Gym etiquette/group exercise debate
ThePinkPenguin
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Yes, I know, another gym etiquette thread, but this time I'm having a debate with some of my less fitness-inclined friends (not that there is anything wrong with this, of course, but just proving a point).
I posted on my Facebook today about two women in my Zumba class who I think have been particularly rude at points. One of the women openly admitted that she walked out of another instructor's class. Mind you, it wasn't because she had an injury or some sort of emergency or whatever. She just left because she didn't like the teacher. I argue this is not right because even though everyone has a favorite instructor, if you show up and someone different is there, he/she deserves your respect and a fair chance. You shouldn't just leave just because the person isn't your favorite. The substitute still worked hard to put a class together, and if you're going to attend, you owe it to them to stay unless you have a good reason not to. I think just walking out is ignorant.
One of my friends said that it is OK that the woman did this because she may have seen that this instructor's style isn't for her, but I don't agree. I went to spinning class once and decided during part of the class that I didn't care for it, but I didn't just get off my bike and leave. I stayed and gave the instructor my time and attention, and after class, he said a lot of people don't even get through it the first time so I was proud of myself!
The second lady constantly comes late to class and leaves early. She won't even stick around for cool down, and she too has walked out on the instructor I referenced above. Sometimes I don't even notice her slip in; other times, it is definitely noticeable, especially when she walks through the crowd (and during a routine!) to get closer to the front of the room rather than staying near the back. But again, my friend and another friend's mom think this is OK because she may have no other choice but to come late and leave early because it is"better than nothing." Again, I argue that it's ignorant to whoever is teaching and she either needs to find a time where she can attend class for whole thing or not bother coming.
So...what do you guys think?
I posted on my Facebook today about two women in my Zumba class who I think have been particularly rude at points. One of the women openly admitted that she walked out of another instructor's class. Mind you, it wasn't because she had an injury or some sort of emergency or whatever. She just left because she didn't like the teacher. I argue this is not right because even though everyone has a favorite instructor, if you show up and someone different is there, he/she deserves your respect and a fair chance. You shouldn't just leave just because the person isn't your favorite. The substitute still worked hard to put a class together, and if you're going to attend, you owe it to them to stay unless you have a good reason not to. I think just walking out is ignorant.
One of my friends said that it is OK that the woman did this because she may have seen that this instructor's style isn't for her, but I don't agree. I went to spinning class once and decided during part of the class that I didn't care for it, but I didn't just get off my bike and leave. I stayed and gave the instructor my time and attention, and after class, he said a lot of people don't even get through it the first time so I was proud of myself!
The second lady constantly comes late to class and leaves early. She won't even stick around for cool down, and she too has walked out on the instructor I referenced above. Sometimes I don't even notice her slip in; other times, it is definitely noticeable, especially when she walks through the crowd (and during a routine!) to get closer to the front of the room rather than staying near the back. But again, my friend and another friend's mom think this is OK because she may have no other choice but to come late and leave early because it is"better than nothing." Again, I argue that it's ignorant to whoever is teaching and she either needs to find a time where she can attend class for whole thing or not bother coming.
So...what do you guys think?
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I think if they are leaving because of the instructor its rude, but if they are coming late and leaving early due to a time restriction then its ok.....BUT she should stay at the back of the class.
It is rude, very rude in fact to disturb the entire class because you are crunched on time.0 -
In my personal opinion I would stay until the class is done. I think it is disrespectful to just walk out. That will make the trainer self conscious and interrupt the class as well. If she was hurt or washroom break....ok.0
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Instructors are there for you, not vice versa.... And if people leaving or showing up late bothers you, you're way too sensitive. Unless it halts the class, then I'd be annoyed if it was a consistent thing.
Turn this into something positive. Be happy that you're more dedicated than others.0 -
Instructors are there for you, not vice versa.... And if people leaving or showing up late bothers you, you're way too sensitive. Unless it halts the class, then I'd be annoyed if it was a consistent thing.
Turn this into something positive. Be happy that you're more dedicated than others.
Maybe for some classes but no for others. People coming into a yoga class late is EXTREMELY disruptive, as many of them start with a meditative/breathing session and the later person has to put down their mats, get props, etc. Its not a matter of being sensitive - it really does disrupt the entire class. Maybe its different for a more active class that doesn't use equipment.0 -
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I agree with you, I think it's disrespectful! My instructor goes to great lengths to make sure she has subs when she has to be away and walking out is JUST PLAIN RUDE!!
As far as the person coming late and leaving early, maybe she has kids she needs to pick up by a certain time and figures a little workout is better than nothing? But I do think she should stay at the back of the room and not disrupt the class. And I'm surprised the instructor puts up with it, honestly.0 -
It's not Yoga where the sound of the door and footsteps of latecomers / early bolters would disrupt the class too much. I say let them be.0
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Instructors are there for you, not vice versa.... And if people leaving or showing up late bothers you, you're way too sensitive. Unless it halts the class, then I'd be annoyed if it was a consistent thing.
Turn this into something positive. Be happy that you're more dedicated than others.
Maybe for some classes but no for others. People coming into a yoga class late is EXTREMELY disruptive, as many of them start with a meditative/breathing session and the later person has to put down their mats, get props, etc. Its not a matter of being sensitive - it really does disrupt the entire class. Maybe its different for a more active class that doesn't use equipment.
try reading past the first two sentences before disagreeing... ::shakes head::0 -
Yes, I know, another gym etiquette thread, but this time I'm having a debate with some of my less fitness-inclined friends (not that there is anything wrong with this, of course, but just proving a point).
I posted on my Facebook today about two women in my Zumba class who I think have been particularly rude at points. One of the women openly admitted that she walked out of another instructor's class. Mind you, it wasn't because she had an injury or some sort of emergency or whatever. She just left because she didn't like the teacher. I argue this is not right because even though everyone has a favorite instructor, if you show up and someone different is there, he/she deserves your respect and a fair chance. You shouldn't just leave just because the person isn't your favorite. The substitute still worked hard to put a class together, and if you're going to attend, you owe it to them to stay unless you have a good reason not to. I think just walking out is ignorant.
One of my friends said that it is OK that the woman did this because she may have seen that this instructor's style isn't for her, but I don't agree. I went to spinning class once and decided during part of the class that I didn't care for it, but I didn't just get off my bike and leave. I stayed and gave the instructor my time and attention, and after class, he said a lot of people don't even get through it the first time so I was proud of myself!
The second lady constantly comes late to class and leaves early. She won't even stick around for cool down, and she too has walked out on the instructor I referenced above. Sometimes I don't even notice her slip in; other times, it is definitely noticeable, especially when she walks through the crowd (and during a routine!) to get closer to the front of the room rather than staying near the back. But again, my friend and another friend's mom think this is OK because she may have no other choice but to come late and leave early because it is"better than nothing." Again, I argue that it's ignorant to whoever is teaching and she either needs to find a time where she can attend class for whole thing or not bother coming.
So...what do you guys think?
My take is it really doesn't affect you, unless the person is actually being disruptive. If they're just quietly arriving late or leaving early, for all you know, they may have made arrangements with the instructor in advance. If someone isn't enjoying the class, they have every right to leave partway through. Again, I don't really see how it affects you.0 -
I take Zumba and I have 2 instructors that I love. That being said, when a sub comes in and I'm not feeling the routine or not burning enough calories I will leave. I am at the gym to burn calories first, so I will choose whatever contributes to that.
I'm friends with one of my instructors and she does not take it personally, and even says "great job" when people tuck out early.
Personally, I kinda like it when people leave before me...I think I've won some sort of endurance challenge.0 -
As a trainer who runs group fitness classes, I think it depends.
If enough people walk out of your class (never happened to me personally) then maybe you should look at what you're doing as an instructor.
If it's a rare occurrence, then maybe it's not for them, they tweaked something that gave them pain, they have to go pee, etc.
Knowing what it takes to put an interesting, challenging, and safe class together, I would stay even if I didn't care for it; I just wouldn't go back.0 -
It's the instructor who should care if this is rude or disruptive to the class. If it is, she should address it.
Otherwise, don't worry about other people. Worry about yourself and your workout. If these women aren't disrupting the class, this is between them and the instructor.0 -
Not rude at all. If the person is not getting a good enough workout, they should be able to leave. They are not bound to complete a group workout.
That said, there is a polite of leaving early. Don't roll your eyes or huff and puff or exclaim "This class sucks!" That happened recently. Just leave without being a drama queen.
Personally, I do give substitutes a break because it's always hard to instruct a group of people who are used to a certain type of workout. I am less forgiving when I try out a class led by the regular instructor (just new to me). If I don't think I'm getting much of a workout, I'll leave.
Leaving before the cool down is definitely not rude, IMO. Perhaps they have their own way of cooling down or they're not finished their workout and will cool down later. Or they have to leave. I view the cool down portion as separate from the rest of the group workout. Some people view the warm-up as separate too so may arrive "late" but that may be difficult because each instructor "warms up" their classes quite differently.0 -
What is with people thinking they make all the rules for the gym?? Think your friend is being rude? Oh well, don't do what she does. But really, why all the negative judging? Maybe she just isn't as committed as you are. I'm sure trainers are used to it.
Live and let live.
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I think you take something way too seriously and at the end of the day it has nothing to do with you. What business is if of yours? What you do with your personal time is up to you, if you want to stay the full time then stay. I have come late to a class and left early because I had a small window of time to fit in a workout and for me 20 mins is better than nothing sometimes. I don't deserved to be judged for by people who don't mind their own business, nor do I owe anyone an explanation. If you want the most out of the class, go for it. Sometimes its not always feasible and unless there is a specific policy against it (and I have never, ever seen one and I've had memberships at 7 different gyms now), you have no idea if the instructor feels disrespected or not. You make a lot of assumptions about people you don't know. Worry about your own business.0
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I have never left a class, except when I have been sick. Funny story, there was a sub instructor, who played show tunes during the entire class, most of the class ended up leaving. I like musicals, but show tunes during Zumba, I just wasn't feeling it....Don't get me wrong, I jazz hands, but yeah....:drinker:0
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So. We have established that this sort of behavior bothers you tremendously. Why is that? I can see why the woman bustling in late & maneuvering her way up the front might be annoying, but that's it. How does it hurt you if someone leaves or comes late?
It's an exercise class, not marriage counseling. I would totes be that woman who left because she didn't like the instructor - if I didn't like them for whatever reason it would annoy me & I wouldn't concentrate on the workout or give it 100% so I would be wasting my time & theirs, so why would I stay? Because a paid professional might get hurt feelings, or a random gym goer might give me the death stare? Because that random gym goer gave some instructor a chance this one time at band camp & it turned out alright for them, so everyone better do the same?
You don't really know their whole stories, so you are judging it up by saying how ignorant they are for some pretty small things that, in the grand scheme of things, don't matter at all.
Also, why the massive need to be right? What are you going to do anyway, copy & paste the arguments that support yours & say "Here! Some forum people agree with me! Take that!"?
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^ is right. Getting worked up about what other people do is a waste of life. (I still do it sometimes myself, tbh, but it's usually about people I know.)0
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Ok coming in late OCCASIONALLY and with GOOD reason is excusable in my opinion, but if its CONSTANT its just rude! and the same person leaving early... its like why even show up at all? I had people do this in law school... show up 20 minutes late to a 50 minute class and leave 10 minutes early... I bet you really got a lot from that class! They just need to find another class that works better with their schedule if that's possible or stay home with Wii Zumba or something.
On the other question walking out during a Zumba class I see only ok if the instructor is terrible! I've been to places where the instructor doesn't teach the steps at all and everyone winds up just flailing about like a group of mimes (no offense intended towards mimes just not my bag). That just seems like a waste of time to me and I'd rather hop on the treadmill and actually get some exercise!0 -
Ok coming in late OCCASIONALLY and with GOOD reason is excusable in my opinion, but if its CONSTANT its just rude! and the same person leaving early... its like why even show up at all? I had people do this in law school... show up 20 minutes late to a 50 minute class and leave 10 minutes early... I bet you really got a lot from that class! They just need to find another class that works better with their schedule if that's possible or stay home with Wii Zumba or something.
On the other question walking out during a Zumba class I see only ok if the instructor is terrible! I've been to places where the instructor doesn't teach the steps at all and everyone winds up just flailing about like a group of mimes (no offense intended towards mimes just not my bag). That just seems like a waste of time to me and I'd rather hop on the treadmill and actually get some exercise!
Nice to see some agreement here. Can we be friends?
As far as the comments about dedication/endurance, those do amuse me, even if I disagreed with the rest of the post. (I'm kind of surprised how many people think showing up late/leaving early and walking out is OK, but I digress.) I can at least comfort myself with the fact that I have gotten serious about exercise and am starting to drop weight and get more fit (slow process with trial and error, but it's coming!) and the woman who shows up late/leaves early looks exactly the same as she did when I first started coming several months ago. 0 -
The early/late thing happens frequently for the 2 hour midday block because people are often squeezing in a lunch time workout and may need part of that hour to change and get back to work. After work, people tend to have more time but some may have daycare time restrictions.
I have left class a few times but not for those reasons. One time I got really sick. Another time an emergency truly did pop up. Once I was late arriving because I went and got flowers for an instructor who was leaving. I've also had to pause to use the restroom. No biggie.0 -
I work full time and also have two kiddos. I only have a certain amount time in the day to exercise. So yes if Im not feeling it or not burning enough calories I will excuse myself. I don't think Im rude about it. I just figure its my time and money and I want to get the best use of it. And i won't hang around in a class just so i don't hurt someone's feelings. They have to know thats part of the job and like a previous poster said if its happening alot they should consider changing things up.0
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Instructors are there for you, not vice versa.... And if people leaving or showing up late bothers you, you're way too sensitive. Unless it halts the class, then I'd be annoyed if it was a consistent thing.
Turn this into something positive. Be happy that you're more dedicated than others.
Agree with this.0 -
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I always try to stick it out. It's only an hour, I can usually make it and get something out if it. If I know I have to leave early I let the instructor know. Many of them have said they appreciated me telling them.0
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I think it's how it's done not that it is being done. Kind of like the old "It's not what you say, it's how you say it". I'm a Zumba instructor. I teach in a dance studio so it's a bit different than the gym atmosphere, my opinions may differ a tad if I taught at a gym.
I have had people come in late. I've never had someone barge into the middle of the room, most slip into the back and then make their way to a different space in between songs. I have also had someone leave early, the same woman every Thursday. I know after speaking to her that she has to go pick up her son. With anything I just communicate with my students. Understanding why they are arriving late or leaving early is important to me because I care. I care about my class and I care about them. I always tell them when they are late to go slow and warm up first, since they may have missed our warm up, and the same with cool down and stretching. You may not do it but I'll tell ya to make sure you stretch when you get home. Safety first. This also includes the safety of people on the floor. I would speak to someone who is disruptive. If you feel this person is disruptive, then politely mention it to your instructor and let her/him handle it. Also, because I work in a dance studio I prescribe to the studio etiquette of knocking before entering, waiting till a song is over before entering and letting your instructor know when you are leaving. Dance studio rules are a bit stricter than that but I am dealing with grown adults rather than children so I lighten up on that stuff. lol. If someone was ever rude to me or to another one of my students, or to any of the other teachers or students at the studio they would not be invited back. If I worked in a gym I think I'd be more forgiving of time crunches and people doing more of a workout than just my class. As long as it is done with class 0 -
I agree that leaving because of a different instructor is rude!
As for the coming in late/leaving early - I think if it's one or the other and only by a few minutes it okay (so long as you don't disrupt the class), but if you're doing it every time - then what is the point in going?
But often, especially classes in the morning that I go to, people leave a little early - usually because they have to get to work. That's understandable IMO, especially when the class goes late!
EDIT to add that also, in classes I go to consistently, the instructor will usually let you know if they're going to be gone - so that right there gives you the option ahead of time to not go if you don't want to try out a different instructor. I personally think it can be good to mix up the routine a little and see how someone else teaches it! You may learn something new! And like someone else said, if you don't like it, it's only an hour of your life!0 -
My opinion is that it doesn't really matter if someone leaves class right at the beginning if they don't like the instructor. I agree with your friend that maybe their style doesn't "mesh" with the instructor and it is a waste of their time/a valuable spot in that class.
I do agree with you, however, that it is rude to walk into a class late and leave early, especially both during the same class. I do think this is disruptive to others and oftentimes disrupts the "flow" of spin class. I don't so much buy the its-this-or-nothing mentality, as there are plenty of other exercises one can do if short on time that don't inconvenience 30 other people.
My 2 cents.0 -
If you are not enjoying the class or feel you are getting enough out of it, why waste your time? I have left a class before and didn't think twice about it. I was not loud or disrespectful when I left. On the other hand I do not agree with coming late to a class. You know ahead of time the class schedules and you should plan accordingly. Most people take time and show up extra early to get a particular spot and have enough space around them. It's just rude to show up late and try to squeeze in.0
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I agree that it's rude to walk out because you don't like the instructor. Exercise is exercise, an hour won't kill you.
I think it's okay to consistently show up late and leave early if it's a time restriction thing, BUT only if you stay near the back. Disrupting/distracting the class to be near the front is selfish and rude.0
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