Diet soda, does it really make a difference?
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Me personally, I don't think artificial sweeteners are 100% safe. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion there. For me the keyword is artificial meaning it is fake, chemical, unnatural and with recent new additions to the sugar free fight, unnecessary.
Yep, you can have your own opinion. No argument there. Me, I question the logic of being suspicious of something just because it is artificial when some of the most toxic substances known to man are 100% natural. Seems like the actual documented toxicity (or lack thereof) of the substance ought to be the important point, doesn't it?
And as far as unnecessary, yes, that's true as long as you like the taste of the alternatives better. Personally, I don't.
Have you tried Sweet-leaf Liquid Sweetener? It's not as common on the market.
Often times when people get snarky about the fact some of us don't want to pump artificial chemicals in our bodies, and use the "well some of the most toxic substances known to man are 100% natural" yes, often after a lot of processing with a few exceptions there. Certain illegal substances for instance don't simply grow dangerous, they are processed to the point of lethality.
I don't understand what's so wrong, why people get so bent out of shape over those who are just trying to be healthier and kick the chemicals out of their diet. It's not a matter of "being suspicious" of aspartame. It's a matter of it's an unnatural chemical and regardless of how safe any study claims it is I would much prefer to do my best to limit my intake as much as possible until better alternatives reach the market.0 -
From a health standpoint...
- All soda is highly acidic and will damage your tooth enamel
- Sodas weaken bones (I think it has something to do with the carbonation, but don't quote me on it)
From a diet standpoint, I only know what I have read and what it did to me. I have read artificial sweetners actually increase cravings because your body wants sugar but you're not giving it the real thing so you just want more. For me, I noticed diet soda made me more hungry and I actually was addicted to it. I could drink two 2-liter bottles a day no problem and it wasn't the caffeine I was addicted to because nothing else with caffeine took care of the craving. But I still craved sweet things too. Also, no matter how you look at it, you're ingesting a chemical, so it can't be very good. I managed to switch to just water but it wasn't easy and it took me years to do it successfully. But that's just what it did to me. It depends on how far you are taking your lifestyle change.0 -
I believe everything in moderation. Enjoy your soda and maybe make it a treat on your cheat day!!!0
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Well, don't quote me on this, but this is what my mama told me. Drinking diet soda, coke zero, or basically any sugar substitute throws off how your body responds to real sugar. When drinking a diet coke, your body is ready to process sugar and the calories along with it. But then it doesn't get any. After a while, your body gets used to that, and so when you do ingest real sugar, your body isn't able to process it as well. Kinda makes sense to me me.
Um no..... just no.......
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Mama isn't always right.Well, don't quote me on this, but this is what my mama told me. Drinking diet soda, coke zero, or basically any sugar substitute throws off how your body responds to real sugar. When drinking a diet coke, your body is ready to process sugar and the calories along with it. But then it doesn't get any. After a while, your body gets used to that, and so when you do ingest real sugar, your body isn't able to process it as well. Kinda makes sense to me me.
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Link a site showing health problems caused by artificial sweetners. Make sure it's peer reviewed.No! Makes no difference. Yea sure in a way of stuff they probably take Out of the drink but they have to replace it with another chemical that of course will later cause Health problems.
All soda is the same. They have BAD carbs and sugars and chems to make you CRAVE another Bad carb product. Thats just the SICK truth. (DRINK any type of SODA, you will CRAVE more SODA) diet, sugar free or whatever, its all the same.
What you need to do is get on juices instead like Gatorade or Poweraid , IF you need that taste, But I HIGHLY recommend sticking to water Water WAter. If you drink a gallon of water everyday , you NEVER have to worry about gaining "water wait" due to yuor body already consuming enough water!
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Problem is that the "chemicals" in diet soda aren't man made. Phenylalaine is in breast milk and meat. It's an amino acid. As well as Aspartic acid.That question will certainly open a can of worms and all the fear mongering you may want to read so let me add my 2 cents... I do not buy into the fear mongering, the amount of aspartame that you would have to consume before it would be harmful is tremendous (for me at 250 lbs. I would have to consume over 20+ cans a day for an extended period of time). That being said I drink 2-3 Diet Pepsi a day along with my 100+ oz. of water and have lost a few pounds in the process.... I don't plan on quitting anytime soon but like I said it comes down to what you believe about it.... Best of Luck
I don't mean to disagree with you, but it's not fear-mongering - it's being aware. I really despise the term "fear-mongering" that pops up all the time on this site. :grumble:
Our bodies we're really made to intake and process man-made chemicals, so putting in your body doesn't really do it any good - and if you think otherwise I think you are foolish. It seems like drinking it or not drinking it doesn't really make a difference weight wise, but pop in general isn't really that great for you....
This is why "fear mongering" term is used. When claims are made without substance to actually back it, that's what it is.
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Again more misinformation. Artificial sweetners of today have no affect on the pancreas islet and release of insulin.Just my opinion but it seems that there are two issues being bandied about here. One is Diet Coke bad for you and two are artificial sweeteners bad for you.
On the first question, yes diet cokes are not good for you but they may take a loooooooog time to have an effect. All carbonated drinks have been shown to leach calcium from your body so you may develop more of a tendency to have osteoporosis. Than there is the artificial additives and the psychological factors mentioned in previous posts.
Question two, yes there are clear indications that some artificial sweeteners are bad and the jury is still out on others. As one posters Mamma said they do have an affect on how you body handles sugar. Your brain gets a signal that you are eating sweet (sugar) and releases insulin to covert what it doesn't need to fat. Excess insulin in your body is not good in and of itself but it also tends to lead to a blunting of future response to sweet taste later.
Now both of those indicate Diet soda is bad for you but if it helps you avoid worse things like real sweets and food so you can improve your weight or health in other ways than as the lesser of two evils, DO IT.
All of life is a trade off of things, seek balance.
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Lewis Black: And for all we study about health, we know nothing! Is milk good or bad?
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Association isn't causation. Kidney decline can happen when less water in taken it.Get rid of it, and never look back!
Diet soda is doing these 7 awful things to your body
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Oct. 19, 2012 at 8:31 AM ET
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Pop quiz! What's the single biggest source of calories for Americans? White bread? Big Macs? Actually, try soda. The average American drinks about two cans of the stuff every day. "But I drink diet soda," you say. "With no calories or sugar, it's the perfect alternative for weight watchers...Right?"
Not so fast. Before you pop the top off the caramel-colored bubbly, know this: guzzling diet soda comes with its own set of side effects that may harm your health--from kickstarting kidney problems to adding inches to your waistline.
Unfortunately, diet soda is more in vogue than ever. Kids consume the stuff at more than double the rate of last decade, according to research in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. Among adults, consumption has grown almost 25 percent.
But knowing these 7 side effects of drinking diet soda may help you kick the can for good.
Kidney Problems
Here's something you didn't know about your diet soda: It might be bad for your kidneys. In an 11-year-long Harvard Medical School study of more than 3,000 women, researchers found that diet cola is associated with a two-fold increased risk for kidney decline. Kidney function started declining when women drank more than two sodas a day. Even more interesting: Since kidney decline was not associated with sugar-sweetened sodas, researchers suspect that the diet sweeteners are responsible.
And of course linking it with no evidence that it actually happens is conclusive enough.Messed-Up Metabolism
According to a 2008 University of Minnesota study of almost 10,000 adults, even just one diet soda a day is linked to a 34% higher risk of metabolic syndrome, the group of symptoms including belly fat and high cholesterol that puts you at risk for heart disease. Whether that link is attributed to an ingredient in diet soda or the drinkers' eating habits is unclear. But is that one can really worth it?
Overeating has more to do with weight gain and NOT drinking a 0 calorie drink. Another correlation.Obesity
You read that right: Diet soda doesn't help you lose weight after all. A University of Texas Health Science Center study found that the more diet sodas a person drank, the greater their risk of becoming overweight. Downing just two or more cans a day increased waistlines by 500%. Why? Artificial sweeteners can disrupt the body's natural ability to regulate calorie intake based on the sweetness of foods, suggested an animal study from Purdue University. That means people who consume diet foods might be more likely to overeat, because your body is being tricked into thinking it's eating sugar, and you crave more.
Lol, this is funny because alcohol is a ................gasp sugar.A Terrible Hangover
Your first bad decision was ordering that whiskey-and-diet-cola -- and you may make the next one sooner than you thought. Cocktails made with diet soda get you drunker, faster, according to a study out of the Royal Adelaide Hospital in Australia. That's because sugar-free mixers allow liquor to enter your bloodstream much quicker than those with sugar, leaving you with a bigger buzz.
Let's remember dosage matters. What was the actual dosage?Cell Damage
Diet sodas contain something many regular sodas don't: mold inhibitors. They go by the names sodium benzoate or potassium benzoate, and they're in nearly all diet sodas. But many regular sodas, such as Coke and Pepsi, don't contain this preservative.
That's bad news for diet drinkers. "These chemicals have the ability to cause severe damage to DNA in the mitochondria to the point that they totally inactivate it - they knock it out altogether," Peter Piper, a professor of molecular biology and biotechnology at the University of Sheffield in the U.K., told a British newspaper in 1999. The preservative has also been linked to hives, asthma, and other allergic conditions, according to the Center for Science in the Public Interest.
Since then, some companies have phased out sodium benzoate. Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi have replaced it with another preservative, potassium benzoate. Both sodium and potassium benzoate were classified by the Food Commission in the UK as mild irritants to the skin, eyes, and mucous membranes.
What about those with good dental hygiene?Rotting Teeth
With a pH of 3.2, diet soda is very acidic. (As a point of reference, the pH of battery acid is 1. Water is 7.) The acid is what readily dissolves enamel, and just because a soda is diet doesn't make it acid-light. Adults who drink three or more sodas a day have worse dental health, says a University of Michigan analysis of dental checkup data. Soda drinkers had far greater decay, more missing teeth, and more fillings.
BPA's are in a lot of things. Most bottled foods or drinks in plastic can have the same issue.Reproductive Issues
Sometimes, the vessel for your beverage is just as harmful. Diet or not, soft drink cans are coated with the endocrine disruptor bisphenol A (BPA), which has been linked to everything from heart disease to obesity to reproductive problems. That's a lot of risktaking for one can of pop.
Subjective and not objective reporting makes a difference. That's why the media influences so many.
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Me personally, I don't think artificial sweeteners are 100% safe. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion there. For me the keyword is artificial meaning it is fake, chemical, unnatural and with recent new additions to the sugar free fight, unnecessary.
Yep, you can have your own opinion. No argument there. Me, I question the logic of being suspicious of something just because it is artificial when some of the most toxic substances known to man are 100% natural. Seems like the actual documented toxicity (or lack thereof) of the substance ought to be the important point, doesn't it?
And as far as unnecessary, yes, that's true as long as you like the taste of the alternatives better. Personally, I don't.
Have you tried Sweet-leaf Liquid Sweetener? It's not as common on the market.
Often times when people get snarky about the fact some of us don't want to pump artificial chemicals in our bodies, and use the "well some of the most toxic substances known to man are 100% natural" yes, often after a lot of processing with a few exceptions there. Certain illegal substances for instance don't simply grow dangerous, they are processed to the point of lethality.
I don't understand what's so wrong, why people get so bent out of shape over those who are just trying to be healthier and kick the chemicals out of their diet. It's not a matter of "being suspicious" of aspartame. It's a matter of it's an unnatural chemical and regardless of how safe any study claims it is I would much prefer to do my best to limit my intake as much as possible until better alternatives reach the market.
I think part of the snark is because of the holiness and preachiness the anti-soda crowd can, at times, impart in these threads. There's absolutely nothing wrong with not wanting it in your body. Your body, your choice, and being soda free is probably one of the better choices to make. But when the fire and brimstone based on extreme lab rat tests or something they read once on the internet is shoved at us and worded in a way that implies they are better than the soda drinkers, you can see how people get their backs up.
I don't think there's anything wrong with a diet soda now and then. I love my Diet Pink Grapefruit Sodastream. It's my treat at the end of a long day.
Oh, and I have a bottle of Sweet Leaf Stevia for my coffee, Vanilla Creme.
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Or we could believe actual scientific research from peer reviewed clinical studies that debunk a lot of the claims of how "unhealthy" it is.Believe the mantra "nothing is bad for you" at your own risk. Or "I've been doing it for x amount of years and I'm okay". Getting away with ingesting things that aren't good for you for a long duration is not a compelling reason to encourage others to do it.
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Time to read peer reviewed scientific studies and not just articles from anti diet soda sites.From a health standpoint...
- All soda is highly acidic and will damage your tooth enamel
- Sodas weaken bones (I think it has something to do with the carbonation, but don't quote me on it)
From a diet standpoint, I only know what I have read and what it did to me. I have read artificial sweetners actually increase cravings because your body wants sugar but you're not giving it the real thing so you just want more. For me, I noticed diet soda made me more hungry and I actually was addicted to it. I could drink two 2-liter bottles a day no problem and it wasn't the caffeine I was addicted to because nothing else with caffeine took care of the craving. But I still craved sweet things too. Also, no matter how you look at it, you're ingesting a chemical, so it can't be very good. I managed to switch to just water but it wasn't easy and it took me years to do it successfully. But that's just what it did to me. It depends on how far you are taking your lifestyle change.
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Well, don't quote me on this, but this is what my mama told me. Drinking diet soda, coke zero, or basically any sugar substitute throws off how your body responds to real sugar. When drinking a diet coke, your body is ready to process sugar and the calories along with it. But then it doesn't get any. After a while, your body gets used to that, and so when you do ingest real sugar, your body isn't able to process it as well. Kinda makes sense to me me.
Nice try, Forrest Gump.0 -
Is drinking diet soda really that bad? if so, what are the negatives effects?
Here's one for you - I don't really drink any sodas, but last weekend diet coke was on the menu at a friends house so that is what I drank during the day and evening. Couldn't get to sleep that night, then 5am the next morning, had a serious case of liquid delhi belly. Guess I'm not geared up for it, I've certainly been put off ever drinking it again! I'm sure it was the comparitive excess that was the problem, but it's a very real side effect that can occur from drinking diet coke :laugh: :drinker:0 -
Having read a lot of stuff on diet sodas, best as I can figure the only reasons not to drink them are if you're sensitive to artificial sweeteners, or are against non-natural foodstuffs.
Your post suggests that you are neither, so you're good to go in moderation.0 -
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You're body wasn't designed to drive a car, or use the internet, either.That question will certainly open a can of worms and all the fear mongering you may want to read so let me add my 2 cents... I do not buy into the fear mongering, the amount of aspartame that you would have to consume before it would be harmful is tremendous (for me at 250 lbs. I would have to consume over 20+ cans a day for an extended period of time). That being said I drink 2-3 Diet Pepsi a day along with my 100+ oz. of water and have lost a few pounds in the process.... I don't plan on quitting anytime soon but like I said it comes down to what you believe about it.... Best of Luck
I don't mean to disagree with you, but it's not fear-mongering - it's being aware. I really despise the term "fear-mongering" that pops up all the time on this site. :grumble:
Our bodies we're really made to intake and process man-made chemicals, so putting in your body doesn't really do it any good - and if you think otherwise I think you are foolish. It seems like drinking it or not drinking it doesn't really make a difference weight wise, but pop in general isn't really that great for you....
As for aspartame, there's more aspartame naturally occurring in 4 oz of chicken breast as there is in a 24 pack of diet soda, so it's a non-issue. And the body isn't "fooled" by aspartame, aspartame is protein, and the body handles and digests it like any other protein chain.0 -
It causes a variety of cancers.
Here's the most recent news on Splenda.
http://news.msn.com/us/splenda-goes-from-safe-to-caution-after-leukemia-found-in-mice0 -
Me personally, I don't think artificial sweeteners are 100% safe. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion there.
Except, no. You can have your own [informed] opinions. You can't have your own facts, and determining if something is safe is not a matter of feelings, it's a matter of facts and evidence. You can absolutely choose to avoid artificial sweeteners for any reason you want, but you can't just choose to believe that it is a fact that they are not safe. Let's talk real science here, not broscience. What do clinical, peer-reviewed studies have to say about artificial sweeteners? After you figure that out, then you can have an informed opinion on the matter.
I personally don't like the taste of most artificially-sweetened things, so I tend to avoid them. I will drink an occasional A&W 10 (they are so much better than regular diet A&W), and I am perfectly okay with that.0 -
My Dad can not drink any diet soda, without spending hours in the bathroom. I tend to get very bloated from them, but when I am working, I often have one to two diet cokes or sprite zeros. I don't have enough time to eat sometimes, so it actually keeps me going.
If it isn't bothering you, you are drinking water also and you enjoy it, you can make a decision based on the information on this thread or through your own research.
Personally I try to stay away from it on the days I don't work (4 a week) and give myself free reign to have some when I do work. Lo,l that's my bribe to go to work I guess.0 -
What dosage in human consumption would be needed to simulate what happened to mice? If it's more than a case full of splenda per sitting..................then I'll agree. Also mentioning that this is a PENDING study for review and not conclusive.It causes a variety of cancers.
Here's the most recent news on Splenda.
http://news.msn.com/us/splenda-goes-from-safe-to-caution-after-leukemia-found-in-mice
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Or we could believe actual scientific research from peer reviewed clinical studies that debunk a lot of the claims of how "unhealthy" it is.Believe the mantra "nothing is bad for you" at your own risk. Or "I've been doing it for x amount of years and I'm okay". Getting away with ingesting things that aren't good for you for a long duration is not a compelling reason to encourage others to do it.
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This aspect of MFP has been the most puzzling - people who appear fit and have fitness certifications arguing on behalf of products that are under a lot of scrutiny for their potential harmful effects. Here's an idea - err on the side of caution and encourage food and drink that have more natural ingredients. Smokers were just as adamant about the lack of evidence against the harm of smoking (Google the old commercials with doctors advocating tobacco as healthy) - diet soda has only been around for 30 years and has had so many variations in artificial ingredients that the long term harmful effects may not be known until it is too late.0 -
Me personally, I don't think artificial sweeteners are 100% safe. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion there.
Except, no. You can have your own [informed] opinions. You can't have your own facts, and determining if something is safe is not a matter of feelings, it's a matter of facts and evidence. You can absolutely choose to avoid artificial sweeteners for any reason you want, but you can't just choose to believe that it is a fact that they are not safe. Let's talk real science here, not broscience. What do clinical, peer-reviewed studies have to say about artificial sweeteners? After you figure that out, then you can have an informed opinion on the matter.
I personally don't like the taste of most artificially-sweetened things, so I tend to avoid them. I will drink an occasional A&W 10 (they are so much better than regular diet A&W), and I am perfectly okay with that.
Respecting other people's opinions before sharing mine isn't good enough for you? Too Bad.0 -
Respecting other people's opinions before sharing mine isn't good enough for you? Too Bad.
Good for you for respecting differing opinions, I suppose. The point is that your opinion is irrelevant to the actual, factual, objective reality of the safety of artificial sweeteners. Pointing this out is not some attack on you personally.0 -
All soda is the same. They have BAD carbs and sugars and chems to make you CRAVE another Bad carb product. Thats just the SICK truth. (DRINK any type of SODA, you will CRAVE more SODA) diet, sugar free or whatever, its all the same.
This wasn't serious, was it? Do I need my sarcasm detector calibrated?
Lol yup i guess is would be funny to you, because your so ripped and your health is in excellent! Keep drinking soda and lets see those big muscles you got behind tht dog LOL0 -
Link a site showing health problems caused by artificial sweetners. Make sure it's peer reviewed.No! Makes no difference. Yea sure in a way of stuff they probably take Out of the drink but they have to replace it with another chemical that of course will later cause Health problems.
All soda is the same. They have BAD carbs and sugars and chems to make you CRAVE another Bad carb product. Thats just the SICK truth. (DRINK any type of SODA, you will CRAVE more SODA) diet, sugar free or whatever, its all the same.
What you need to do is get on juices instead like Gatorade or Poweraid , IF you need that taste, But I HIGHLY recommend sticking to water Water WAter. If you drink a gallon of water everyday , you NEVER have to worry about gaining "water wait" due to yuor body already consuming enough water!
friendly tips!:glasses:
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Really? Do I need to actually show you that soda causes health problems?!?!?!0 -
Link a site showing health problems caused by artificial sweetners. Make sure it's peer reviewed.No! Makes no difference. Yea sure in a way of stuff they probably take Out of the drink but they have to replace it with another chemical that of course will later cause Health problems.
All soda is the same. They have BAD carbs and sugars and chems to make you CRAVE another Bad carb product. Thats just the SICK truth. (DRINK any type of SODA, you will CRAVE more SODA) diet, sugar free or whatever, its all the same.
What you need to do is get on juices instead like Gatorade or Poweraid , IF you need that taste, But I HIGHLY recommend sticking to water Water WAter. If you drink a gallon of water everyday , you NEVER have to worry about gaining "water wait" due to yuor body already consuming enough water!
friendly tips!:glasses:
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Really? Do I need to actually show you that soda causes health problems?!?!?!
People like you are the reason anecdotal evidence and misconceptions arise. YES you have to show proof if you're making claims.0 -
Respecting other people's opinions before sharing mine isn't good enough for you? Too Bad.
Good for you for respecting differing opinions, I suppose. The point is that your opinion is irrelevant to the actual, factual, objective reality of the safety of artificial sweeteners. Pointing this out is not some attack on you personally.
Exactly. People throw out the word "opinion" when we should be talking about facts. You can't just decide that it's a fact that something isn't safe!0 -
Link a site showing health problems caused by artificial sweetners. Make sure it's peer reviewed.No! Makes no difference. Yea sure in a way of stuff they probably take Out of the drink but they have to replace it with another chemical that of course will later cause Health problems.
All soda is the same. They have BAD carbs and sugars and chems to make you CRAVE another Bad carb product. Thats just the SICK truth. (DRINK any type of SODA, you will CRAVE more SODA) diet, sugar free or whatever, its all the same.
What you need to do is get on juices instead like Gatorade or Poweraid , IF you need that taste, But I HIGHLY recommend sticking to water Water WAter. If you drink a gallon of water everyday , you NEVER have to worry about gaining "water wait" due to yuor body already consuming enough water!
friendly tips!:glasses:
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Really? Do I need to actually show you that soda causes health problems?!?!?!
People like you are the reason anecdotal evidence and misconceptions arise. YES you have to show proof if you're making claims.
and its people like you who are already brain washed or just probably dont care what you eat or drink. I say "Really?" Because all i have to simply Google is soda & health and BAM! Nothing more to say!
Hey do me this, SHOW me a link saying where "SODA" is Beneficial and "Good" for you ok?.. then i`ll be quite 0
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