 50%. 1200 calories is not enough for an active mother. Also, did you did not give your body enough time to adjust to the calories (you need to try stuff for a month) then it will be hard to tell where you really went wrong.
  • TeaBea
    TeaBea Posts: 14,517 Member
    The weight comes off faster if you don't eat them back. I eat them back sometimes, but i always try to finish the day with at least a 200 cal surplus.

    The operative word here is "weight" ..... yes, fat AND muscle does come off faster if you don't eat enough.

    The difference between fast weight loss and HEALTHY weight loss is the amount of muscle mass lost by the end.

    I eat back 100% of my exercise calories ..... but I am conservative. MFP & many machines tend to give inflated numbers. Use a HRM .... look up different sources ...... use the lowest estimate.
  • TeaBea
    TeaBea Posts: 14,517 Member
    I had no idea this was even a thing. I would have thought it would be better to post "finished under her calorie goal" every day. I'm thinking now it would be better to break as close to even as possible in order to keep the muscle I'm building and to not lose too much fat too fast that I will just gain back. I'm trying to consume most of my calories in the middle of the day, with a light breakfast and only light snacks at night if I get really hungry. I usually work out in the evenings, so that way I know how many calories I need to burn. I'm sure I'm underestimating my calorie intake somewhat even though I try to be brutally honest. I'm going to try harder now to make sure I don't create big deficits.

    It doesn't matter what time of day you eat ..... if you "plan" of exercise ..... and you typically burn XXX caloires ..... then just plan to eat those calories during the next day or two. Add healthy "calorie dense" foods back in (nuts, nut butters, avocado, olive oil) if you need to.

    You are exercising to maintain muscle ...... many, many sources say you cannot build muscle while in deficit.
  • DreaMuffin
    DreaMuffin Posts: 63 Member
    I didn't even realize this was a *thing*! Very new to this - so please be gentle! lol

    for example - i'm set to eat about 1380 calories per day. I try and eat 1200. so far, so good.

    My typical trip to the gym, I burn about 800 calories or so. More during the day if i go for walks, etc. Yesterday I burned just over 1000 calories. From what i'm reading here, I should be eating those 1000 calories? on top of the 1200-1400 I consume/day?? (or at least 50% of them, cause i understand the estimates aren't always accurate, etc)
  • i ALWAYS drink mine back instead of eating them, ha! so bad for you!
  • thanks everyone for the tips!

    ive decided to split the difference and aim to eat back half of them.
  • fbmandy55
    fbmandy55 Posts: 5,263 Member
    I didn't even realize this was a *thing*! Very new to this - so please be gentle! lol

    for example - i'm set to eat about 1380 calories per day. I try and eat 1200. so far, so good.

    My typical trip to the gym, I burn about 800 calories or so. More during the day if i go for walks, etc. Yesterday I burned just over 1000 calories. From what i'm reading here, I should be eating those 1000 calories? on top of the 1200-1400 I consume/day?? (or at least 50% of them, cause i understand the estimates aren't always accurate, etc)
    Yes, because your goal is to eat 1200. IF you burn 800-1000 calories, you are only netting 200-400 calories a day by not eating them back. That will ruin your metabolism if it isn't already and cause you to gain easily.. Exercise is just a bonus and gives you more to eat for the day.
  • soeh
    soeh Posts: 2
    Thanks everyone for the info and tips, it makes more sense now. Ive gone through many workout routines and even joined a boot camp last year and they tell you many things but ive never heard of eating back the calories you've worked out. So idk i'll see how it goes.
  • teresadownumdavis
    teresadownumdavis Posts: 7 Member
    I don't want to eat them all back, but I don't want my body to think it starving either... what's a good percentage to eat back? 25, 50, 75?
  • teresadownumdavis
    teresadownumdavis Posts: 7 Member
    Just found this....it might help...
    I still see many people that are confused or "question" the idea of eating your exercise calories. I wanted to try (as futile as this may turn out to be) to explain the concept in no uncertain terms. I'll save the question of "eating your exercise calories" for the end because I want people to understand WHY we say to do this.

    NOTE: I'm not going to use a lot of citation in this, but I don't want people thinking this is my opinion, I have put much careful research into it, most of which is very complicated and took a long time for me to sift through and summarize, and thanks to my chemical engineering backgroud I have the tools to read clinical studies and translate them (somewhat) into more human terms. Some of this information comes from sources I can't forward because they are from pay sites (like New England Journal of Medicine), so you can ask for anything, but I may or may not be able to readilly provide it for you (I can always tell you where to go if you want to though).

    I'll break it down into 3 sections.
    Section 1 will be our metabolic lifecycle or what happens when we eat and how our body burns fuel.
    Section 2 will be what happens when we receive too much, too little, or the wrong kind of fuel.
    Section 3 will be the steps needed to bring the body to a healthy state and how the body "thinks" on a sympathetic level (the automatic things our body does like digestion, and energy distribution).

    Section 1:
    Metabolism, in "layman's" terms, is the process of taking in food, breaking it down into it's components, using the food as fuel and building blocks, and the disposal of the poisons and waste that we ingest as part of it. Metabolism has three overall factors, genetics, nutrition, and environment. So who we are, what we eat, and how we live all contribute to how our metabolism works. You can control 2 of these 3 factors (nutrition, environment).
    When you eat food, it is broken down into it's component parts. Protein, vitamins and minerals are transported to the cells that need them to build new cells or repair existing cells. Fats(fatty acid molecules) and carbohydrates are processed (by 2 different means) and either immediately burned or stored for energy. Because the body doesn't store food in a pre-digested state, if you eat more carbs and fat then you need immediately, the body will save them for later in human fat cells (adipose tissue). This is important to realize because even if you eat the correct number of calories in a 24 hour period, if you eat in large quantities infrequently (more then you can burn during the digestion process), your body will still store the extra as fat and eliminate some of the nutrients. (Side note: this is why simple or processed carbs are worse for you compared with complex carbs)

    Section 2:
    The human body has a set metabolic rate (based on the criteria stated above), this rate can be changed by overall nutritional intake over a period of time, or by increasing activity levels also over a period of time (the exact amount of time for sustained increase in metabolic rates is the subject of some debate, but all studies agree that any increase in activity level will increse the metabolism).
    It is important to note that obesity does not drasticly change the level of metabolic process, that means that if you become obese, you don't burn a higher fat percentage just because you have more to burn.
    The balance of incomming fuel vs the amount of fuel the body uses is called maintenance calories, or the amount of calories it takes to run your body during a normal day (not including exercise or an extremely lethargic day). The metabolism is a sympathetic process, this means it will utilize lower brain function to control it's level, it also means it can actively "learn" how a body is fitness wise, and knows approximately how much energy it needs to function correctly. It also means automatic reactions will happen when too much or too little fuel is taken in. Too much fuel triggers fat storage, adipose tissue expands and fat is deposited, also free "fat" cells (triglycerides) will circulate in the blood stream (HDL and LDL cholesterol). Too little fuel (again, over an extended period) triggers a survival mode instinct, where the body recognizes the lack of fuel comming in and attempts to minimize body function (slowing down of non-essential organ function) and the maximization of fat storage. It's important to note that this isn't a "switch", the body does this as an ongoing analysis and will adjust the levels of this as needed (there is no "line" between normal and survival mode.).
    When you're activity level increases, the human body will perform multiple functions, first, readily available carbohydrates and fats are broken down into fuel, oxydized, and sent directly to the areas that need fuel, next adipose (body) fat is retreived, oxydized, and transported to the areas it is needed for additional fuel, 3rd (and this is important), if fat stores are not easilly reachable (as in people with a healthy BMI where adipose fat is much more scarce), muscle is broken down and used for energy. What people must realize is that the metabolism is an efficiency engine, it will take the best available source of energy, if fat stores are too far away from the systems that need them or too dense to break down quickly, then it won't wait for the slower transfer, it will start breaking down muscle (while still breaking down some of that dense fat as well).

    Section 3:
    The wonderful part of the human metabolic system is it's ability to adapt and change. Just because your body has entered a certain state, doesn't mean it will stay that way. The downfall to this is that if organs go unused over a long period, they can lose functionality and can take years to fully recover(and sometimes never).
    As long as there is no permenant damage to organ function, most people can "re-train" their metabolism to be more efficient by essentially showing it (with the intake of the proper levels and nutritional elements) that it will always have the right amount and types of fuel. This is also known as a healthy nutritional intake.
    Going to the extreme one way or the other with fuel consumption will cause the metabolism to react, the more drastic the swing, the more drastic the metabolism reacts to this (for example, a diet that limits fat or cabohydrate intake to very low levels). In general terms, the metabolism will react with predictable results if fuel levels remain in a range it associates with normal fuel levels. If you raise these fuel levels it will react by storing more fat, if you lower these fuel levels, it will react by shutting down processes and storing fat for the "upcomming" famine levels. The most prominent immediate issues (in no particular order) with caloric levels below normal are reduced muscle function, reduction of muscle size and density, liver and kidney failures, increase in LDL (bad) cholesterol levels, and gallstones .


    Now onto the question of "Eating your exercise calories"

    As I have hinted to throughout this summary of metabolic process, the body has a "range" in which it feels it is receiving the right amount of fuel. The range (as most doctors and research scientists agree) is somewhere between 500 calories above your maintenance calories and 1000 calories below your maintenance calories. This means that the metabolism won't drastically change it's functionality in this range, with that said, this is not exact, it is a range based on averages, you may have a larger or smaller range based on the 3 factors of metabolism stated at the top.
    On our website (MyFitnessPal), when you enter your goals, there is a prebuilt deficit designed to keep you in the "normal" metabolic functionality while still burning more calories then you take in. This goal DOES NOT INCLUDE exercise until you enter it. If you enter exercise into your daily plan, the site automatically adjusts your total caloric needs to stay within that normal range (in other words, just put your exercise in, don't worry about doing any additional calculations). Not eating exercise calories can bring you outside that range and (if done over an extended period of days or weeks) will gradually send your body into survival mode, making it harder (but not impossible) to continue to lose weight. The important thing to understand is (and this is REALLY important) the closer you are to your overall healthy weight (again, your metabolism views this a a range, not a specific number) the more prominant the survival mode becomes (remember, we talked about efficiency). This is because as fat becomes scarce, muscle is easier to break down and transport. And thus, the reason why it's harder to lose that "Last 10 pounds".

    I really hope this puts a lot of questions to bed. I know people struggle with this issue and I want to make sure they have the straight facts of why we all harp on eating your exercise calories.

    -Regards,
  • teresadownumdavis
    teresadownumdavis Posts: 7 Member
    :noway: