I have a nutrition theory. What do you think?

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  • FitForeverAgain
    FitForeverAgain Posts: 330 Member
    There is no one size fits all on weight loss.

    The human body is a machine and there are so many factors involved in keeping that machine well oiled as well as properly fueled, it is difficult to say.

    The whole "eat less, move more" doesn't work for some people... especially those with digestive diseases, like Celiac Disease. Don't get me wrong... it works for the majority of people. But if someone with Celiac is trying to lose weight (because there are a lot of overweight celiacs who struggle to take it off) and they are already gluten free, low glycemic, exercise... but have a pantothenic acid deficiency (which is normal for celiacs who sometimes cannot absorb b vitamins properly) they WILL NOT lose weight.

    Pantothenic Acid (vitamin b5) is the vitamin precursor to the fat burning enzyme lipase, as well as the precursor to coenzyme A, which feeds the liver and gives the liver the proper capability to burn off toxins. If the machine that is the human body does not have the fuel, nor the proper catalyzing enzyme, that body will not burn fat, even at a 500 calorie a day diet. It will burn muscle instead.

    Those with insulin resistance could benefit from pantothenic acid as well.

    I think your theory is valid, but may be lacking in depth of "why" they are apple/pear/hourglass in the first place, which generally leads to a nutritional problem, like you mentioned.

    And if this is the case, these folks should be seeing a specialist for their nutritional plan, not seeking advice on a fitness website. I would qualify all posts with that. If you are the outlier, then get specialized advice. If you're in the norm, eat less, workout more.
  • oawalden
    oawalden Posts: 6
    Or. You could eat less and move more.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member

    I know it seems to be "common sense" that weight loss is as simple as maintaining a caloric deficit, but obviously it is not that simple or we wouldn't have an epidemic of overweight people. Blaming it on willpower and character strength is an easy moral judgement, and discards the vastly complex systems in our body that are involved in regulating body weight.

    Yes, it is true that you can starve yourself into thinness and spend half your life at the gym, but really who wants that and who can live a life where they are hungry all the time? If you are going hungry you will not last on any diet for a lifetime, and yo-yo-ing is worse for you than just being fat, so some studies say.

    The Black Swan principle states that it is very hard to prove all swans are white, but as soon as you find one black swan you have disproven the theory. It is easy to state that low calories are the cure for all overweight people, but the black swans are already out there. You can eat a higher calorie diet and lose more weight faster than a lower calorie diet. I myself am living proof of that..

    The issue is not in the calorie model, the issue is finding a way to get the individual to maintain an energy deficit continuously/consistently. In tightly controlled settings we know that energy deficits cause weight loss and energy surpluses cause weight gain over time. The issue is maintaining the energy deficit.
  • IronSmasher
    IronSmasher Posts: 3,908 Member
    You don't appear to know what a theory is.


    I'd like to hear more from the poster that thinks human beings are not subject to the laws of thermodynamics. How can we have world hunger or an energy crisis if this is so?
  • MGwasp
    MGwasp Posts: 16
    A theory is an idea that has some observational basis but has not been proven or disproven. I love the debate and some of the points have really made me think. Perhaps I had those results because I am nearing 50 and my hormone levels are changing. Perhaps, although my thyroid levels are considered normal with medication, my hypothyroidism is partly the cause. I did see the same results though as a teenager when I had normal thyroid function. Maybe my body is just very efficiently trying to defend the weight to prevent starvation and the lack of a food group slows my metabolism. So many variables could be in play. I know though, that I have found a recipe for success so I will continue to believe that it is right for me. With as many varied people out there, I am certain of only one thing..... One size does not fir all.
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
    There is no one size fits all on weight loss.

    The human body is a machine and there are so many factors involved in keeping that machine well oiled as well as properly fueled, it is difficult to say.

    The whole "eat less, move more" doesn't work for some people... especially those with digestive diseases, like Celiac Disease. Don't get me wrong... it works for the majority of people. But if someone with Celiac is trying to lose weight (because there are a lot of overweight celiacs who struggle to take it off) and they are already gluten free, low glycemic, exercise... but have a pantothenic acid deficiency (which is normal for celiacs who sometimes cannot absorb b vitamins properly) they WILL NOT lose weight.

    Pantothenic Acid (vitamin b5) is the vitamin precursor to the fat burning enzyme lipase, as well as the precursor to coenzyme A, which feeds the liver and gives the liver the proper capability to burn off toxins. If the machine that is the human body does not have the fuel, nor the proper catalyzing enzyme, that body will not burn fat, even at a 500 calorie a day diet. It will burn muscle instead.

    Those with insulin resistance could benefit from pantothenic acid as well.

    I think your theory is valid, but may be lacking in depth of "why" they are apple/pear/hourglass in the first place, which generally leads to a nutritional problem, like you mentioned.

    Sorry, I didn't realize I had to to specify what seemed obvious.

    Eat less, move more is once size fits all, barring some kind of way medical issues and even then when those issues are corrected/controlled it still comes down to burning more than you take in.
  • Lyadeia
    Lyadeia Posts: 4,603 Member
    Don't overcomplicate something simple.

    Eat well. Get moving. Be consistent. Be patient. See progress.

    This.

    I used to be pear shape. Used to be...as in, I lost weight eating a sensible diet with moderate deficit without cutting out ANYTHING or demonizing foods, added exercise to include cardio and weight training, had patience, and didn't change a thing (just keep going until you get to the destination). Now I am not a pear shape anymore. 35-27-36 measurements with size 5 US clothing. Still losing fat doing nothing special, just hard work.

    Don't overthink things. Just do the work.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member

    There is no one size fits all on weight loss.

    The human body is a machine and there are so many factors involved in keeping that machine well oiled as well as properly fueled, it is difficult to say.

    The whole "eat less, move more" doesn't work for some people... especially those with digestive diseases, like Celiac Disease. Don't get me wrong... it works for the majority of people. But if someone with Celiac is trying to lose weight (because there are a lot of overweight celiacs who struggle to take it off) and they are already gluten free, low glycemic, exercise... but have a pantothenic acid deficiency (which is normal for celiacs who sometimes cannot absorb b vitamins properly) they WILL NOT lose weight.

    Pantothenic Acid (vitamin b5) is the vitamin precursor to the fat burning enzyme lipase, as well as the precursor to coenzyme A, which feeds the liver and gives the liver the proper capability to burn off toxins. If the machine that is the human body does not have the fuel, nor the proper catalyzing enzyme, that body will not burn fat, even at a 500 calorie a day diet. It will burn muscle instead.

    Those with insulin resistance could benefit from pantothenic acid as well.

    I think your theory is valid, but may be lacking in depth of "why" they are apple/pear/hourglass in the first place, which generally leads to a nutritional problem, like you mentioned.

    Are you claiming that if you took an obese person with pantothenic acid deficiency and gave them only water for weeks on end, they would oxidize no fat, and only lose lean tissue exclusively? Or do you agree with this scenario?
  • Lupercalia
    Lupercalia Posts: 1,857 Member
    I think you should just find a way of eating that is healthy and sustainable for you and exercise a bit.

    The "theories" can distract one from the tasks at hand, often resulting in what is known as "paralysis by analysis".

    Seems best to keep things simple, as many others have suggested.
  • chubaway
    chubaway Posts: 1,645 Member
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  • chubaway
    chubaway Posts: 1,645 Member
    I think you should just find a way of eating that is healthy and sustainable for you and exercise a bit.

    The "theories" can distract one from the tasks at hand, often resulting in what is known as "paralysis by analysis".

    Seems best to keep things simple, as many others have suggested.

    Imagination is a dangerous thing!

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