Eat 100% clean for 7 days!

I'm not sure why I thought this website would be a supportive forum.... Guess it was that whole common interest thing that led me astray.

I don't understand why people have to poop all over someone else's idea. If you don't want to be a part of her project, don't do it....no need to be smug and negative toward others.

Interesting thing to learn on my first day here....

it's nothing personal directed at the OP.

it's the mindset and the incorrect logic behind the mindset that is the issue.

nobody really cares if you decide you only want to eat carrots and kale that you grow in your backyard. they do care that incorrect information and assumptions are posted and left without rebuttal. if somebody posted a diet challenge that forbade eating fruit and vegetables as "bad", they would also be rebutting that diet as unnecessary.

also, this is a public forum. if this was posted in a private group, you'd not have seen any responses dismissing it.

in the end, all i care about is accurate and complete information. if i see something that i know is wrong or unnecessary and i'm not so annoyed at the forum derp that day, i'll usually say something. information is power. if you're armed with all of the information you need to make a choice, then most of us don't begrudge you that choice no matter what it is.

I agree, well stated..But some do not know how to come across with their approach, so it sounds as if they are attacking the person who posted.

Well stated!

I'm not sure why I thought this website would be a supportive forum.... Guess it was that whole common interest thing that led me astray.

I don't understand why people have to poop all over someone else's idea. If you don't want to be a part of her project, don't do it....no need to be smug and negative toward others.

Interesting thing to learn on my first day here....

I'm interested in success and the most painless and effective way to get there. For that, I'll stick with science. Feel free to find people to support you in whatever fad diet nonsense you wish to partake in though.

So what's your method? I'm assuming you're just talking counting calories/macros, but to me, that's the difficult way if I just eat whatever to get there. I can fit a donut or ice cream into my calories and macros every day, but if I eat that, it triggers me to crave junk food constantly. (my gluten issues aside on the donut). Then it's like torture to stay within my calorie counts/macros. On the other hand, I find it rare to go much over 1600 calories a day of meat/fish/veggies, even if I'm eating all I want.

So to me - eating clean is the easy way to stay withing the "science" parameters for weight loss.

I eat a well balanced diet, much of which would fall under at least a percentage of clean eaters' definition of "clean." I do, however, eat grains and dairy and do not bother with organic produce, and each of these would fall outside of that umbrella for a percentage of clean eaters. My point is that I see nothing to be gained in the semantics that surround clean eating arguments. Instead, let's go right to the heart of what we see from studies on nutrition and exercise and then we can each decide for ourselves how we handle the grey areas. To do otherwise, I think, is intellectually dishonest and clearly confuses the uninformed.

Purely as an example, if your position is that we should eat organic then that is an opinion that is not backed up by the science. Does that mean that there is absolutely nothing to be gained by eating organic? Possibly yes and possibly no. We don't know. We each can handle that ourselves but I think we all should be intellectually honest about that decision rather than insisting that clean means organic and not eating clean means a lack of weight loss, cancer, etc.

Edit: Yes. I absolutely do count my macros, plus fiber and I track calcium and Vitamin A and C.

I don't eat all organic either - when I do it's as much for ethical reasons as anything - I try to eat locally produced food as well and obviously that doesn't have much to do with nutrition either. I also eat free range eggs when I can, (or eggs from neighbors with free range chickens) because I feel bad for mistreated chickens as much as for any hypothetical health benefits for myself. And generally I can afford to do this, so I do. I agree though that those things aren't necessarily related to clean eating. I'd recommend that people cut out fast food, packaged mixes, things with sugar added for no reason (like spaghetti sauce), foods with unnaturally long shelf lives, etc. To me, that's more important to "clean eating" than organic is. This goes back to the trouble with defining something that's so vague.

And I guess I at least partly see what you're saying about confusing the uninformed, but by the same logic, if you're just advising people to count calories/follow macros/etc - and they have an undiagnosed food sensitivity like I did, it's going to be really difficult for them. I'm pretty sure that's the main reason why so many people DO have success with Paleo, etc. I know if I eat dairy, I wind up congested and can't sleep well. Back when I was eating dairy and gluten, I just assumed that was a fact of life. I assumed my knee pain was a fact of life after 5 knee surgeries. My doctors never had any solutions for me other than drugs to mask the symptoms (which just created other side effects just as bad as the issue we were treating). But changing my diet got rid of these issues.

So I guess I also think that people are uninformed about the fact that food sensitivities can be a big issue and don't always show up as gastrointestinal issues. And depending on the definition of eating "clean", you might be able to figure out if you have food sensitivities by eliminating things from your diet for a while. Personally I'd recommend more like 3 weeks or so and you'd need to eliminate specific things, but maybe a week gets someone motivated to try more. I do know a lot of people who want to take baby steps in cleaning up their diet and maybe this works as a step for someone.

If this was advertised as some sort of miracle weight loss program or "eat organic and feel 100% healthy!", then yes. It would be misleading BS. But I don't see what there is to be outraged about with a challange that isn't promising anything in terms of results. If people are looking for specific results, they've got to do more research than just jumping in to a diet challenge for a week.

I eat a well balanced diet, much of which would fall under at least a percentage of clean eaters' definition of "clean." I do, however, eat grains and dairy and do not bother with organic produce, and each of these would fall outside of that umbrella for a percentage of clean eaters. My point is that I see nothing to be gained in the semantics that surround clean eating arguments. Instead, let's go right to the heart of what we see from studies on nutrition and exercise and then we can each decide for ourselves how we handle the grey areas. To do otherwise, I think, is intellectually dishonest and clearly confuses the uninformed.

Purely as an example, if your position is that we should eat organic then that is an opinion that is not backed up by the science. Does that mean that there is absolutely nothing to be gained by eating organic? Possibly yes and possibly no. We don't know. We each can handle that ourselves but I think we all should be intellectually honest about that decision rather than insisting that clean means organic and not eating clean means a lack of weight loss, cancer, etc.

Edit: Yes. I absolutely do count my macros, plus fiber and I track calcium and Vitamin A and C.

I don't eat all organic either - when I do it's as much for ethical reasons as anything - I try to eat locally produced food as well and obviously that doesn't have much to do with nutrition either. I also eat free range eggs when I can, (or eggs from neighbors with free range chickens) because I feel bad for mistreated chickens as much as for any hypothetical health benefits for myself. And generally I can afford to do this, so I do. I agree though that those things aren't necessarily related to clean eating. I'd recommend that people cut out fast food, packaged mixes, things with sugar added for no reason (like spaghetti sauce), foods with unnaturally long shelf lives, etc. To me, that's more important to "clean eating" than organic is. This goes back to the trouble with defining something that's so vague.

And I guess I at least partly see what you're saying about confusing the uninformed, but by the same logic, if you're just advising people to count calories/follow macros/etc - and they have an undiagnosed food sensitivity like I did, it's going to be really difficult for them. I'm pretty sure that's the main reason why so many people DO have success with Paleo, etc. I know if I eat dairy, I wind up congested and can't sleep well. Back when I was eating dairy and gluten, I just assumed that was a fact of life. I assumed my knee pain was a fact of life after 5 knee surgeries. My doctors never had any solutions for me other than drugs to mask the symptoms (which just created other side effects just as bad as the issue we were treating). But changing my diet got rid of these issues.

So I guess I also think that people are uninformed about the fact that food sensitivities can be a big issue and don't always show up as gastrointestinal issues. And depending on the definition of eating "clean", you might be able to figure out if you have food sensitivities by eliminating things from your diet for a while. Personally I'd recommend more like 3 weeks or so and you'd need to eliminate specific things, but maybe a week gets someone motivated to try more. I do know a lot of people who want to take baby steps in cleaning up their diet and maybe this works as a step for someone.

If this was advertised as some sort of miracle weight loss program or "eat organic and feel 100% healthy!", then yes. It would be misleading BS. But I don't see what there is to be outraged about with a challange that isn't promising anything in terms of results. If people are looking for specific results, they've got to do more research than just jumping in to a diet challenge for a week.

So you mix in your personal ethical beliefs with your personal and undiagnosed food sensitivities and call that clean eating? I hope you're starting to see why many of us start to simply laugh at this all bottled up as a path towards a healthy lifestyle that should be followed by all.

If someone has a medical issue then they should see a MD. Anything less is so much pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo. Self diagnosed "food sensitivities" with no gastrointestinal problems and that don't show up on allergy tests? Knee pain from gluten and milk? Righto.

I'll continue to read scientific articles and listen to experts who do the same and are not guided by agendas disguised as health advice.

Can I eat natural chemicals? Like aflatoxins, ochratoxin A, ergot alkaloids, fumonisins, patulin, trichothecenes (such as deoxynivalenol which is also known as vomitoxin) and zearalenone?

Exactly how does one eat 100% clean??

Can you provide a sample meal plan?