do you consider this process to be healthy for your kids?

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  • rowanwood
    rowanwood Posts: 509 Member
    I absolutely think its a positive thing in you and your child's life. I have a 4 and 6 year old, I don't ever talk about being fat or unhappy with any part of my body, I don't weight myself or talk about weight with them, we talk about healthy food choices, how it makes you big and strong, how food can keep your teeth and bones strong, my 6 year old is always asking me about food, what's good and what's not, I love teaching them about the healthy lifestyle we live.

    This is the "process" I'm doing too. It's not about neglecting myself or abusing myself or making chocolate bars naughty or bad or evil or poison.

    I was eating thousands of calories of junk a day and it made me fatter than I wanted to be. I am eating a reasonable amount now of better food choices, still allowing for treats. I NEVER talk about what I "can't" have, just what I choose not to on occasion. If I don't get to my "goal" weight, I will never stand around and tell myself or my child I'm terrible. Sometimes, my brain offers that and I tell it to shut the heck up.
  • wineplease
    wineplease Posts: 469 Member
    We discuss why diet pop is poison, we have a rule about soda not being an I'm thirsty drink, but a treat, etc.

    Wait....poison is a treat for your kids? I think you and I differ on the definition of the word poison. Or maybe on the word treat.
  • kgerm317
    kgerm317 Posts: 191 Member
    I am a single mother of twin 6 year old boys. They have seen my journey from the beginning. When they ask me why I get up early to work out, it's because I want to be healthier. When they ask me why I'm not having ice cream with them after dinner, I tell them that I am full from dinner and that dessert is not something we need to eat to be strong and healthy. I told them once that I was sick of being fat. They looked at me like I had six heads and one of them said "you aren't fat mommy, you're beautiful". I thanked him, hugged and kissed him. Then I told him "You're right, baby. Mommy's not fat. But she doesn't always make the healthy choice and she wants to try to make better choices" He related to that much better and while I still have negative thoughts about myself sometimes, I keep them to myself. I no longer talk negatively about myself, as I know that I do not like when someone I love talks negatively about themself.

    When we grocery shop, I ask them to help me pick out healthy foods that they like. They LOVE all fruits and vegetables so it isn't hard. We don't buy a lot of cereal or packaged foods because I try to keep it clean as best as I can. They enjoy helping me bake or cook meals and that gives me an opportunity to discuss with them the benefits of the foods we eat. We talk about protein and fiber and fats and sugars. I don't deprive them of "treats"- we still drive thru McDonald's for a happy meal from time to time. They may not fully understand what I'm telling them, but I am honest and teaching my children valuable information to help them fuel their bodies properly.

    I LOVE the Dear Mum letter, by the way. Thanks for sharing that!
  • amylb0822
    amylb0822 Posts: 69 Member
    I have always been overweight ... all my life.

    My Mom and Dad sad nothing to us kids about good food or bad food or even about exercise or healthy habits. As with a lot of things that most parents might teach there kids, my parents didn't teach us any of that stuff.

    The effect was that I didn't grow up knowing those things. I ate what I wanted and how much I wanted. i wasn't active and those habits stuck with me.

    I chose to be a different type of Mom to my daughter. She has always known healthy food, and has always been involved in activities like gymnastics and swimming. She is thin, graceful and healthy and has an awesome self image! I am teaching her to cook now and teaching her meal plannign and kitchen skills (she is 11) .

    My point I guess is that moderation is the key. Teach kids what they need to know about these subjects. Exhibit good habits and positive behaviors. They will need to know how to eat healthy for their lives.... but not to the point of it becoming obsessive.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    Soda is poison.

    Don't lie to your kids. Just tell them soda has lots of sugar and other ingredients that don't make it healthy if consumed in large quantities. But, don't tell them it's poison.

    This...don't teach your kids to have a bad relationship with food. A little soda from time to time isn't killing anyone...drinking several 32 oz big gulps daily is another story...but I'm pretty sure that's explainable without food shaming.
  • todayis4me
    todayis4me Posts: 184 Member
    My decision to start exercising and eating healthier started when I got on the scale and realized I was 285 pounds. A few weeks later my husband who is diagnosed with MS suffered a heart attack at the age of 35 while my nine year old son watched. The fact that since then our family has collectively made better healthier food choices has actually helped my son feel better about what happened. I have been very open with him. He knows exactly what changes I have made in order to lose weight and why it was/is so important. We discuss healthy portions, calories, fat content etc. He knows the difference between everyday foods our body needs and ok treats for occasion. Nothing is off limits. He knows mom has lost 101 pounds. He was happy to report to me the day he hugged me and his arms could go all the way around. I was shocked when his bus driver saw me in the store and told me how proud my son is of me. He has heard his father and I always confess our love for one another. Even better he heard my husband explain to me when I complained that he did not act excited about my new shape and size......that he always loved me not my shape or size. So yes I think this has been a very healthy process for my whole family. As with everything it is all in the communication.
  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,458 Member
    diet pop is not poison. In my opinion, that type of talk undermines your credibility as a parent and as an adult.

    When I found out that the stories my parents told were fiction, I then dismissed everything they told me as questionable.

    You may dislike diet pop, you may choose not to stock your home with it. But calling it poison is a lie. Don't lie to your kids, or yourself.

    This is absolutely how I feel about that.

    Diet soda isn't "poison."

    I stopped believing my mom when she told me that if I used tampons my future husband wouldn't believe I was a virgin. I read the box. Mom = liar. I think I was 11.
  • greentart
    greentart Posts: 411 Member
    This is going to come from a very personal place.

    My mom is and was a very loving person. Loving of everyone but herself. I grew up with the constant stream of she was gaining weight, she needed to exercise more, she needed to eat less, she needed to lose weight. It wasn't fun. It was not a healthy thing to grow up with.
    I now have body issues, and I really can't blame anyone but myself. However, my mother's attitude toward herself has not in any way made me a healthier person. If anything, it's a detriment to my own growth and learning, because from such a young age I was taught that SIZE was important, not health.

    You can teach your children to be healthy, without giving them food or body issues. Right now, with what you're doing... I would stop. Teach them moderation. Teach them about fresh fruits and veggies and good meats. Teach them to love themselves. To be strong and healthy. Teach them that exercise is good and fun, not a punishment.

    So, to answer your question directly, no... it's not healthy for your kids. Or my kids. Or anyone's kids. And yes, it DOES have an effect on them, and normally its a bad one.
  • etoiles_argentees
    etoiles_argentees Posts: 2,827 Member
    This is going to come from a very personal place.

    My mom is and was a very loving person. Loving of everyone but herself. I grew up with the constant stream of she was gaining weight, she needed to exercise more, she needed to eat less, she needed to lose weight. It wasn't fun. It was not a healthy thing to grow up with.
    I now have body issues, and I really can't blame anyone but myself. However, my mother's attitude toward herself has not in any way made me a healthier person. If anything, it's a detriment to my own growth and learning, because from such a young age I was taught that SIZE was important, not health.

    You can teach your children to be healthy, without giving them food or body issues. Right now, with what you're doing... I would stop. Teach them moderation. Teach them about fresh fruits and veggies and good meats. Teach them to love themselves. To be strong and healthy. Teach them that exercise is good and fun, not a punishment.

    So, to answer your question directly, no... it's not healthy for your kids. Or my kids. Or anyone's kids. And yes, it DOES have an effect on them, and normally its a bad one.

    This. Several studies indicate that young children are more likely to become overweight later in life when their parents restricted them from "junk" food. A few years back researchers showed a study of almost 15000 boys and girls between 9 and 17 over 3 years. The kids "dieting" in the sample gained much more weight than the nondieters and were more likely to engage in binge eating.I believe it was a study done by Harvard and Stanford, directed by by Alison Field and Austin?
  • Cheeky_0102
    Cheeky_0102 Posts: 408 Member
    diet pop is not poison. In my opinion, that type of talk undermines your credibility as a parent and as an adult.

    When I found out that the stories my parents told were fiction, I then dismissed everything they told me as questionable.

    You may dislike diet pop, you may choose not to stock your home with it. But calling it poison is a lie. Don't lie to your kids, or yourself.

    we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

    Are you saying that soda/pop is 'poison'? :noway: I had lemonade today and I am still alive!

    You sound very obsessive, and I would advocate that everything is fine in moderation, but that some foods don't provide you with as much nutrients. Coming from someone who had eating disorders from the age of 8 which was caused by my mother, you should probably relax some.

    Pop, lemonade, ice tea, etc are not poison. Aspertame is not food, and causes damage to your body and brain, therefore they are poison. Just because it doesn't kill you today (or ever) doesn't make it not poison. Take carbon monoxide. We are all exposed to it every day in varying amounts, most of us won't die of carbon monoxide poisoning, but it is dangerous (i know people who HAVE died of carbon monoxide posoning) and is a poison.

    I don't need to argue this farther, since it's on the clean/macros debate, and i don't really care. As far as I'm concerned with kids, aspertame is a NEVER food, like cocaine. Just don't go there. If they feel the need to rebel against me with diet coke, i'll just have to chuckle.
  • ncmedic201
    ncmedic201 Posts: 540 Member
    I think it's been healthy for my 15 year old. We are eating healthier. I've not made him alter what he eats because of my choices. He still eats pizza and ice cream even if I choose not to. I do make him try new foods that I make. He's not a picky eater and usually enjoys the new foods.

    He is about 20 lbs overweight. He's 6 ft tall so it's not a huge amount. I've never told him to lose weight because I didn't think it was good for him to diet. He has finally decided on his own that he's ready to "get in shape". We went and bought him a new bike yesterday because he wants to ride with me. We had a great talk about changing his eating habits so that he's controlling portions better. He's very excited for Tuesday to get here so he can get his cast on his arm switched from a full cast to a short cast. I'm excited for him!
  • jakkisr
    jakkisr Posts: 175 Member
    My 'kids' are now 24 and 21 ... I've never been overweight and always eaten healthy and never taken separate meals from them even when timings were bad with work etc.

    My advice, just stop talking about it, serve healthy meals, make it tasty. They'll go through the teenage years not liking this that or the other but they come out the other side knowing what's healthy just because you've led by example.

    Keep up the good work!
  • mindidily
    mindidily Posts: 196 Member
    I know it's healthy for my kids. I don't really say things like "Can't have x, y or z". I still fit in my treats. My kids eat the same way I do, whether it's "splurge day" and we're having pizza or grilling some chicken and having veggies on the side. My 3 year old loves drinking water and having fruit/veggies. He will tell you "I have to drink my fresh water/eat broccoli so I grow big and strong!" But the kid can eat some ice cream if I give it to him! He also pays attention to what we are doing. He will exercise with me or go on walks. It's a great example I think.
  • jakkisr
    jakkisr Posts: 175 Member
    @mindilily yes! Absolutely!
  • mdcoug
    mdcoug Posts: 397 Member
    I think if you frame it more positively, it doesn't have to have a negative impact. So...

    From
    "Soda is poison."

    To:
    "No thanks, I really feel like a glass of water. It is great for my body and I feel refreshed after."

    From
    "I wish I could have this, but I will have this instead."

    To:
    "I'm going to eat this healthy meal--not only will it fill me up, I'm getting all the nutrients I need and it tastes great.

    Listen, I know that making dietary and health changes are frustrating, but if you continue to focus on what you can't do instead of all the benefits you're getting, you're going to fail. And your kids will definitely pick up on your negative feelings. Congratulate yourself on making healthy choices and also congratulate them when they follow in your footsteps.
  • Cheeky_0102
    Cheeky_0102 Posts: 408 Member
    I think if you frame it more positively, it doesn't have to have a negative impact. So...

    From
    "Soda is poison."

    To:
    "No thanks, I really feel like a glass of water. It is great for my body and I feel refreshed after."

    From
    "I wish I could have this, but I will have this instead."

    To:
    "I'm going to eat this healthy meal--not only will it fill me up, I'm getting all the nutrients I need and it tastes great.

    Listen, I know that making dietary and health changes are frustrating, but if you continue to focus on what you can't do instead of all the benefits you're getting, you're going to fail. And your kids will definitely pick up on your negative feelings. Congratulate yourself on making healthy choices and also congratulate them when they follow in your footsteps.

    I did mention that for the most part, i don;t project any of this on my kids. i was just giving eaxamples to see if anyone feels like there are goods and bads to the process.
    This week has been the week of needing a sarcasm font.
    I'm not lying to small children and telling that that soda is poison (although i stand by my feelings on aspertame, and tell them that they just shouldn't go there any more than they should suck an exhaust pipe) I will make an offhand remark when my husband says I'm going in to get a pop, would like one, i'll say, "eek, poison!"
    I'm not depriving my kids of treats, nor am i depriving myself of treats. I am imparting my cooking skills to my kids, and we spend a lot of time in the kitchen cooking both healthy and sweet treats. My 12 year old boy can bake brownies from scratch by himself!

    90% of the time, they won't even notice that I'm eating differently than i used to. And to be honest, we have always eaten healthy, i just have trouble with portions. so not much has changed.

    It just makes me scared like the story of a 4 year old saying i can't eat today because i gained weight, i was wondering if anyone had similar experiences
  • chandanista
    chandanista Posts: 986 Member
    I've tried to make it a positive experience for the family.

    "Look, this bread has all sorts of grains and smells wonderful! I'll bet it tastes great too!" (It does)
    "Don't you love dance class? It makes you stronger and gives you flexibility that could help you in your life. Then you won't look silly in Zumba like I do right now; I'm just now learning things you can do already."

    "Isn't it so cool that you're only 6 and you walked a 5k race with me? Some people don't do these races until they're 20! Pioneers used to walk 20 miles a day by their wagons."

    "See how happy the dog is that you walked him around the block an extra time today?" She was in the room when the vet said he needed to lose his middle-age pound. She's been very helpful in helping run the dog around extra times in a day.

    Focus on the positive. She doesn't know how much weight I've lost, she does know how much she's gained but I try to put that into perspective with the fact she's growing taller and is very healthy on the internet chart I found for calculating kids' BMI.

    My husband, on the other hand, complains that having low cal cheese, low fat yogurt and low carb bread is "turning him into a sissy." He hasn't complained around the kids yet, and I consoled him during his last complaint session by pointing out his taco had full fat cheese and hamburger on it, just for him. I do buy some of my foods for just me, and full fat versions for the family, but predictably they break into my food when they're done with their own snacks. So far, I hear that "my" food tastes pretty good.

    It's all about perspective, I guess.
  • chandanista
    chandanista Posts: 986 Member
    Oh, and I often say "Healthy body, healthy mind, healthy spirit." Yes the daughter rolls her eyes, but she loves improving herself almost as much as I do...picking up recyclables on long walks, learning big new words, and climbing the rock wall at the community center all by herself.
  • hdlb
    hdlb Posts: 333 Member
    We do not talk about being "fat" in our house, we do not talk about calories, or logging food. We do talk about what is healthy vs. not so healthy for us, we talk about what food does to our body (both good and bad) we talk about why exercise is good for us and how its important to move lots. We make almost everything ourselves, not because I want to, but because we have no choice. Between the 5 people in our family we have some pretty serious allergies as well as Celiac and Crohns disease. Buying a box of pop tarts or making a frozen pizza for dinner will never be an option.

    And all my kids - 10, 5 and 3, cook. They help in the kitchen and WILL know how to cook for themselves when they are grown up. My daughter is right now preparing a roast chicken to go into the oven, and she'll make corn and mashed potatoes to go with it. . (Her night to cook, she picked the menu) I think its incredibly important that kids know how to cook for themselves before becoming adults. I want them to have a brain full of cooking knowledge so they aren't relying on fast food and pre-packaged meals. If they choose that path anyway, then that is their choice but at least I will know I did what I could.

    Our kids usually get 3 home cooked meals a day, but they do get treats,. Today after spending most of our morning cleaning all the water from our flooded basement, we had Wendys.
  • momzeeee
    momzeeee Posts: 475 Member
    I'm not lying to small children and telling that that soda is poison (although i stand by my feelings on aspertame, and tell them that they just shouldn't go there any more than they should suck an exhaust pipe) I will make an offhand remark when my husband says I'm going in to get a pop, would like one, i'll say, "eek, poison!"

    Wow, just wow.
  • vinylscratch
    vinylscratch Posts: 218 Member
    I don't disagree about aspertame. My kids won't drink it either. For me and my body, it actually is poison and genetics means it likely will be for them too.

    I think it's important to get them thinking about all the ingredients we deem "safe" just because the FDA says so and they're everywhere. Cigs were once "safe" because everyone smoked. Even doctors. There are a lot of commonplace ingredients we eat everyday that are banned in the EU and elsewhere. Lobbyists spend ungodly amounts of time and energy trying to convince you their wonder ingredient is OK, even though it may or may not be.

    Instead of associating it with poison, maybe there's a more positive way to get your kids thinking for themselves. I think learning about sugar would be a cool way to do it. How much is in food, how it affects your body, and the different ways we get sweeteners -- sugar canes, agave cactuses, and lab chemicals. You could do a 'hands-on' experiment where they could have just a tiny taste of each one and make note of what it looks like, tastes like, smells like -- be real scientists. Then you can learn what kind of sweetener is in different types of foods. Really blow their mind -- show them savory stuff that has sugar, too! Have little tastes of the foods and discuss how it affects your body. There's a lot of experiments you can do to pass an afternoon that would be really fun and teach them how to think about what's in food!
  • _chiaroscuro
    _chiaroscuro Posts: 1,340 Member
    Okay I'll take a pass on your beliefs about soda because neither of us is going to change the other's mind, and just say that with your larger question, trust your instincts as a parent. If you have serious concerns about what your children are learning from you about body image and food, chances are they are warranted. Being more mindful of what they hear coming out of your mouth certainly couldn't hurt them.

    I'll share my own experience since you've asked. I have a 6-yr-old daughter who is mindful of moderation in all things because that's what we value as a family. We don't separate "good" and "bad" foods, exercise is play, and bodies are beautiful and appreciated for what they can do. But little to none of this is formal instruction, it just bubbles up naturally from what we do in our daily lives. I may have my hurdles and worries, but they're mine. I discuss them with other adults only, and so far I am happier and healthier for this process and so is my family. I'm sure I'm not doing everything perfectly but that's what's gone on so far.
  • BondBomb
    BondBomb Posts: 1,781 Member
    I am nearly 40 years old. I was an average sized kid that liked food. My mom pushed her food and weight issues on to me. I now realize I didn't have a weight problem...no issue....until I needed to lose weight after having a baby. I was normal and sometimes below average weight all of my life. However I will never feel that way. Even now she will do things like randomly ask me 'have you considered going to Jenny Craig'. Because she thinks being underweight is healthy and beautiful. Even though she tops 200 lbs. I have to brush these things off. But it has permanently damaged my psyche.
  • Lennonluv2
    Lennonluv2 Posts: 956 Member
    This is a good topic. My son who is eight was with me at the Supermarket and wanted me to buy a box of cupcakes. I took a look at the package and told him no, maybe next time. He then asked me if it was because they have too many calories? I said no, that's not why. The truth was that I just didn't have the money. When we do buy sweets we eat them in moderation.

    I was taken aback by his question. I did tell him it's important to eat healthy but he doesn't have to worry about counting calories, I have to say also that he was given a pedometer at school and has been wearing it and writing down how many steps he takes. He comes with me to the gym where they have a program for kids. He runs a mile twice a week there.

    I do worry though that he might start to over think what he eats because of Mom and Dad counting calories etc.
  • savithny
    savithny Posts: 1,200 Member
    I try very hard to avoid self-hating talk, fat shaming, anything like that. We talk about food and exercise in terms of health -- how our bodies need to move regularly, how we need to keep our muscles strong. We talk about the nutritive value of food -- how protein and fat and carbs all have roles to play. We talk about vitamins and minerals.

    No food is bad food, but we also talk about how some foods used to be rare, so people think of them as treats - and that those foods can be pleasurable, but if we eat them in large quantities our bodies don't do as well.

    I am purposely not talking about logging foods with them, or calorie restriction, or anything like that. I *have* sometimes looked at the calorie totals on a "treat" food and said "That's as much as a grown person should eat all day!"
  • bokodasu
    bokodasu Posts: 629 Member
    I work really hard to make physical health be mentally healthy for my girls. We talk about being strong, and eating things to give you energy to do fun things like playing tag or doing the monkey bars, and I let them sign up for any sport they want to try.

    My younger daughter is a bit of a nut, so, ok, we also have dinnertime discussions about how broccoli makes you poop and if you don't eat it you'll fill up with poop and explode. And both girls are allowed to do muscle poses after each bite of a disliked vegetable if it gets them to eat them, which is counterproductive on the "nice table manners" front but I'm hoping they'll grow out of it. But other than that, I try to stay away from "you have to/aren't allowed to" eat certain things. And I would not touch with a 10-foot pole the idea that "you can eat this, but only if you've already obtained an arbitrary weight goal and don't deserve it if you haven't."

    It's all about the framing.
  • KaciJO8
    KaciJO8 Posts: 5 Member
    my siblings are 11 and 12 and are in desperate need of a health change. i set them up with an account, heavily monitored by me and my parents, and the elder one seems to love it. it helps him make better choices. the younger is really getting in the habit of recording what she eats and will soon start to "see the light". i think that this process can be very healthy for kids.
  • sunshyncatra
    sunshyncatra Posts: 598 Member
    Children should not be counting calories. Your parents need to help them make better choices by providing healthy choices.
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  • avskk
    avskk Posts: 1,787 Member
    It's wonderfully healthy for my son, but he has no idea that anything I do is weight-loss-related. We go hiking at the trail because it's fun, we went for a walk around the neighborhood this evening because I'd been sitting all day and needed to get out, I go to the gym because I want to be stronger, we go swimming because it's awesome, we walk to nearby stores because we don't want to wear out the car... and as far as food goes, all he's ever known is that Mommy buys & serves (mostly) healthy foods because I want him to grow up strong. I do have an exercise bike in my room and he's asked about that; I gave him the honest answer ("On my days off of work I tend to laze around in bed too much and it doesn't make me feel good") and he was well-satisfied.

    I guess I don't understand why kids need to be told every detail of parental motivation. My son doesn't need to know I'm counting calories or logging foods; he doesn't need to know I alter our walks/runs based on my FitBit goals for the day; he doesn't need to know I have a goal weight; he doesn't need to know that I'm unhappy with how I look. All he needs to know is that we make good food choices and stay physically active for various health- and fun-related reasons, and that doing so is just how we live our lives. It's working just fine so far.