Think I've been doing MFP all wrong...oops! Anyone else?
vanessarieck
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I was getting a little frustrated because the weight wasn't coming off as fast as I would like. I feel really dumb admitting this but I think it's because I'm eating back most of the calories I burn. I'm only allowed 1200 calories a day to lose I think 2 lbs a week. Well that hasn't been happening. It just dawned on me the other day that in order to actually lose weight more aggressively I need to leave some calories "on the table" at the end of the day. Have you been in the same boat? Am I right or wrong? Looking for some thoughts on your experiences with this.
Thanks!
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I eat most of em back and still lose slowly. I need to because I get so hungry, I would binge if I didn't. I think slow loss is better for me because I've been able to maintain my losses at each stage. MFP is set up so you should eat exercise calories back. Just make sure you are weighing everything you eat and that your exercise calories are correct.0
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The problem is usually under estimating food intake and over estimating calorie burn. That's the reason to leave some exercise calories on the table. Most of us can't be so accurate that we can eat them all back.0
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The MFP plan is that you eat back your exercise calories. But, since it's impossible to be completely accurate on number of calories burned through exercise, you might want to only eat a percentage of them back if you are not losing when eating them all.0
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You are already leaving "calories on the table" because its set at a deficeit. I think as long as you arnt over estimating the calories burnt from exercise you are fine to eat them back. Just relax and lose the weight at a steady pace!0
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The problem is usually under estimating food intake and over estimating calorie burn. That's the reason to leave some exercise calories on the table. Most of us can't be so accurate that we can eat them all back.0
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No you were doing MFP right. If you weren't losing weight you either weren't waiting long enough to see results, overestimating calories burned through exercise or underestimating what you were eating.
Aggressive dieting usually ends in failure. Moderate deficits work to get the weight of and make it easier to keep the weigh off0 -
Plus, with 20 lbs to lose, 2lbs / week is a little aggressive. Change the goals. Eat more food.0
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You're not eating back too many, you should eat all you burn to stay on target... BUT all estimates for exercise are just that-- estimates, they do not know your vo2max or heart rate typically... and without both numbers, real calorie expenditure is hard to track. Also if you're using TDEE you should not be eating back ANY unless they are "far above and beyond the call of duty" for that energy level, that's double dipping.
I usually aim at 50% unless I feel absolutely starved. If you have less than 30 lbs to lose, 2lb/week might also just be too aggressive of a goal.0 -
You are already leaving "calories on the table" because its set at a deficeit. I think as long as you arnt over estimating the calories burnt from exercise you are fine to eat them back. Just relax and lose the weight at a steady pace!
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Plus, with 20 lbs to lose, 2lbs / week is a little aggressive. Change the goals. Eat more food.
This too.0 -
Re calculate your #'s read these. You should only be losing about 1lb a week with only 20 to go.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/931670-bmr-and-tdee-explained-for-those-needing-a-guide
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/10589-for-those-confused-or-questioning-eating-your-exercise-calo0 -
I wear a pulse rate monitor that tracks heart rate and calories burned. The MFP estimated burned calories for exercise is WAY higher than what I'm actually burning. Once I realized that, it made a huge difference.0
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I was getting a little frustrated because the weight wasn't coming off as fast as I would like. I feel really dumb admitting this but I think it's because I'm eating back most of the calories I burn. I'm only allowed 1200 calories a day to lose I think 2 lbs a week. Well that hasn't been happening. It just dawned on me the other day that in order to actually lose weight more aggressively I need to leave some calories "on the table" at the end of the day. Have you been in the same boat? Am I right or wrong? Looking for some thoughts on your experiences with this.
Thanks!
It's not that you have been doing MFP wrong, it is the result of your unreasonable expectations. I hope you will take the advice that has already been posted.0 -
No you were doing MFP right. If you weren't losing weight you either weren't waiting long enough to see results, overestimating calories burned through exercise or underestimating what you were eating.
Aggressive dieting usually ends in failure. Moderate deficits work to get the weight of and make it easier to keep the weigh off
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I too realized that by eating all that I burned thru exercise, I was getting no where, in spite of religiously logging food/exercise and being conservative with the estimates. I'm now limiting my cal intake to my BMR(1400) plus half of exercise. This should result in 1/2 pound/week loss.
I think the problem is that my actual BMR is less than the calculated value, because my lifestyle(retired)is very sedendary indeed, except for when I am exercising(cycling and light gym workout daily)
There do seem to be some confusing querks in the 'goal' section of MFP. One is "Calories Burned from normal daily activity," seemingly stuck at 1740 for me. This is a confusing and worthless #. How does MFP know that before I've entered my daily activity? I might decide to stay in bed all day, in which case it would be around 1400.
One does have to apply some common sense and adjust the fixed/calculated numbers when appropriate.0 -
I was getting a little frustrated because the weight wasn't coming off as fast as I would like. I feel really dumb admitting this but I think it's because I'm eating back most of the calories I burn. I'm only allowed 1200 calories a day to lose I think 2 lbs a week. Well that hasn't been happening. It just dawned on me the other day that in order to actually lose weight more aggressively I need to leave some calories "on the table" at the end of the day. Have you been in the same boat? Am I right or wrong? Looking for some thoughts on your experiences with this.
Thanks!
I would say to lose more weight yes, to lose more fat and retain muscle, no.
With the amount you have to lose your goal should be to lose a maximum of 1lb/week, and to eat back the cals you burned (assuming they are calculated accurately). the faster you try and lose (larger deficit) the larger % of your loss will come from lean muscle, instead of the fat you are looking at losing.0 -
Set your goal to lose 1 pound a week. Eat back *some* of your exercise calories.0
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Honestly you are going to get 2 different responses. Some people eat them back and some people don't....both sets of people get results. I say figure out what works best for you and do that. Sometimes I eat some of them back and sometimes not at all, just depends on how hungry I am.0
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There do seem to be some confusing querks in the 'goal' section of MFP. One is "Calories Burned from normal daily activity," seemingly stuck at 1740 for me. This is a confusing and worthless #. How does MFP know that before I've entered my daily activity? I might decide to stay in bed all day, in which case it would be around 1400.
One does have to apply some common sense and adjust the fixed/calculated numbers when appropriate.
Because it is an average of what you can reasonably expect to burn on a daily basis doing regular things like walking to the car, sitting, brushing your teeth, prepping food and you job (you picked the average daily activity level) plus your BMR.
You are correct, some days you'll burn less. Then there will be other days you burn more. MFP doesn't "know", it is an average, an estimate. Even on those below average days you'll burn more than your BMR.0 -
gosh there's so much misinformation on this thread among the right information that it's hard for someone who hasn't been successful to pick out whats right and wrong lol
ok first of all, you haven't stated what your goals are. if you dont care about retaining muscle because you're really just want to lose weight, then it doesn't matter how many lbs you lose. only people who want to look aesthetic should really care about losing a .lb a week.
dont listen to anyone to tell you to eat your calories back - ever. whats the point? of course you wont be losing any weight! take a glass of water, remove 2oz of water (calories burned) and MFP tells you, you can eat those 2oz back?
you're hungry because well, you're on a deficit! lol
anyway - figure out what your TDEE is and go with that - not MFP numbers as they are not entirely correct - and almost never correct when it comes to calories burned.0 -
dont listen to anyone to tell you to eat your calories back - ever. whats the point? of course you wont be losing any weight! take a glass of water, remove 2oz of water (calories burned) and MFP tells you, you can eat those 2oz back?
The point is, the calories the MFP sets for you DOES NOT INCLUDE EXERCISE. It is estimating your amount of needed calories based just on ordinary daily activities not including exercise. Then when you choose 'I want to lose 2 pounds per week' that will deduct 1,000 calories from that number, which is way too much of a deficit for the OP (unless you have more than 75 pounds to lose).
Talk about misinformation!!0 -
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The problem is people overestimate their calorie burn and underestimate the calories in the food they eat. So if you run and think you burn 300 and eat back 300, but you really only burned 250 and ate back 350, that's going to be a problem. Pair that with the fact that most prepackaged foods estimate servings to look lower calorie. (ie, "about 2 servings" is really 2.3 servings)0
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No idea what your stats are, but it is probably pretty likely that 1200 calories is not enough to meet your body's needs. Deep calorie deficits causes stress for our body and the reaction is a cortisol release which will cause your body to burn calories at a higher efficiency, and therefore, require less energy.
You need to either increase your intake, decrease your demand, or both. Metabolically, you are putting too much of a strain on your body, and it is working against your efforts.0 -
gosh there's so much misinformation on this thread among the right information that it's hard for someone who hasn't been successful to pick out whats right and wrong lol
ok first of all, you haven't stated what your goals are. if you dont care about retaining muscle because you're really just want to lose weight, then it doesn't matter how many lbs you lose. only people who want to look aesthetic should really care about losing a .lb a week.
dont listen to anyone to tell you to eat your calories back - ever. whats the point? of course you wont be losing any weight! take a glass of water, remove 2oz of water (calories burned) and MFP tells you, you can eat those 2oz back?
you're hungry because well, you're on a deficit! lol
anyway - figure out what your TDEE is and go with that - not MFP numbers as they are not entirely correct - and almost never correct when it comes to calories burned.
Speaking of misinformation.
From Scott, MFP staff member
"April 15, 2013 2:32 pm
Hello,
The net calorie system cannot be disabled and we caution our users to not use work arounds. If you are accurately recording food entries and caloric expenditure when exercising then the deficit built into your goal will allow you to lose up to two pounds a week which is what is considered a safe rate of weight loss. Additionally users are more likely to build better habits and not stray from their plan if the program is not overly severe(such as having an additional thousand calorie a day deficit in some instances).
We set your nutritional target in Net Calories which we define as:
Calories Consumed (Food) - Calories Burned (Exercise) = Net Calories
What that means is that if you exercise, you will be able to eat more for that day. For example, if your Net Calorie goal is 2000 calories, one way to meet that goal is to eat 2,500 calories of food, but then burn 500 calories through exercise.
Think of your Net Calories like a daily budget of calories to spend. You spend them by eating, and you earn more calories to eat by exercising.
Through repetition you will get an idea for how many calories you will probably burn at the gym and most likely start planning your day and meals around those extra calories that your workout will garner.
This system promotes slow and steady and is very successful when used.
Regards,
Scott
MyFitnessPal Staff"
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/959693-disable-calorie-adjustments-from-exercise
I have also found that TDEE and MFP are pretty much the same. I don't find MFP off.0 -
Some good info here.
2 lbs a week is near impossible when your losing only 20 lbs. I only have mine set to 0.5lbs per week when I'm actively trying to lose.0 -
I was getting a little frustrated because the weight wasn't coming off as fast as I would like. I feel really dumb admitting this but I think it's because I'm eating back most of the calories I burn. I'm only allowed 1200 calories a day to lose I think 2 lbs a week. Well that hasn't been happening. It just dawned on me the other day that in order to actually lose weight more aggressively I need to leave some calories "on the table" at the end of the day. Have you been in the same boat? Am I right or wrong? Looking for some thoughts on your experiences with this.
Thanks!
You're doing it wrong, but not in the way you think you are.
You don't have enough weight to lose to aim for two pounds a week. That setting is for those who have 75 or more pounds to lose.
You should aim for one pound a week at absolute most, probably a half pound a week would be better.0 -
Good Morning: It's all physics-yet it also depends on a few things-
Age-I'm 52 and pre-menopausal.
Genetics-Quick or Slow metabolism.
Determination: Enough on that one!
A calorie is not a Calorie, is not a calorie.
400 calories of fat or sugar-compared to 400 calories of clean nutrition.It stores differently in the body.
I've been a non smoker now for 4 months and I joined MFP to not put on any more weight while getting off the butts. But after 60 days of diligent logging, staying under my calories, and exercising 6 days/wk-I keep losing and gaining the same 10 lbs.
I'm down-then I'm up-it's very frustrating.
I've cleaned up my diet quite abit-but genetics isn't working with me??
So keep doing the do's and be patient-it will eventually start coming off because it's physics!
My goal is to be 40lbs. lighter, tighter and clear lungs by next summer-so I keep at it because for me it's slow progress.
Best Regards!0 -
I was getting a little frustrated because the weight wasn't coming off as fast as I would like. I feel really dumb admitting this but I think it's because I'm eating back most of the calories I burn. I'm only allowed 1200 calories a day to lose I think 2 lbs a week. Well that hasn't been happening. It just dawned on me the other day that in order to actually lose weight more aggressively I need to leave some calories "on the table" at the end of the day. Have you been in the same boat? Am I right or wrong? Looking for some thoughts on your experiences with this.
Thanks!
You're doing it wrong, but not in the way you think you are.
You don't have enough weight to lose to aim for two pounds a week. That setting is for those who have 75 or more pounds to lose.
You should aim for one pound a week at absolute most, probably a half pound a week would be better.
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No you were doing MFP right. If you weren't losing weight you either weren't waiting long enough to see results, overestimating calories burned through exercise or underestimating what you were eating.
Aggressive dieting usually ends in failure. Moderate deficits work to get the weight of and make it easier to keep the weigh off
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