What’s Bleach Doing in My Fruit?
Acg67
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Is it time to ban fruit and veggies?
http://nutsci.org/2013/05/29/whats-bleach-doing-in-my-fruit/
Bonus chemicals we should ban!
Six chemicals we consume in our food and drink that should be banned
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2013/jun/28/six-chemicals-food-drink-banned
http://nutsci.org/2013/05/29/whats-bleach-doing-in-my-fruit/
Last month, I came across a blog post at Prevention magazine titled “What’s Anti-Freeze Doing in Fast Food?”, based on a blog post titled “6 Cosmetic Chemicals in Fast Food.” The intent is to frighten people away from fast food by pointing out some scary sounding chemicals used in food production and preservation, like propylene glycol and sodium stearoyl lactylate that happen to be used in cosmetic products as well.
So, to show how irrational this is, I submit a rebuttal in similar format using “natural” chemicals in foods with no argument over their healthiness: fruits and vegetables. Interestingly, though I didn’t originally intend it, all of these are found in cosmetic products, showing just how easy it is to find overlap.
Formaldehyde
Found in beets, cauliflower, grapes, bananas, apples (likely measurable to some degree in all foods; human metabolic by-product) (1).
Used to preserve human remains and as a fungicide (2).
Classified as “known to be a human carcinogen” by the World Health Organization’s International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) (3).
Also used in shampoos and other cosmetics (2).
Hydrogen Peroxide
Found in apples, pears, tomatoes, coffee (and human metabolic by-product) (4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9).
Used as rocket fuel, in explosives, and as a bleaching agent (10).
Known mutagen (11).
Also used in teeth whiteners, mouthwash, and other cosmetics (12).
Acetaldehyde
Found in bananas, oranges, apples, carrots, cucumbers, onions (13).
Used in fuel mixtures and glues (14).
Classified as “possibly carcinogenic to humans” by the IARC, causes cancer in animals (15).
Also used as a fragrance in shampoos and other cosmetics (16).
Furfural
Found in cranberries, grapefruit, celery, onions (17).
Used to kill weeds and as an extraction solvent (18).
Causes cancer in animals (19).
Also used in cosmetics (18).
Myristicin
Found in carrots, nutmeg (16).
Hallucinogen (20).
Causes organ damage in animals (20).
Also used in cosmetics as a fragrance (20).
Estragole
Found in apples (21).
Present in tobacco smoke (22).
Causes cancer in animals (22).
Also used in perfumes, soaps, and other cosmetics as a fragrance (22).
So, no, antifreeze and cosmetic chemicals aren’t in fast food anymore than a bleach is (and cosmetic chemicals are) in an apple. Food is chemicals and chemicals have different applications at different doses. The dose makes the poison and the small amounts of chemicals added to foods are continuously scrutinized and allowable levels enforced. Whether chemicals are derived naturally or not has no bearing on individual toxicity. In fact, it is likely that there is a greater cancer risk from natural food chemicals than synthetic, as the proportion that demonstrate carcinogenic properties in animal testing is about equal, yet natural chemicals make up much more of the diet (23). Of course, the doses are in most cases not close to reachable in humans. The real nutrition-related cancer risks do not come from food additives (24).
Scaring people toward “real food” by exploiting the fear of chemicals is disingenuous and does a disservice to public understanding of risk perception and chemistry. The promotion of healthy dietary patterns should be done using science-based information.
Bonus chemicals we should ban!
Six chemicals we consume in our food and drink that should be banned
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2013/jun/28/six-chemicals-food-drink-banned
Last week BuzzFeed published a list of eight foods that folks in the USA are eating but are banned in other parts of the world. The chemical community turned its venom on BuzzFeed. But I think BuzzFeed did a pretty good job of bringing the debate on chemicals in food to the fore. Don't believe the defence of food additives coming from the likes of Derek Lowe. After all he's part of the mainstream chemical conspiracy so he would defend chemicals wouldn't he?
Before you go breathing a sigh of relief and gloating that those of us outside the US don't get these chemicals in our foods, best think again. You may well live in enlightened areas of the world, with governments that keep you safe from such poisons, but BuzzFeed only scratched the surface. There are plenty of foodstuffs in your larder that are just as bad.
Here's my list of foods, drinks and other kitchen terrors that BuzzFeed might just as easily have mentioned.
E290
E numbers are bad, we all know that. And E290 is no exception. It sneaks its way into fizzy drinks, bread and even your homemade cakes. But this chemical is probably the worst of the lot, because if we don't stop producing it then we are heading for global disaster. The scientific literature is quite clear on the subject, there are over a million peer-reviewed papers that describe the harmful effect it is having on our environment. And they put this stuff in our kids' lemonade!
8-methyl-N-vannillyl-6-nonenamide
With a name like 8-methyl-N-vannillyl-6-nonenamide it's bound to be a baddie. If you want more evidence of its unpleasantness then you may like to know that it is used by the police to control rioters. But that doesn't stop it turning up in our nation's favourite meals. In fact you have almost certainly suffered the consequence of an overzealous chef adding a bit too much of this stuff to your Saturday night post-pub curry or kebab. Do excessive sweating, burning sensations and indigestion sound familiar? Well that's good old 8-methyl-N-vannillyl-6-nonenamide for you. Would you believe they even put it in chocolate?
Denatured protein
You might not know this but Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's and CJD (the human version of mad cow disease) are all caused by proteins that have misfolded. Basically perfectly normal proteins get shape-shifted into evil versions of themselves that then cause dreadful diseases. And guess what, when you fry your egg you cause the proteins in the white to misfold. I'll leave you to draw the obvious conclusion.
DHMO
Fruit juice contains a chemical, DHMO, that is also produced by rocket engines. Think about it for a moment. The same stuff that comes shooting out the back of a rocket on its way to the International Space Station is sloshing around in your fridge and you drink it for breakfast! And nobody does a damn thing about it!
Remember the Hindenburg disaster? The chemical reaction that destroyed the airship also produced DHMO. Fancy that in your refreshing glass of orange juice? I don't care if you have squeezed the stuff straight from citrus fruit grown in your very own organic orangery, with every sip you're consuming DHMO. It can even be found in mineral water, tap water, rainwater – in fact the oceans, rivers and lakes are literally full of the stuff.
NaCl
Not one but two deadly poisons here. What do you think makes salty snacks so appealing? Nothing other than a delicious mix of a chemical warfare agent used in the trenches of the first world war and an explosive metal. They put this chemical on our crisps, nuts and chips!
Uranium
And finally one that glows in the dark. In anyone's book, that can't be good. You don't eat it, but you might be eating out of it. Got any green glassware in the house? Well then RUN FOR THE HILLS! There's a good chance it contains uranium! Unbelievably, you can just buy the stuff on the internet, without the slightest controls being in place. Forget food safety for a moment – why aren't British Nuclear Fuels rounding up every last fragment and burying it with their radioactive waste?
Point made, I hope.
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I say we simply ban food. I mean, 100% of people who eat food die. It's obviously killing us!0
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I say we simply ban food. I mean, 100% of people who eat food die. It's obviously killing us!
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I say we simply ban food. I mean, 100% of people who eat food die. It's obviously killing us!
^Exactly this.
Thanks for the post. Love it.0 -
I just want to eat organic broccolli.
I heard it tastes like chocolate!0 -
:drinker: I'm going to have a nice bowl full of air, oh, wait...0
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Acg67? The common sense is strong in this one!0
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buy organic?????0
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I say we simply ban food. I mean, 100% of people who eat food die. It's obviously killing us!
perfect solution!!!
we need to ban water as well - that stuff is just FULL of DHMO!!0 -
I say we simply ban food. I mean, 100% of people who eat food die. It's obviously killing us!
perfect solution!!!
we need to ban water as well - that stuff is just FULL of DHMO!!0 -
buy organic?????
Those chemical compounds are contained in the fruits and vegetables naturally. Which was OP's point. It doesn't matter if you buy organic or not.0 -
I say we simply ban food. I mean, 100% of people who eat food die. It's obviously killing us!
Except beer... gotta keep beer :drinker: :drinker: :drinker:0 -
And one more thing to add: Won't anyone yhink of the children?!0
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I say we simply ban food. I mean, 100% of people who eat food die. It's obviously killing us!
Except beer... gotta keep beer :drinker: :drinker: :drinker:
And chocolate!0 -
I love it!!! :drinker:
I also love the "stay away from processed foods" cry too... when just merely cutting up and/or cooking food is processing it.0 -
I say we simply ban food. I mean, 100% of people who eat food die. It's obviously killing us!
Except beer... gotta keep beer :drinker: :drinker: :drinker:
I think that goes without saying...0 -
8-methyl-N-vannillyl-6-nonenamide is my hero0
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What, fruit is bad for me too? Damnit!
First it was "If you drink 2 pitchers of sweet tea a day your teeth will rot/you'll get fat" then it was all "If you drink two 2-liters of diet soda a day your get meth mouth" and NOW fruit is trying to get me.
Is nothing safe?0 -
I say we simply ban food. I mean, 100% of people who eat food die. It's obviously killing us!
Except beer... gotta keep beer :drinker: :drinker: :drinker:
I think that goes without saying...
Man kind can live on beer alone!
At least on weekends . . .0 -
This post should be stickied and we can just link to it every time some idiot goes off about 'chemicals' in food.0
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Food is poison. Don't eat it.0
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I say we simply ban food. I mean, 100% of people who eat food die. It's obviously killing us!
Except beer... gotta keep beer :drinker: :drinker: :drinker:
I think that goes without saying...
Man kind can live on beer alone!
At least on weekends . . .
But what about the sandwich I made you?
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I say we simply ban food. I mean, 100% of people who eat food die. It's obviously killing us!
This for sure! NO MORE FOOD! NO MORE FOOD! :laugh: :laugh:0 -
Bleach in fruit? So that's what they mean by clean eating...0
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Ban everything, everywhere, from everyone at all times.
If you micro analyse all the food you eat, you'll never eat anything again.0 -
There's plenty of room between ignoring everything about added chemicals and trying to avoid all chemicals.0
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It seems only fair. I mean they put lemon in bleach.0
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I say we simply ban food. I mean, 100% of people who eat food die. It's obviously killing us!
^^^ thread winner ^^^0 -
I think we should ban Dihydrogen Monoxide. it's a major component of Acid Rain, contributes to soil erosion, in a gas form it can cause severe burns, it corrodes metals, it has been found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors. It is used as an industrial solvent and coolant, it's used in the production of Styrofoam, it is used to maintain chemical balance in swimming pools, AND is in pesticide production and distribution.
Learn more here: http://www.dhmo.org/
Of course, many of us might know DHMO as its more common acronym..... H2O.0
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