I Just Paid For A BMR Test + Consultation and...

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  • bellaa_x0
    bellaa_x0 Posts: 1,062 Member
    You should've breathed into the tube for at least 15 minutes. 5 minutes is too short.

    agreed. i have had my RMR tested twice over the past 6 months and both tests were AT LEAST 15 minutes each.
  • ForumLurker
    ForumLurker Posts: 36
    Keep in mind that a lot of what goes around on this website was started a long time ago and passed on as gospel truth. When in doubt, past threads are brought up, and the word spreads until there are a lot of people saying that same thing and it tricks us in to thinking it's true. Here are some things, you need to consider.

    1) You CAN gain some muscle if you're overweight and eating at a slight calorie deficit IF YOU EXERCISE. If you don't, your body gets rid of the tissue that burns the most calories (to conserve). Unfortunately, that's muscle. If you're exercising, your body sees the muscle as necessary and gets rid of a higher percentage of fat vs muscle. I can go in to the physiology of it, but you can gain SOME muscle IF you exercise AND have excess fat. It's obviously easier to gain muscle mass if you're not at a deficit and the amount you gain while at a deficit will be limited. If you feel like you're muscle mass is less than it should be, it might be worth it to work on that and concentrate on "cutting" later down the road.

    2) Your body certainly DOES treat calories differently depending on what part of your day/night (circadian) cycle you are in. It has to do with which hormones are present during different parts of your cycle. This differs depending on the person, but hormone levels that cause fat storage, hunger, etc. vary throughout the day.

    3) Calories of even the same macros are treated (slightly) differently by the body. A carb can come in long chains, medium chains and short chains, and your body processes them (and releases hormones differently) depending on which you're consuming. All digestible carbs end up as blood sugar, but there are a lot of hormones and pathways that get them there, and they differ from each other. Differences are also found in proteins (animal vs plant) and fats.

    4) That machine you were breathing in measures metabolism byproducts (CO2, etc.) and is pretty accurate if you're at complete rest while breathing in to it.

    I'm sure someone will flame me for this post. It's like speaking against someone's religion, but the truth is the truth.
    Aww man, I did it all wrong... that damn portion control, flexible dieting and eating whatever the F I want (in moderation) really screwed me up. :(

    I guess I need to gain the 125 lbs back and do it the right way next time.
  • Briko3
    Briko3 Posts: 266 Member
    Keep in mind that a lot of what goes around on this website was started a long time ago and passed on as gospel truth. When in doubt, past threads are brought up, and the word spreads until there are a lot of people saying that same thing and it tricks us in to thinking it's true. Here are some things, you need to consider.

    1) You CAN gain some muscle if you're overweight and eating at a slight calorie deficit IF YOU EXERCISE. If you don't, your body gets rid of the tissue that burns the most calories (to conserve). Unfortunately, that's muscle. If you're exercising, your body sees the muscle as necessary and gets rid of a higher percentage of fat vs muscle. I can go in to the physiology of it, but you can gain SOME muscle IF you exercise AND have excess fat. It's obviously easier to gain muscle mass if you're not at a deficit and the amount you gain while at a deficit will be limited. If you feel like you're muscle mass is less than it should be, it might be worth it to work on that and concentrate on "cutting" later down the road.

    2) Your body certainly DOES treat calories differently depending on what part of your day/night (circadian) cycle you are in. It has to do with which hormones are present during different parts of your cycle. This differs depending on the person, but hormone levels that cause fat storage, hunger, etc. vary throughout the day.

    3) Calories of even the same macros are treated (slightly) differently by the body. A carb can come in long chains, medium chains and short chains, and your body processes them (and releases hormones differently) depending on which you're consuming. All digestible carbs end up as blood sugar, but there are a lot of hormones and pathways that get them there, and they differ from each other. Differences are also found in proteins (animal vs plant) and fats.

    4) That machine you were breathing in measures metabolism byproducts (CO2, etc.) and is pretty accurate if you're at complete rest while breathing in to it.

    I'm sure someone will flame me for this post. It's like speaking against someone's religion, but the truth is the truth.
    Aww man, I did it all wrong... that damn portion control, flexible dieting and eating whatever the F I want (in moderation) really screwed me up. :(

    I guess I need to gain the 125 lbs back and do it the right way next time.

    I think you quoted the wrong post. I wasn't laying out a diet or exercise plan.
  • brynnsmom
    brynnsmom Posts: 945 Member
    If you're maintaining, then you must be eating the same amount of calories that you're burning. It doesn't really matter what anyone tells you.
  • NatureChik1985
    NatureChik1985 Posts: 79
    Keep in mind that a lot of what goes around on this website was started a long time ago and passed on as gospel truth. When in doubt, past threads are brought up, and the word spreads until there are a lot of people saying that same thing and it tricks us in to thinking it's true. Here are some things, you need to consider.

    1) You CAN gain some muscle if you're overweight and eating at a slight calorie deficit IF YOU EXERCISE. If you don't, your body gets rid of the tissue that burns the most calories (to conserve). Unfortunately, that's muscle. If you're exercising, your body sees the muscle as necessary and gets rid of a higher percentage of fat vs muscle. I can go in to the physiology of it, but you can gain SOME muscle IF you exercise AND have excess fat. It's obviously easier to gain muscle mass if you're not at a deficit and the amount you gain while at a deficit will be limited. If you feel like you're muscle mass is less than it should be, it might be worth it to work on that and concentrate on "cutting" later down the road.

    2) Your body certainly DOES treat calories differently depending on what part of your day/night (circadian) cycle you are in. It has to do with which hormones are present during different parts of your cycle. This differs depending on the person, but hormone levels that cause fat storage, hunger, etc. vary throughout the day.

    3) Calories of even the same macros are treated (slightly) differently by the body. A carb can come in long chains, medium chains and short chains, and your body processes them (and releases hormones differently) depending on which you're consuming. All digestible carbs end up as blood sugar, but there are a lot of hormones and pathways that get them there, and they differ from each other. Differences are also found in proteins (animal vs plant) and fats.

    4) That machine you were breathing in measures metabolism byproducts (CO2, etc.) and is pretty accurate if you're at complete rest while breathing in to it.

    I'm sure someone will flame me for this post. It's like speaking against someone's religion, but the truth is the truth.
    Aww man, I did it all wrong... that damn portion control, flexible dieting and eating whatever the F I want (in moderation) really screwed me up. :(

    I guess I need to gain the 125 lbs back and do it the right way next time.

    Well dang, I guess I am in the same boat! I will just have to live with knowing that I have done it all wrong :(
  • Briko3
    Briko3 Posts: 266 Member
    Keep in mind that a lot of what goes around on this website was started a long time ago and passed on as gospel truth. When in doubt, past threads are brought up, and the word spreads until there are a lot of people saying that same thing and it tricks us in to thinking it's true. Here are some things, you need to consider.

    1) You CAN gain some muscle if you're overweight and eating at a slight calorie deficit IF YOU EXERCISE. If you don't, your body gets rid of the tissue that burns the most calories (to conserve). Unfortunately, that's muscle. If you're exercising, your body sees the muscle as necessary and gets rid of a higher percentage of fat vs muscle. I can go in to the physiology of it, but you can gain SOME muscle IF you exercise AND have excess fat. It's obviously easier to gain muscle mass if you're not at a deficit and the amount you gain while at a deficit will be limited. If you feel like you're muscle mass is less than it should be, it might be worth it to work on that and concentrate on "cutting" later down the road.

    2) Your body certainly DOES treat calories differently depending on what part of your day/night (circadian) cycle you are in. It has to do with which hormones are present during different parts of your cycle. This differs depending on the person, but hormone levels that cause fat storage, hunger, etc. vary throughout the day.

    3) Calories of even the same macros are treated (slightly) differently by the body. A carb can come in long chains, medium chains and short chains, and your body processes them (and releases hormones differently) depending on which you're consuming. All digestible carbs end up as blood sugar, but there are a lot of hormones and pathways that get them there, and they differ from each other. Differences are also found in proteins (animal vs plant) and fats.

    4) That machine you were breathing in measures metabolism byproducts (CO2, etc.) and is pretty accurate if you're at complete rest while breathing in to it.

    I'm sure someone will flame me for this post. It's like speaking against someone's religion, but the truth is the truth.
    Aww man, I did it all wrong... that damn portion control, flexible dieting and eating whatever the F I want (in moderation) really screwed me up. :(

    I guess I need to gain the 125 lbs back and do it the right way next time.

    Well dang, I guess I am in the same boat! I will just have to live with knowing that I have done it all wrong :(

    Again, sorry you took it that way, but I wasn't outlining a weight loss philosophy or diet here.
  • NonnyMary
    NonnyMary Posts: 982 Member
    how did you lose 125 pounds?
  • dakotababy
    dakotababy Posts: 2,407 Member
    Obviously you are not a professional - or you would be losing weight. Obviously what you heard on MFP is not working, because most people on the internet are wanna-be nutritionists/professionals.

    If what you are doing is not working - what do you have to lose by trying something new?
  • Kristopher25
    Kristopher25 Posts: 13
    If you're maintaining, then you must be eating the same amount of calories that you're burning. It doesn't really matter what anyone tells you.



    Obviously you are not a professional - or you would be losing weight. Obviously what you heard on MFP is not working, because most people on the internet are wanna-be nutritionists/professionals.

    If what you are doing is not working - what do you have to lose by trying something new?

    My RMR tested at 1900 calories. I workout an average of 250-300 calories. That puts me at 2,200 calories a day assuming I sleep 23 hours a day and work out for one. It doesn't account for my daily activity (probably another 700 - 1,000 a day based on online calculators). I've been at 2,100 calories or lower for 5 months.

    My maintainance can't be 2,100 calories based off of what my RMR is. If I were to try something new this way I would end up netting way way below my RMR.

    I agree that there is a lot of bad info out there. What I was looking for are the people on here who lost a lot of weight, hit walls and plateau's etc... to offer what they did/learned to keep everything going. The two posters above who lost 125lbs are a perfect example. I'm sure people on here, myself included, would love to hear what they did to keep losing weight and get over the hump when the calorie deficit by itself stopped working for a while.
  • Mia_RagazzaTosta
    Mia_RagazzaTosta Posts: 4,885 Member
    I agree that there is a lot of misinformation on here but all of the advice I took was from people who were successful on MFP and seconded by other successful members. Most seem to share these ideas:

    1. Eat back your exercise calories
    2. Calories in should be above BMR below TDEE (in my case TDEE being 2,950 - 3,550 depending on calculator)
    3. Deficit = weightloss no matter what you eat
    4. Never go below your BMR

    Right now there are 230+ responses to the question of whether or not "eating dirty" stops weight loss and most seem to back up the no side. I'm just not sold that eating "clean" is the answer. I'm sure it works great for the people that do it and I'm not knocking it at all but a calorie deficit itself should be the main factor.

    Based on points 1 and 2 above, it sounds like you're mixing two different diet approaches. If you're following a TDEE plan, you DO NOT eat back your exercise calories. If you are following the MFP plan, you DO eat your exercise calories back.

    Correct, but generally MFP + exercise calories is the same as TDEE-20/15/10%. The gross number will be relatively close.

    ETA: a lot of people don't do the MFP way correctly (i.e. eat the calories back).
  • maybeazure
    maybeazure Posts: 301 Member
    I agree that there is a lot of misinformation on here but all of the advice I took was from people who were successful on MFP and seconded by other successful members. Most seem to share these ideas:

    1. Eat back your exercise calories
    2. Calories in should be above BMR below TDEE (in my case TDEE being 2,950 - 3,550 depending on calculator)
    3. Deficit = weightloss no matter what you eat
    4. Never go below your BMR

    Right now there are 230+ responses to the question of whether or not "eating dirty" stops weight loss and most seem to back up the no side. I'm just not sold that eating "clean" is the answer. I'm sure it works great for the people that do it and I'm not knocking it at all but a calorie deficit itself should be the main factor.


    If what you are doing isn't working for you, regardless of what has worked for other people, I think you should try something else. Really calorie "counting" is actually calorie "estimating" since all of the tables, formulas, etc., are based on averages. It's possible that you don't burn as much as you think you do, or you eat more than you think you do. I think you should try eating fewer calories to get more of a deficit, or you should learn to be happy with where you are now.

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