What with all the Dairy Hate?
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I think we all need to make our own decisions, but we need to have the whole story too. I always bought the dairy makes you skinny. But now I always look at who did the study and look at opposing evidence. Then I can comfortably make a decision for myself. And I'm always willing to stay open to new research and possibly change my mind. And no matter who tells me something is good or bad, I do all the research myself. I don't have anything against non-vegans or vegetarians, I just hope everybody is really, actually thinking for themselves.
The funny thing about research and 'science' is that next month, a new 'research' may refute a claim. Next thing you know, dairy will be all the rage again, etc, etc. etc.
I agree, think for yourself and what works for you. Don't buy into all this hype. What's the current fad now? The 'raw' diet?? Was browsing through a book about it the other day.
For some reason, I can't drink straight cold milk because it upsets my stomach so I have soymilk with my cereal. But I love yogurt, cheese, and steamed milk in a latte!
And I'm sure the air we breath is just as bad as the synthetic hormones and chemicals put in our foods...0 -
I would like to point out that beans especially have a very low absorption rate compared to milk. While I understand people may have allergies cow isn't the only animal that produces milk. You mentioned goat and sheep.
It has been proven time and again that animal products whether it be for protein, calcium, omega-3, B-vitamins etc are better absorbed by the human body than plant products.
I'm only giving examples of what the OP asked, "What with all the dairy hate?" I didn't say anything about goat or sheep either. I didn't say anything about beans either. And yes there are studies that show that animal products are better absorbed, but there is also evidence to the contrary. Matter of fact, my endocrinologist who is a meat and cheese lover, admits that vegans tend to live longer and have less disease throughout their lifetime. He was a researcher and professor at U of M for 15 years. He directly relates my enormous turn around to going vegan. Does that mean you should go vegan? Not unless you want to. There are benefits, huge benefits when done properly. But its not for everyone.
My point is just what I said. And like some others have said. We need to look at the evidence, both sides, and decide what is best for us. Just before you adhere to a study that you want to agree with, find out who paid for and published the study. Alot of those meat, poultry, dairy and pork studies were sponsered by the industry who profits from you eating the product. I have health reasons for eating the way I do, I don't expect anyone to follow suit just because its better for me. But my experience has really opened my eyes to so called "research".
I totally agree with you. Cow's milk is produced by cows that were pregnant and need to feed their calves, same thing with women after they have babies. They both produce milk to feed their young. That's why they produce milk in the first place. I don't see women selling their breast milk to make profits off of other people. Why should cows or other animals have to be treated badly to do that? Also, animal calcium DEPLETES humans' bodies from calcium. The studies that have been done that say you need calcium from milk are from the DAIRY INDUSTRIES so you can't trust their word. Seriously, what retailer will tell you their product is bad and not buy it? None.
BUT I do have to admit that I'm a cheese addict. I love the stuff and always have some in my fridge. I try to stay away from it though because I know it's unhealthy just like meat.
The Dairy industry may say you need your calcium, but they aren't shoving milk down your throat. Dairy is not the problem. It's people.
Consumers need to think for themselves.0 -
THREADJACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm going to weigh in on the breast milk side of things.
Is cow's milk harder on the human system than human milk? YES. The only reason I limit dairy in my diet is because I'm trying to limit my sodium. Otherwise I'd drink milk and eat cheese all day every day. Maybe I am a cheese addict...
As the dairy queen (I easily produce an extra 20 ounces of milk A DAY), I stock my freezer for my son and donate the rest to the milk bank. I recently found out that not only is human milk prescribed for premature infants, there are DOCTORS prescribing human milk for cancer patients. Apparently, sometimes this is the only nutrition that a really sick cancer patient can stomach.
Personally the thought of drinking human milk grosses me out. But you cannot tell me that what dairy offers is not a crucial part of a human diet.
And for the previous poster that posted the REALLY long post-while going through the reading, it seemed to me that somebody (not the poster) spent a LOT of time rounding up all the conspiracy theories and negative points of the dairy subject, then posting that, without gathering ALL the data and posting both sides of the issue.
You wanna tell me bacteria is bad in our milk? What about all the plants that have been recalled lately due to e. coli? And not all bacteria is bad. Look at yeast.
OH NO MY BREAD HAS YEAST I'M GONNA DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Sorry, I couldn't resist-I thought that was funny. And I'm not even going to go into all the bacteria that our bodies contain that are absolutely crucial.
For a good read-look at the dual organism theories surrounding DNA and RNA.
Having said all this, I believe it's a personal choice. Do what works for you, reevaluate, change your views if necessary, then repeat.0 -
Holy Cow!!!
Pick an activity or a food or a location and I can go on-line and find a study that explains why you should avoid it. Or why you can't live without it.
And if you skew the facts just right Everything from Tobacco, to Alcohol, to Milk, to Fast Food to Seafood, to Girl Scout Cookies is the number one cause of:
Pick One: Obesity, Cancer, Arthritis, apathy to:
Pick one: Teenagers, Women, Democrats, Catholics, NRA members.
I feel better now. Enjoy your weekend.
lol...so very true. I find it funny that people will eat Doritos, easter cream eggs, cool whip and oreos, along with other empty calorie foods, without a debate..yet a glass of milk, which, is a million times healthier then any of that crap I just listed and people get on a rampage!
At the Philly food festival there was actually a debate about that. Local schools were talking about banning whole milk because 'it contains the same amount of fat as 2 strips of bacon' or some other nonsense. Yet they were perfectly happy installing soda machines.
Yeah, but funny enough they'll keep serving the kiddies reduced fat CHOCOLATE milk because ZOMG! It's low fat! (But nevermind it has 20 grams of sugar per serving...)
Gah....
I don't know about schools elsewhere, but I am in Kansas, USA, and our schools are not allowed to sell regular pop in our machines. My school sells diet pop along with water, juice, sports drinks and milk. I'm not a big fan of diet pop, but they are taking steps in the right direction. Slow, small steps, but they are still headed the right way.
As for the breastmilk part of this thread, you CAN buy human milk. Google "purchasing breastmilk" and you'll come up with some articles all about how it can be done (think wet nurses of the past).
Just my thoughts! Have a good weekend!0 -
HOLY COWS MILK!!!!
This is one heck of a thread. I have a few thoughts I would like to share.
I have been struggling with nutrition for a while. But in the past few months I have "re-discovered" an awesome tool. That tool is the old style food pyramid. The food pyramid allows for all the "taboo" foods: bread, dairy, and yes, even red meat. I have found that eating a balanced diet is much more effective than any other previous weight loss efforts I have made. So, I actually find all the dairy hate, grain hate, meat hate, sugar hate, etc... ranging between mildly humous to outright frustrating.
The whole bacteria thing is interesting. You see all this stuff hyping the beneficial properties of pro-biotics. Do we know what pro-biotics do? They facilitate the development of bacteria. We all know that yogurt is really full of bacteria, right? My grandfather used to eat what was referred to as "blood sandwiches," raw hamburger between 2 pieces of bread. Why didn't he worry about foodborne pathogens? Because his body was accustomed to the pathogens. Same reason the native Americans died off in such large numbers when the Europeans arrived: no immunity. I spoke with an expert on foodborne illnesses about our weakening of our immune systems through the continual sterilization of our food supply. She agreed that we ARE weakening our systems. She pointed to polio as an example. At one point it had about the same mortality as chicken pox does today. But as we purified our water supply, our immunity to polio weakened. Now, polio is life threatening and crippling.
Why is it people are developing these incredible food allergies in recent decades? Has the food changed, or is it us? Why is it that we run around drinking milk, eating bread, and shellfish for 10000 years, and now, these allergies are growing out of control? I suggest that something has changed, and the allergies are a result of confounded factors, not just the foods themselves. But I don't have the brainpower to know if my reasoning is correct.0 -
Dairy is not good for you for several reasons. I recently became an ovo-vegetarian and the weight has almost literally melted off. I consume mostly plant based foods with no meat or dairy, but the occasional egg. The problem with dairy is that it is an inadequate source of nutrients, generally cows are fed antibiotics and added hormones that, with large consumption are shown to have a direct correlation with several health problems including cancers and type two diabetes. Granted low-fat dairy is a better alternative but humans really should get most of their nutrients from fruits and vegetables, I eat 3-4 servings of fruit a day, am loosing weight (45 lbs since April), and do not have high blood sugar like I did before as a pre-diabetic. I am a huge advocate for DR. Joel Fuhrman's diet, He has several books worth checking into ("Eat to Live"). I am happier and healthier and will never eat the same again. You will loose weight and feel better period.0
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I often wonder about the argument between "natural dairy" and low fat versions..Many avenus of weightloss say go low fat.. but then when you read things from people who talk about eating clean and natural , and they say go for raw milk and kefir..I find it all a bit confusing to sift through..0
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I found a lot of information about dairy products. None of this is my wording, but I believe most of it to be true as I've done other "investigation" over the past year and a half on why dairy isn't good. With that being said, I LOVE cheese! I think I'm obsessed. lol My dad used to call me his little rat because I ate cheese all the time and I still do. Is it healthy for me? No.
Here are some other links as well proving dairy isn't all that healthy.
http://nutritiondiva.quickanddirtytips.com/is-milk-bad.aspx
http://www.vivavegie.org/vvi/vva/vvi23/milkpcrm.html
AGAIN, below isn't my wording.
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Yes... milk is Mother Nature's "perfect food" ...for a calf... until it is weaned.
Everything you know about cow's milk and dairy is probably part of a Dairy industry MYTH.
Cow's milk is an unhealthy fluid from diseased animals that contains a wide range of dangerous and disease-causing substances that have a cumulative negative effect on all who consume it.
MILK'S BASIC CONTENTS
*ALL* cow's milk (regular and 'organic') has 59 active hormones, scores of allergens, fat and cholesterol.
Most cow's milk has measurable quantities of herbicides, pesticides, dioxins (up to 200 times the safe levels), up to 52 powerful antibiotics (perhaps 53, with LS-50), blood, pus, feces, bacteria and viruses. (Cow's milk can have traces of anything the cow ate... including such things as radioactive fallout from nuke testing ... (the 50's strontium-90 problem).
LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH IN AMERICA
http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadc… (1998)
Rank Total Description
1 724,859 Heart Disease (think fats/cholesterol: meat/dairy)
2 541,532 Malignant Neoplasms (cancer: think toxins/milk/dairy)
2a 250,000 Medical system (drugs/etc. think ignorance/incompetence)
3 158,448 Cerebro-vascular (think meat milk and dairy)
4 112,584 Bronchitis Emphysema Asthma (think toxins/milk/dairy)
5 97,835 Unintentional Injuries and Adverse Effects
6 91,871 Pneumonia & Influenza (think weak immune systems and
mucus)
7 64,751 Diabetes (think milk/dairy)
7a 40,000+ Highway slaughter (men, women and children)
8 30,575 Suicide (think behavioral problems)
9 26,182 Nephritis (Bright's disease: inflammation of the
kidneys)
10 25,192 Liver Disease (think alcohol and other toxins)
(2a and 7a were added for completeness)
(note: Number 13 on the CDC list is -18,272 Homicide & Legal Intervention-. It is curious that the CDC would readily list law enforcement and homicides... and not the 250,000 deaths caused by the medical system!)
CANCER FUEL
Of those 59 hormones one is a powerful GROWTH hormone called Insulin- like Growth Factor ONE (IGF-1). By a freak of nature it is identical in cows and humans. Consider this hormone to be a "fuel cell" for any cancer... (the medical world says IGF-1 is a key factor in the rapid growth and proliferation of breast, prostate and colon cancers, and we suspect that most likely it will be found to promote ALL cancers).
IGF-1 is a normal part of ALL milk... the newborn is SUPPOSED to grow quickly! What makes the 50% of obese American consumers think they need MORE growth? Consumers don't think anything about it because they do not have a clue to the problem... nor do most of our doctors.
(See http://www.notmilk.com/igf1time.txt for a time line)
QUANTITY
Each bite of hard cheese has TEN TIMES whatever was in that sip of milk... because it takes ten pounds of milk to make one pound of cheese. Each bite of ice cream has 12 times ... and every swipe of butter 21 times whatever is contained in the fat molecules in a sip of milk.
MONSANTO AND rbGH (Posilac)
Monsanto Chemical Co., maker of fine poisons such as DDT, agent orange, Roundup and more... spent around half a billion dollars inventing a shot to inject into cows... to force a cow to produce MORE milk (for an already glutted taxpayer subsidized market).
Unfortunately, they created *FIVE* errors in their Frankenstein Posilac (rbGH) shot that direly affected all test animals... but that important report (Richard, Odaglia & Deslex, 1989) has been hidden from everyone under Clinton's Trade Secrets act. The Canadians read enough of this report (before it was stolen) to reject rbGH for their country.
Monsanto's Posilac creates additional IGF-1 in milk: up to 80% more.
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) insists that IGF-1 is destroyed in the stomach. If that were true, the FDA has proven that breast feeding cannot work. Common sense says their "finding" is ridiculous because this growth factor DOES make the baby calf grow (rapidly, as mother natured intended). Visit the Dairy Education Board at http://www.notmilk.com/deb/100399.html to review a DAIRY study that confirms what the FDA has lied about this for years.
IGF-1 INCREASES
This study involved two groups. One group consuming 12 ounces of milk a day and the other consuming the USDA recommended allowance of 24 ounces (three cups). This report notes that the participants consuming 12 ounces more milk per day... HAD A 10% RISE IN IGF-1 IN THEIR BLOOD SERUM! Now, consider that PER DAY, from ALL sources, the typical milk/dairy consumer ingests approximately 39% of daily diet from dairy... and that 10% increase becomes the "tip of the iceberg". We have NO idea of the non-dairy versus full-dairy difference but considering cancer rates... it has to be significant.
FAT
Whole milk 49% of the calories are from fat.
"2%" milk 35% of the calories are from fat.
Cheddar cheese 74% of the calories are from fat.
Butter 100% of the calories are from fat.
Most folks suspect that butter is all fat. Most folks have no concept of the just how much fat is in the rest of milk and dairy. Perhaps the 54% of Americans who are obese need to comprehend that milk, ice cream, cheeses, yogurts, and all the OTHER products that use milk derivatives (casein, whey, lactose, colostrum) are most likely a significant cause for their weight and health problem.
CALCIUM
Calcium? Where do the COWS get calcium for their big bones? Yes... from plants! The calcium they consume from plants has a large amount of magnesium... necessary for the body to absorb and USE the calcium.
The calcium in cow's milk is basically useless because it has insufficient magnesium content (those nations with the highest amount of milk/dairy consumption also have the highest rates of osteoporosis. Proof? How about a controlled study of 78,000 nurses over a period of 12 years?
Read more about it at:
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/030799.html Article on the 78,000 nurse study
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/092098.html CALCIUM AND BONE DISEASE
http://www.notmilk.com/badbones.html WHO GETS BONE DISEASE?
http://www.notmilk.com/bonehead.txt CRIPPLING BONEHEADS
http://www.notmilk.com/calcium/index.htm… Consolidated info
Cows milk has three times the calcium as does human breast milk. No matter, neither are very usable because in order to be absorbed and used their MUST be an equal quantity of MAGNESIUM (as exists in the greens that cows eat to get all the calcium they need for their big bones). Milk has only enough magnesium to absorb around 11% (33mg per cup) of calcium.
Per the USDA 8 ounces (one cup) of cows milk contains:
Calcium, Ca mg 291.336
Magnesium, Mg mg 32.794
The USDA recommends 1200mg of calcium per day. The USDA recommended three cups of milk a day only have 900mg of calcium. Some argue that only 1/3 of the magnesium is necessary. Mother nature seems to suggest it should be one to one. If the ratio for proper absorption were 1/3 magnesium to one calcium then no more than 300mg of that 900mg of calcium is usable. If, in fact, it is a one to one ratio... only 98.38mg of calcium is usable.
It is not a matter of how much calcium one ingests... but how much one does not lose.
PROTEIN
Milk can be thought of as "liquid meat" because of its high protein content which, in concert with other proteins, may actually LEACH calcium from the body. Countries that consume high protein diets (meat, milk and dairy) have the highest rates of osteoporosis.
THE 'WHOLESOME' PROTEIN MYTH
87% of milk is water. That makes it VERY expensive water.
Broken down into its basic groups... WHOLE MILK is:
WATER FAT CASEIN OTHER PROTEIN
87% 3.25% 4% 1% 4.75
(note: that is 3.25% "milkfat" which includes the 87% water.)
80% of the protein in milk is casein. Casein is a powerful binder... a
polymer used to make plastics... and a glue that is better used to make
sturdy furniture or hold beer bottle labels in place. It is in
thousands of processed foods as a binder... as "something" caseinate.
Casein is a powerful allergen... a histamine that creates lots of
mucus. The only medicine in Olympic athlete Flo-Jo's body was Benedryl,
a power antihistamine she took to combat her last meal... pizza.
For the whole Flo-Jo story:
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/092198.html,
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/111598.html and
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/112398.html for the whole story.
BACTERIA
Cow's milk is allowed to have feces in it. This is a major source for bacteria. Milk is typically pasteurized more than once before it gets to your table... each time for only 15 seconds at 162 degrees Fahrenheit.
To sanitize water one is told to boil it (212 degrees F) for several minutes. That is a tremendous disparity, isn't it!
Keep in mind that at room temperature the number of bacteria in milk DOUBLE around every 20 minutes. No wonder milk turns rotten very quickly.
PUS
ONE cubic centimeter (cc) of commercial cow's milk is allowed to have up to 750,000 somatic cells (common name is "PUS") and 20,000 live bacteria... before it is kept off the market.
That amounts to a whopping 20 million live squiggly bacteria and up to 750 MILLION pus cells per liter (bit more than a quart).
1 cup = 236.5882cc 177,441,150 pus cells ~ 4,731,600 bacteria
24 oz (3 glasses) = 532,323,450 pus cells ~ 14,220,000 bacteria
(the "recommended" daily intake)
The EU and the Canadians allow for a less "tasty" 400,000,000 pus cells per liter.
Typically these levels are lower... but they COULD reach these levels and still get to YOUR table.
CHOLESTEROL
The cholesterol content of those three glasses of milk is equal to what one would get from 53 slices of bacon. Do you know of any doctor who recommends that much bacon per day?
KOSHER
Is cow's milk and dairy "Kosher"? Consider this:
"D-3 always is derived from an animal. The sunlight reaction that converts 7-dehydrocholesterol to vitamin D-3 is a 'pure' chemical reaction that occurs in your skin in certain cells."
"The provitamin known as 7-dehydrocholesterol is extracted and isolated from the skins of mammals and purified." (Marian Herbert of the Vitamin D Workshop U of C)
Vitamin D-3 can come from four different sources:
Pig skin, sheep skin, raw fish liver, and pig brains. Most of the time, Vitamin D-3 is extracted from pig skin and sold to dairy processors.
Short answer to "is milk kosher" - probably not.
OTHER 'STUFF'
Fat and cholesterol. Lots of it. Per the dairy influenced USDA "food pyramid" all milk, dairy and meats should represent no more than 8% of the diet. Statistically, by volume of sales in a nation of 281 million Americans, it works out to almost 40% of the diet for MILK AND DAIRY.. without the meat.
The milk of each of the over 4,700 mammals on earth is formulated specifically for that species. There are special lactoferrins and immunoglobulins (cow specific immunizing stuff) that in humans serve as allergens.
LEUKEMIA
According to Hoards Dairyman (Volume 147, number 4)... 89% of America's dairy herds have the leukemia virus. (more at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/me…
DIABETES
The protein lactalbumin, has been identified as a key factor in diabetes (and a major reason for NOT giving cows milk to infants).
CROHN'S DISEASE
Mycobacterium paratuberculosis causes a bovine disease called "Johne's."
Cows diagnosed with Johne's Disease have diarrhea, and heavy fecal shedding of bacteria. This bacteria becomes cultured in milk, and is not destroyed by pasteurization. Occasionally, the milk-borne bacteria will begin to grow in the human host, and the results are irritable bowel syndrome and Crohn's Disease.
MAD COW DISEASE
There may also be prions (pronounced PREons) in the milk and meat. This is crystalline substance that acts like a virus... with an "incubation" period of from 5 to 30 years. The end result is MAD COW DISEASE!
HOMOGENIZATION
Large fat molecules cannot get through the intestinal wall into the bloodstream. The cream no longer rises... because homogenization breaks up those large molecules into small ones that DO get into the bloodstream! This becomes an expressway for any fat-borne toxins (lead, dioxin's, etc.) into your (otherwise) most protected organs.
CUMULATIVE EFFECTS
How does this impact humans who consume cow's milk and dairy? Obesity (over 50% of Americans and rising), heart disease, cancer, allergies, digestive problems, diabetes, asthma, desensitization to antibiotics, behavioral problems, and the constant ingestion of dioxin's, herbicides, pesticides (and anything else the cow eats that is not good for any critter), that winds up getting stored in HUMAN fat... is not healthy by any measure.
Those who resist believing the truth should understand that MOST of the world's population CANNOT tolerate the lactose in cow's milk. Up to 95% of the black population, around 53% of the Hispanics, etc.) So much for cow's milk being "natures perfect food" for humans! Mother nature knows better.
Common sense question: Where was this massive "milk is a must" before refrigeration, pasteurization and mass transportation? Back when cows gave only 1-4 pounds a day it was quickly made into BUTTER and cheese! Now that those same cows have been tweaked and shot-up with Posilac to produce up to 55 or more pounds of milk per day... almost all year long... it is suddenly (after many thousands of years) a daily "staple". NOT!
POLLUTION
There are around 9.2 million dairy cows in the United states. Each dairy cow ingests around 330 pounds of feed (perhaps 50 pounds) and water (around 280 pounds or 33 gallons) per day. Allowing for the best dairy production of 55 pounds of milk per day (over ten times what mother nature designed the cow to produce) that means that what remains becomes "slurry".
That means around 275 pound of urine and feces per day... per cow, for a daily total of 2.53 BILLION pounds of pollution. Per year... that amounts to around 923 billion pounds of UNTREATED pollution entering our streams, rivers, lakes... and drinking water systems.
Cows are hot-blooded mammals. Like all other mammals they pass gas. Somewhat like elephants their compartmented digestive system is rather inefficient... which leads to the creation of MORE gas. During a Discovery Channel documentary on elephants a parting quip was that the average adult elephant passes enough methane gas per day to run a car about 20 miles.
Cows are not much better. The English New Scientist (page 5 -31.8.96) mentions that cattle produce around 48 kilograms (105 pounds) of methane each per year and that more bubbles out of the animals' manure. Dairy cows eat more because they produce milk. With 9.2 million dairy cows times a minimum of 100 pounds of methane gas per year... that amounts almost a billion pounds of methane gas released into the atmosphere each year. With around 100 million beef cattle... pigs, sheep, and other "factory farmed" animals it should not be difficult to fathom the extent of this problem.
This means that "Beef is a greenhouse-intensive food" and a major cause of global warming (with dairy a significant part of the problem).
Another major point is:
"Milk is a very strong pollutant: it is about 400 times more polluting than untreated sewage. To put it another way, 1,000 gallons of milk has the same polluting potential as the untreated sewage from a town of 7,000 people." Morlais Owen. Chief Scientist for Welsh Water. North Wales Weekly News. 24.3.88.
"It's not natural for humans to drink cow's milk. Humans milk is for humans. Cow's milk is for calves. You have no more need of cow's milk than you do rats milk, horses milk or elephant's milk. Cow's milk is a high fat fluid exquisitely designed to turn a 65 lb baby calf into a 400 lb cow. That's what cow's milk is for!" --Dr Michael Klaper MD
"I no longer recommend dairy products after the age of 2 years. Other calcium sources offer many advantages that dairy products do not have." --Dr. Benjamin Spock
Source(s):
http://www.rense.com/general26/truth.htm
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I read this as What with all the Hairy Date....
and I thought...well you know....hygiene goes a LONG LONG way....
and on topic now that I know what it is...i love dairy....
dairy....milk, ice cream, cheese, you name it..
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I was shocked at the amount of sugar in skim milk. 13g in 1 cup?! That's almost juice! I was going to switch to almond milk until I saw that the sweetened vanilla kind has almost the same thing and way less protein as you said. I heard the unsweetened variety tastes awful. I'll stick with my organic fat free/skim milk. :happy:0
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Tony Horton eats a mostly vegan diet, he eats a little chicken and fish.
He is right that the body will thrive when you cut out the mucus... I mean milk and dairy.
Just look at him... he is 50+ going on 30.
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It's not optimal for everyone.
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Personally, I gave up dairy as an experiment and my lifelong struggle with acne ended, which was enough for me to stick with a dairy free diet for life. Also, has improved my asthma and allergies.
I am carefully about only drinking and eating non-gmo organic tofu, cheese alternatives and soy milk though.
If you struggle with acne though, and have tried everything else like topical creams, accutane, spirolactone, lasers, you name it, I highly encourage you to give a dairy free lifestyle a try.0 -
My food philosophy is this. "Everything is permissible, not everything is beneficial". So I choose what I eat based on a risk/benefit analysis. And I don't really care what everyone else thinks.0
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Dairy is about 20-25% of my diet, maybe more. And I don't get that nasty non-fat stuff. I drink whole milk, have a container of whipping cream in my fridge, several cheeses, yogurts, etc. OMG! Now I want ice cream. It's in my freezer waiting for me.0
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CROHN'S DISEASE
Mycobacterium paratuberculosis causes a bovine disease called "Johne's."
Cows diagnosed with Johne's Disease have diarrhea, and heavy fecal shedding of bacteria. This bacteria becomes cultured in milk, and is not destroyed by pasteurization. Occasionally, the milk-borne bacteria will begin to grow in the human host, and the results are irritable bowel syndrome and Crohn's Disease.
^^^ LIES!
Crohn's is genetic and an auto-immune disorder. It is not caused by bacterial infection.0 -
Regarding lactose intolerance/"humans aren't meant to eat dairy":Most people of European ancestry (90-95%) have the genetic mutations that cause lactase persistence, due to cattle domestication and therefore regular dairy consumption in northern Europe several thousand years ago. Approximately 35% of all humans worldwide also have lactase persistence and can digest dairy without problems. Most of the people who do experience lactase nonpersistence can still eat varying amounts of dairy with no symptoms, especially fermented products like cheese and yogurt. Of course, if you do experience symptoms, you should certainly avoid the product(s) that caused them.
For your researching pleasure:
http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/lactose-intolerance
Regarding hormones/antibiotics/etc: If you're concerned, purchase dairy products from cows or other animals that are not treated with hormones or antibiotics.
Regarding "dairy is unhealthy sludge that will kill you!": Well, several thousand years ago, humans in Europe began to frequently consume dairy. Somehow that population managed to avoid dying out...
Regarding "milk makes baby cows fat, why would I drink it?": I suppose if you are biologically a cow and you consume the same quantity of cow's milk as calves do, you could gain quite a lot of weight. However, I'm pretty sure you're all human.
Regarding "I don't like dairy": Then don't eat it! I don't like pork or raisins that aren't dipped in chocolate, so I don't eat them. I'm allergic to shellfish and kiwifruit, so I definitely don't eat them either. However, just because I don't like/can't eat a food doesn't mean that other people with different tastes shouldn't be able to incorporate it as part of a healthy diet.0 -
^ Milk will always have naturally-occurring hormones in it that are simply not healthy for you.
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html
Your other points make no sense and/or are wrong.0
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