Wheat Belly?

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  • Mokey41
    Mokey41 Posts: 5,769 Member
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    The theories and scare mongering in the book are total bunk and have been disproven many times over. If you quit eating a lot of wheat products (carbs) and don't replace them with gluten free substitute products (which usually contain even more calories) then you may lose some weight just based on the fact you are eating fewer calories.

    Cutting out wheat or gluten without having an allergy or celiac disease is pointless. This guy made a fortune selling his book which is about the only good thing he did.
  • SJVZEE
    SJVZEE Posts: 451 Member
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    http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2013/01/07/CTM_wheatbelly_17_480x360.jpg
    Picture of the author. Looks like whatever he promotes is bunk if he follows it. Pretty chubby fella. And yeah, wheat doesn't make you fat. Check out the middle east, the bread basket of the world. They are all skinny as heck. If anything, eat more wheat, unless you have gluten sensitivity.

    I read the book a few months ago, and that's what kept jumping out at me-Dr. Davis is overweight :huh: And it's not an old picture-I watched an interview he did earlier this year and yep, that's what he looks like. I'm definitely not one to pick on someone for being overweight, but if you're promoting a way of eating, in part as a way to lose weight, then it's fair game :drinker:
  • Missjulesdid
    Missjulesdid Posts: 1,444 Member
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    I don't know about the book or what he has to say. I can tell that my joint pain in my knees was so bad I could barely make it through a 7 hour shift at work.. when I'd get home I'd have to put my legs up for several hours. I couldn't close my hands all the way. I had reflux. I decided to try a juice fast and I felt a MILLION times better. The joint pain in my knees was reduced so much that I was able to start walking after work.. my hands felt so great I was able to start crocheting again. So I added back regular wholesome foods into my diet and continued to juice to supplement.. The joint pain returned so I figured it must be something in my diet.. I blamed dairy. So i did an elimination diet and discovered that it WASN'T dairy making me feel so bad.. it was WHEAT! I was shocked and really disappointed.. oh how I loved wheat!

    So, I've been wheat free since December. My joint pain is nearly gone. I no longer have any reflux. My T3, T4and TSH levels are now normal without any synthroid. Just to be clear, I am not celiac.. my problem was not in my gut.. it was in my whole body. Also, I've had traces of gluten in my diet as I don't avoid gluten in the same way a celiac must.. I simply avoid the obvious sources of wheat.. but I don't worry about cross contamination exposure to wheat or gluten... for example, I'll make wheat tortillas for my boyfriend and then make my corn tortillas in the same kitchen without washing my hands or cleaning my tortilla pan in between. If I was celiac, I couldn't do that. Heck, I don't even know if it's the GLUTEN in the wheat that's the problem for me.... It could be some other part of the wheat for all I know.. I mean I haven't had Rye or Barley either, I suppose I could try introducing them to see how I feel.. but they're just not things I normally eat anyway.

    My advice would be, if you suspect that wheat may be a problem for you.... try doing an elimination diet to see if you feel better without it.

    Glad to hear that. I also have knee problems. My knee is so bad that I cannot do any form of physical activity without extreme pain. I have been on every prescription drug you can think of and nothing has helped. I have been going to physiotherapy for over 3 years and have had 2 procedures done to my knee. If this helped your joint pain that is a large reason for me to try it. Thanks so much for sharing!!!

    It took a few weeks to start noticing a difference in my joints.. my hands improved first followed by my knees. They're still not 100% but I'd say they're about 85% better than before. My reflux went away almost immediately. The thyroid levels took the longest to change.. that took 8 months before I was completely off the synthroid. I was lucky because my actual thyroid was in perfect condition... if it had been damaged, there's NOTHING that can fix it.
  • Bernadette60614
    Bernadette60614 Posts: 707 Member
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    Also, something I have read (since I've joined DH on the gluten free journey), that there is way more gluten in our wheat products than in other countries. We've just managed to process foods to such an extreme degree that wheat in our products can cause more issues than wheat which is more "natural" in other countries.
  • knittnponder
    knittnponder Posts: 1,954 Member
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    I got it from the library out of curiosity but didn't even finish it. I've been gluten free for over a year because I am intolerant to it and have a variety of issues when I eat it. I didn't lose a single pound when I went gluten free though. That's why it was hard to read and I didn't finish, because he was making claims that I knew from personal experience weren't true. I'm still gluten free and now I'm trying grain free to see if it helps me further because I have some health issues that I'm hoping to address but I don't expect going grain free to magically make the weight disappear.
  • cuddingm
    cuddingm Posts: 41 Member
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    http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2013/01/07/CTM_wheatbelly_17_480x360.jpg
    Picture of the author. Looks like whatever he promotes is bunk if he follows it. Pretty chubby fella. And yeah, wheat doesn't make you fat. Check out the middle east, the bread basket of the world. They are all skinny as heck. If anything, eat more wheat, unless you have gluten sensitivity.

    I read the book a few months ago, and that's what kept jumping out at me-Dr. Davis is overweight :huh: And it's not an old picture-I watched an interview he did earlier this year and yep, that's what he looks like. I'm definitely not one to pick on someone for being overweight, but if you're promoting a way of eating, in part as a way to lose weight, then it's fair game :drinker:

    I hate to point it out but in the first few chapters he discusses how he looks and talks about how most people don't trust an over weight man to give them weight loss tips. Don't judge and give it another read. He does address his weight.
  • CrazyCatLadylovescats
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    I do not have an intolerance to wheat....but. I tried it for the weight loss - didn't work, may be my thyroid or some other issue is mucking up my weight loss.

    But what I did notice was that my hip that hurt off and on for years, stopped hurting. The "bible bump" on my wrist went away. And my sinus headaches are WAY down. (I used to worry about buying too much sudaphed - that the cops would come and think I was a meth head.) After the initial brain fog went away, I no longer had the 3 pm shakes that only seemed to go away with crackers. If I miss a meal now, no big deal. Before I would get classic low blood sugar symptoms if I was late eating a meal.

    If I eat a bunch of wheat now, like for a week if we go on vacation and are eating fast food and people are feeding us pizza every night, then I tend to feel much achier all around.

    To me the whole concept makes sense. Grains are high calorie. When I was actively losing weight 10 years ago, severe limits on the amounts of grains I ate really helped the weight come off. I don't worry about missing certain vitamins - I eat lots of different types of food, I will get them. When I don't eat the grains I can have LOTS of other foods that are much more filling, lower calorie and better for me in the long run.

    As far as feeling deprived...not really. This coming from a woman who made her own bread from wheat and grains I ground myself. I still (really!) eat about the same as I did before. Most of my meals in the past were a mixture of pasta, rice or whole grain dishes with lots of vegetables. Things like stir fry, curry and one pot meals. I still make the same things, only I don't add the pasta or rice, I just add more vegetables. I still eat spaghetti with my kids, only I slice and roast zucchini topped with cheese that I put my sauce on. I make quiche...but don't put in a crust. As I am trying to lose weight, I am trying not to eat sweet stuff. But that said, I have made a few things with coconut flour (pancakes) and other things that are very tasty. Just not really low calorie.
  • cuddingm
    cuddingm Posts: 41 Member
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    Just posting once more. I have decided what is best for me personally now after reading a few opinions from both sides. Have a good conversation here if you choose to. My mind is made up and I will not be checking back here.

    Cheers
  • Lleldiranne
    Lleldiranne Posts: 5,516 Member
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    If you have a legitimate gluten intolerance, like Celiac Sprue, then yes, cut out gluten. If you're allergic to wheat, then stop eating it.

    Otherwise, why cut out wheat? It's a good source of complex carbohydrates, B vitamins, etc (if you eat whole wheat … if you use refined wheat, then not so much unless it's "enriched"). There is no real evidence that wheat is bad for you in any way (with the exceptions I already mentioned). It's propaganda. 10 years ago it was corn. In another decade, the scaremongering industry will have moved on to some other food.

    I was informed by a nutritionist and my doctor to stay away from enriched wheat. They told me that they are just full of chemicals that can be harmful. And to especially stay away from enriched white bread. Just thought I'd let you know.

    Oh, believe me, I avoid white flour products as much as possible! Notice, the enriched is in quotation marks. My point was that the nutrients occur naturally in wheat, but are lost when you use refined (white) flour, so they shove them back in by "enriching" the flour.
  • Kanuenue
    Kanuenue Posts: 253 Member
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    Its been pretty well debunked (see http://noglutennoproblem.blogspot.com/2012/03/wheat-belly-busted.html; http://www.thebestgrains.com/the-truth-about-wheat-belly-and-fad-diets; and many others).

    Unless you have a specific intolerance or allergy to wheat and gluten, are diabetic, or have some other disorder, there isn't a real reason to cut out wheat, gluten, or carbs.

    If you are doing it for weight loss only, its best to instead follow a plan you know you can stick to forever.

    One of your sources is a Wheat growers union of some kind. There is propaganda on every side, keep your eyes open.
  • jeanywren
    jeanywren Posts: 72 Member
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    I was on prescription medication for acid reflux too and it went away within a week or so of cutting out most gluten from the diet. Forgot about that. I have not taken the pills since.
  • Smurfette1987
    Smurfette1987 Posts: 110 Member
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    I appear to have a gluten intolerance. I don't understand why anyone would want to cut it out unless they have to, I'm like a food leper and have to be very careful that I get enough carbohydrates from other sources or I get binge urges, I doubt that makes anyone lose weight :(
    yes supermarket bread is pants. So make your own.
    If there are revolutionary new findings in the field of nutrition they will be published through peer reviewed studies, NOT profit making faddy books. Save your money spent on crap books and the additional cost of a GF diet and pay a subscription to a website that has journal archives.
    Just my 2pennies.
  • ThickMcRunFast
    ThickMcRunFast Posts: 22,511 Member
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    Its been pretty well debunked (see http://noglutennoproblem.blogspot.com/2012/03/wheat-belly-busted.html; http://www.thebestgrains.com/the-truth-about-wheat-belly-and-fad-diets; and many others).

    Unless you have a specific intolerance or allergy to wheat and gluten, are diabetic, or have some other disorder, there isn't a real reason to cut out wheat, gluten, or carbs.

    If you are doing it for weight loss only, its best to instead follow a plan you know you can stick to forever.

    One of your sources is a Wheat growers union of some kind. There is propaganda on every side, keep your eyes open.

    My other source was a gluten free blog...both have the same opinion.

    But it was a google search, I just grabbed the top two things. You are free to do your own research.
  • strongmindstrongbody
    strongmindstrongbody Posts: 315 Member
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    http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2013/01/07/CTM_wheatbelly_17_480x360.jpg
    Picture of the author. Looks like whatever he promotes is bunk if he follows it. Pretty chubby fella. And yeah, wheat doesn't make you fat. Check out the middle east, the bread basket of the world. They are all skinny as heck. If anything, eat more wheat, unless you have gluten sensitivity.

    I read the book a few months ago, and that's what kept jumping out at me-Dr. Davis is overweight :huh: And it's not an old picture-I watched an interview he did earlier this year and yep, that's what he looks like. I'm definitely not one to pick on someone for being overweight, but if you're promoting a way of eating, in part as a way to lose weight, then it's fair game :drinker:

    I hate to point it out but in the first few chapters he discusses how he looks and talks about how most people don't trust an over weight man to give them weight loss tips. Don't judge and give it another read. He does address his weight.

    It is ironic how he's overweight (obese even?) and promoting a diet book for losing weight. I read the book a while back and don't recall him giving an excuse for his weight. Does he have some kind of medical problem that interferes with his weight loss?

    As for cutting out gluten, I tried that and didn't notice any changes. I was hoping, though! But now I'm glad I didn't because I like having some gluten foods in my diet.
  • LJA1968
    LJA1968 Posts: 516 Member
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    I have found out that I have an intolerance to wheat and gluten. I removed it from my diet last summer and within a week felt much better. I had more energy, wasn't bloated anymore and my joints didn't hurt. This did not cause me to lose all the weight I've lost but made it possible for me to move/exercise in order to lose the weight. I will still have the odd wheat product because it is not an allergy I have, but I can tell you that if I eat too much, I'm in rough shape for several days. It definately effects my body in a bad way. I don't believe you should use it as a weight loss tool, however. If you think you have an allergy or intolerance to it then by all means get tested. Note that if you remove it from your diet yourself for an extended period of time and then get tested, results may not be very accurate. Good luck on your journey.
  • luckyshilling
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    My first clue I might be sensitive to wheat was when I tried whole wheat pasta, you know cuz it is healthy right?

    Thought I was going to explode from the super painful gas I had. Sorry if that grosses y'all out. At first I was thinking maybe I am just not used to this much fiber. But when it kept happening even after I had been eating healthy for a long time and it never caused any such discomfort in my husband I was pretty convinced to let the wheat go.

    No I haven't been officially diagnosed or anything, but seriously, when eating something causes me physical pain do I really need to have a Dr. tell me to stop eating it if it hurts. I have figured out what I can and can not eat by trial and error. Hey, works for me, cuz I'm a snowflake 'yo.:drinker: :laugh:
  • amyrob56
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    There is another board called Wheat Belly - this is a copy of my post from there.

    I have read the book.

    I know, another fad - but I started this in mid-June….and I have to say the results have been wonderful for me.
    I have lost 14lbs (yes I have also reduced other carbs and sugars as well - but that was much easier after I eliminated wheat).

    Beyond the weight loss - even more important to me has been:

    I am never Hungry!!! Snacking between meals does not occur to me anymore
    90% reduction in chronic joint pain (wrists, elbows, knees and back) = Amazing!!!
    100% reduction in acid reflex (I thought it was because I was drinking so much homemade wine - I’m still drinking the wine and the Acid Reflux is gone!)
    100% better sleep, fall asleep faster-stay asleep
    No more brain fog
    Much more energy.
    I can breath through my nose! I had horses growing up and always thought I was slightly allergic to either hay, grain dust or the horses themselves but I loved them more than dealing with not being able to breath through my nose. After horses were gone I just thought I had never learned to breath through my nose so that is why I still could/did not..... Now I breath through my nose and take deep breaths - all happened without my even noticing until one day Eureka I realized I was!

    I have not completely eliminated wheat but I try to avoid any obvious sources and do read lables very carefully. I am not particuarly intolerant - I can have some wheat and not experience the severe digestive issues some people do.

    However, I have noticed that when I do choose to or inadvertanly eat wheat these symptoms reappear almost immediately:
    joint pain
    increased cravings for more carbs
    stuffy head

    To each their own but reducing wheat has been good for me.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
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    RCT finds no evidence of non-celiac gluten sensitivity
    download.journals.elsevierhealth.com/pdfs/journals/0016-5085/PIIS0016508513007026.pdf
  • BluejayNY
    BluejayNY Posts: 301 Member
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    Its been pretty well debunked (see http://noglutennoproblem.blogspot.com/2012/03/wheat-belly-busted.html; http://www.thebestgrains.com/the-truth-about-wheat-belly-and-fad-diets; and many others).

    Unless you have a specific intolerance or allergy to wheat and gluten, are diabetic, or have some other disorder, there isn't a real reason to cut out wheat, gluten, or carbs.

    If you are doing it for weight loss only, its best to instead follow a plan you know you can stick to forever.






    This.
  • smp0723
    smp0723 Posts: 88
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    I have just started reading the book this weekend but after advice from a nutritionist with her Masters in Functional Nutrition, I cut wheat and gluten out a week ago after trying to do a eating plan through my Personal Trainer that was supposed to be a well balanced diet. It contained only wheat/whole grain breads which I never used to eat a lot of, I always ate white

    I have terrible, diagnosed, tendonitus in my thumb/wrist of my right hand which have not really bothered my in many years unless I do something specific to aggravate it (gardening, sewing etc.). After 2 weeks of being on the new eating plan, my wrist/thumb hurt so bad I had to wear a brace 24/7 and would wake up in the middle of the night due to the pain. It hadn't hurt like that in YEARS! I mentioned to someone at work and he suggested gluten being a cause of inflamation which causes pain and then someone else suggested Wheat Belly.

    Well, I am living proof-I stopped the wheat and within 3-4 days was able to take off my brace and have had no pain for over a week. Yesterday, I cheated, had macaroni salad & a hot dog roll along with a few other picnic foods and again-thumb/wrist are throbbing.

    I have my answer and will be wheat free going forward. The people they say it has been "debunked"....how do you know those people know what they are talking about either? We never know who REALLY knows the truth but Dr. Davis makes sense, we all know foods are not made/grown the way they were when our parents and grandparents were kids--buy organic & grass fed meat & do a taste test--that alone proved to me that we need to eat whole foods and buy organic, chemical free, grassfed as much as possible. My 9 yr old son has been able to stop taking acid reflux meds he has been on since he was 4 months old thanks to our switch to organic--proof enough for me.