Playing drums + HRM - Log or not?

majica8
majica8 Posts: 210 Member
edited October 30 in Fitness and Exercise
Hey,
I've just purchased a Polar FT7 (arrived yesterday) so I've been trying it with a few exercises/workouts etc. Walking yesterday, cycling today. It's great :happy:
For curiosity I wore it while playing drums just now, it says in 35 mins burned about 160 calories, with an average HR of around 105 bpm (my resting HR is around 80) and a max of 125 bpm.
Now these were only Rock Band drums, but they obviously get my HR up and it's a good workout for my arms.
Question is, do you think I can log these calories on here? I'm not talking about making playing drums my only form of exercise, I'm planning to continue cycling daily, I just don't know if these should "count" because it doesn't seem like a proper or standard workout and it's limited to pretty much just my arms/wrists, possibly my legs slightly. I don't know how much benefit it is as far as losing weight goes.

So log or not?

Cheers :smile:

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  • phjorg1
    phjorg1 Posts: 642 Member
    hrm only work for actual cardio.

    did you setup vo2max in your hrm? you will need to with stats like yours or any value given will be very inflated..
  • majica8
    majica8 Posts: 210 Member
    hrm only work for actual cardio.
    Surely the fact that it raises my HR means it's cardio......
    did you setup vo2max in your hrm? you will need to with stats like yours or any value given will be very inflated..
    AFAIK the FT7 estimates your vo2max. I have no idea what it actually is, or what the FT7 thinks it is.

    Like I said I'm not planning to replace any of my current exercise with drumming, I'm just wondering if I should log an extra 100 or so cals if/when I play.
  • pucenavel
    pucenavel Posts: 972 Member
    Drummer:

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    Fittest member of U2?

    Probably.

    Edit: fixed link
  • Mia_RagazzaTosta
    Mia_RagazzaTosta Posts: 4,885 Member
    You want to log a game of Rock Band as exercise? Um, no.
  • jsickman12
    jsickman12 Posts: 139 Member
    You raised your heart rate, so technically it counts. I know playing drums, especially heavy metal drumming with machine gun double bass can be one hell of a workout \m/

    On that note, I probably wouldn't log them, just so I didn't eat too much. But this is really up to you.
  • Hezzietiger1
    Hezzietiger1 Posts: 1,256 Member
    playing drums is a hardcore workout lol!! I wouldn't count it tho.. just enjoy the results.
  • MyseriMapleleaf
    MyseriMapleleaf Posts: 81 Member
    I log when I have to wrestle my toddler into her clothes three frickin times a day. I work up a sweat and my heart rate increases dramatically. If you burned it, you earned it. If there is <any> doubt about the quality of the calorie tabulation, I wouldn't "eat it back".. just like I don't eat back the calories I log from more low impact activities. (Bowling, light cleaning, food prep, toddler wrestling, etc.) I only "eat back" my calories after intense cardio workouts, walks/runs 2 miles or more and when I clean vigorously (I clean houses for a $$ PT). Hope that helps!!
  • zanne54
    zanne54 Posts: 336 Member
    For this sort of questionable "exercise", I log them at half their value. It's been working for me.
  • kellijauch
    kellijauch Posts: 379 Member
    I would log it, but as strength training (not to track calories burned, just to track muscle and strength training)
  • cw822
    cw822 Posts: 107
    Bit of a stretch, don't ya think?
  • MsEndomorph
    MsEndomorph Posts: 604 Member
    I suppose if you're really desperate to eat more you could log anything and everything that raises your heart rate - like driving in rush hour traffic!

    But if you're that hungry, you should probably just raise your activity level settings/lower your lbs/week goal so you can save yourself the trouble.
  • BigDnSW
    BigDnSW Posts: 641 Member
    Hi...I am a long time working guitarist and am totally gassed and sweat drenched after a gig. For me, that is a normal part of my day so I don't log it. Have worn my HRM and in a 60 minute show, I can burn up to 400 cals. And this is for me, you have your own path, it is no different than my wife teaching Kindergartners all day...it's just what she does. We do workout a lot together and that's what we or I count: specific workouts.

    I play one of these and got it when it was new...love it...many miles, many shows. Enjoy your music...it's a wonderful gift!

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  • AlyssaJoJo
    AlyssaJoJo Posts: 449 Member
    If you think it counts count it. Plenty of people log more active video games as a work out.
  • rassha01
    rassha01 Posts: 534 Member
    If you have to ask I would say probably not.
  • xaMErica
    xaMErica Posts: 284 Member
    My fiancé is in a band. Yes it counts =p (real drums)
    Not too sure about Rock Bank though...
  • jerber160
    jerber160 Posts: 2,607 Member
    i record things like this... especially if my hr is 'in the zone'
  • Spresto2
    Spresto2 Posts: 53 Member
    Hey! I don't think there is right or wrong answer. I'd say you'll have to use your best judgement. I do think, overall, logging exercise can potentially slow or halt weight loss, if that is your goal because it's all such an estimation game...unless you are weighing each morsel of food and counting calories to the finite digit (which some may say and think they are to them I bow to thee, but even still it's never 100% accurate) and then when measuring your calorie burn with or without setting a heart rate monitor up to meet your personal stats...it's all going to be fuzzy numbers. Ballpark. So, to play it safe, personally I just log the workouts that truly fall into the "workout" category. ANY EXTRA MOVING you do is going to be icing on the cake. So, keep doing the rock band thing, it's burning way more calories than watching someone else do it. The people on here who mock such activities and related question displease me.
  • skparker2
    skparker2 Posts: 132
    I had a short stint of wanting to learn to play drums a couple months back. And for leisure, I fiddle with the guitar (have been learning to play for over 3 years), so this definitely peaked my interest!!!

    Dang, why can't people be on board with this? LOL. But seriously, if it's only Rock Band, I probably wouldn't, but if you legit on a real kit or whatever, whatever floats your boat, dude.

    Some people count the most interesting things (not just talkin' cleaning, hahaha).

    Either way, rudiments and drumming in general is a mental work-out for me, so it'd be nice to think you could burn calories, hahahaha.
  • TheEffort
    TheEffort Posts: 1,028 Member
    I'd log it...keep those beats coming. :smile:

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  • tsimblist
    tsimblist Posts: 206 Member
    I play the hammered dulcimer. Twice a month I have a gig where I play two 30 minute sets and I am sweating when I am finished.

    I found that MFP has a cardio database entry for "Music playing, drums".

    I log 60 minutes and get 315 calories for my efforts and eat back every one of those suckers.
  • Spresto2
    Spresto2 Posts: 53 Member
    Oh yeah and here something fun to do when you first get the HRM: wear it to do mundane life things, grocery shopping/going to your normal work for 8 hours (like if you are a nurse or someone who moves a lot and can actually get away with having it on)/helping someone move/painting a wall...whatever...and THEN wear it just sitting and staring at a TV or computer for a same time duration and SEE the difference in burn between sitting at resting heart rate (total resting heart rate...like the sloth hear rate) and the rate at which your heart beats moving while doing ANYTHING that isn't considered "CARDIO" (by those that have stringent criteria that needs met before classifying an activity as such). You'll noticed you burn WAY way waaaay more doing SOMETHING, anything...than just sitting. It kinda makes you wanna find things to get into! And keeps you from sitting for too long when you know you'll fit in an extra 100 cal. if you just GET UP.
  • majica8
    majica8 Posts: 210 Member
    Thanks guys, I doubt I will log it, just wanted some opinions.

    And just to clarify, I'm not "desperate" for extra calories. I already did a 5 mile bike ride earlier today (as I do most days, minimum) burning almost 400 cals. I've just had my last main meal of the day and have 500 calories to spare just to get my NET for the day up to my BMR, so if anything I'm already doing too much. This was mainly about logging if the only form of "exercise" I do in a day is playing drums for whatever reason.

    Also, you haven't played expert RB drums on tough/fast songs if you don't think it is some kind of a workout :tongue:


    I considered wearing the HRM for 24 hours when I first got it but it's my understanding that they are far less accurate when you are just sitting doing nothing, and can't really be used to figure out/record how many calories you burn in 24 hours.
  • phjorg1
    phjorg1 Posts: 642 Member
    correct.. hrms are only accurate while doing cardio as i said. note. heartrate going up does NOT mean cardio is being done. being scared, being hot, having medical conditions, can all raise heartrate, but have no bearing on calorieburn.

    cardio in this case is defined as the bodies cardio energy system is providing power to move the muscles. when dking low impact things like drumming it's more so the fatty acid system powering the body. it's far more efficient, so hrm calculations will be inflated. in your case even less accurate since your resting rate is so high so the vo2max variable in your hrm is way off giving you a naturally to high calculation.

    tldr: only use a hrm while doing honest to goodness cardio. anything else and your hrm is spitting out a random number.
  • ruhaathehippy
    ruhaathehippy Posts: 1 Member
    I play drums in bands most days and for several hours at a time. I've been using a friend's old Timex chest strap heart rate monitor to try and figure out how many calories I burn in rehearsals and gigs with different bands. Unfortunately the chest strap doesn't work too well whilst drumming because I think it comes away from my body momentarily and causes spikes the readout. I'm getting a Polar H7 in the hopes that it might improve things a bit. This is the whole reason I started getting into heart rate monitoring in the first place. I just couldn't find a lot online about how many calories people burn whilst playing the drums. I've found that playing rock and heavy metal burns about 500 calories an hour whereas the blues bands I do are considerably less, around 200-300. I say log it if you've worked up a sweat doing it then it's exercise. Just make sure you train properly too.
  • tomatoey
    tomatoey Posts: 5,446 Member
    edited May 2015
    I use TDEE so can't remember how it's set up if you're doing it the MFP way. What I would do is this:
    - figure out how much activity you're really doing. Here is a chart to compare METS. I bet drumming's in the 1-3 MET range. Count that plus all the exercise you do on a calculator like this or this to get your weekly activity level
    - Then go team TDEE

    fwiw all the drummers I've ever known have been really cut. Seems like a lot of work
  • MeanderingMammal
    MeanderingMammal Posts: 7,866 Member
    Spresto2 wrote: »
    Hey! I don't think there is right or wrong answer.

    The wrong answer is considering this as cardiovascular exercise.

    A different, but related, wrong answer is considering an HRM estimate of calorie expenditure as meaningful in this context.

    The HR reported n the original post isn't particularly high anyway, so even if considering this as training of some kind, it's not high quality.

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