Starvation Mode - Adaptive Thermogenesis and Weight Loss

I’ve read many times that Starvation Mode is a myth or that it isn’t - while this irks me, it isn’t sufficient to push me to just add more noise to the debate. I recently read an interesting article that reviewed different aspects of adaptive thermogenesis, thinking it might be of interest to others, I’ve written a summary.

Broken into several posts, this covers the Starvation Mode Myth and Reality, some of the (mis)definition, then focus on adaptive thermogenesis and how it can affect real people trying to lose weight and hopefully some practical day to day aspects.

While I can’t guarantee you’ll learn something new, my intent is to present information that isn’t generally covered in an easy to read format and I know I learned something from writing this.

I hope it is useful to you.

Given the forum format, I’ve broken this into several posts and created in each a “too long; didn’t read” section.

I'll also thank the individuals that helped me get this together and, in particular LiftAllThePizzas, sjohnny, McB for by providing content input, questions or editing support.
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  • PepperWorm
    PepperWorm Posts: 1,206
    Great tips. Thanks!
  • Ophidion
    Ophidion Posts: 2,065 Member
    bump Good stuff! highest of fives for writing this thread and doing the research.
  • scottaworley
    scottaworley Posts: 871 Member
    Metabolic adaptation =/= starvation mode.

    ETA: While I think we would agree on the concept of metabolic adaptation, I think that it is dangerous to call metabolic adaptation "starvation mode".
  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,809 Member
    Fascinating – thank you.
  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member
    Great post!

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    I love seeing research attached.
  • LeanneGoingThin
    LeanneGoingThin Posts: 215 Member
    Interesting, thank you.
  • almc170
    almc170 Posts: 1,093 Member
    Great post, thanks!
  • ElliInJapan
    ElliInJapan Posts: 286 Member
    That's a great post, thank you for writing it! This whole "starvation mode" thing was always confusing to me. Are there any data whether this reduction in TDEE changes with time? (in terms of years I mean, assuming that the individual remains at the same level of leanness

    ETA: Also, another question: what is considered a "large" deficit? (how is it defined?) I think VLCD are at ~800kcal, where do the so common 1200kcal diets fall?
  • BeachIron
    BeachIron Posts: 6,490 Member
    Thank you for posting this. :drinker:
  • Maaike84
    Maaike84 Posts: 211 Member
    thanks for this, very informative!!
  • Cranquistador
    Cranquistador Posts: 39,744 Member
    In.
  • MrBecky
    MrBecky Posts: 55 Member
    Thanks!
    A good read and thanks for referencing and laying it out so well!
  • BeachGingerOnTheRocks
    BeachGingerOnTheRocks Posts: 3,927 Member
    Thank you for compiling all this together into one post. I do think "starvation mode" is an overused and misunderstood term on MFP, and it is very helpful to understand what it happening and why there is a real need for going slow with weight loss. Thank you!
  • ihad
    ihad Posts: 7,463 Member
    Great writeup. This will be very valuable for many people.
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
    That's a great post, thank you for writing it! This whole "starvation mode" thing was always confusing to me. Are there any data whether this reduction in TDEE changes with time? (in terms of years I mean, assuming that the individual remains at the same level of leanness

    ETA: Also, another question: what is considered a "large" deficit? (how is it defined?) I think VLCD are at ~800kcal, where do the so common 1200kcal diets fall?

    Thanks for the questions.

    In the biosphere 2 study - It was found that at least 6 months after refeed, even when body weight had returned to normal, the TDEE was lower - but possibly this was due to the fact that the majority of the weight re-gain was fat.

    http://ejournals.ebsco.com/Direct.asp?AccessToken=959Q5IJ8X14KKMU1XZMIQJKUUMR48IMJXD&Show=Object&msid=-419407123

    For individuals that remain at the same level of leaness - there is this study:
    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/88/4/906.full.pdf+html

    The reduction in TDEE does recover and it is addressed in a lot the references they cite. But the duration, presence of TDEE drop, and recovery vary enormously and is a subject of discussion.
    We previously reported persistent reductions in EE—corrected for metabolic mass and age—in subjects maintaining a reduced body weight for periods of >3 mo after cessation of weight loss (3– 6, 37). These reductions in EE could reflect transient carryover of the metabolic consequences of negative energy balance or could be a reflection of physiologic responses to reduced body fat per se (or both). The distinction between these 2 possibilities is critical to an understanding of weight homeostasis in human subjects.

    The major finding of the present study is that there are similar, significant declines in TEE, NREE, and, to a lesser extent, REE in subjects maintaining a reduced body weight, regardless of whether that reduced weight has been maintained for weeks or years. In other words, bioenergetic responses to maintenance of a reduced body weight do not wane with time.

    Studies in this laboratory and elsewhere have previously reported significantly reduced energy requirements in obese women who had maintained a reduced weight for periods of 4 to 6 y (1) and in subjects who were stable at their reduced weight months after substantial weight loss (38). Other studies did not detect significant changes in EE corrected for changes in metabolic mass in weight-reduced subjects (23–27).

    A "large" deficit - yes, probably not clearly defined - VLCDs are diets that have calorie restriction to 800 cals. A large deficit is, I would assume, depends a lot on the starting point, duration, etc - I'm not sure there is a clear area here but let's say that anything beyond -30% TDEE is probably large. This is solely my assumption, I believe MFP goes with less and I welcome any references on this question.
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
    Metabolic adaptation =/= starvation mode.

    ETA: While I think we would agree on the concept of metabolic adaptation, I think that it is dangerous to call metabolic adaptation "starvation mode".

    It might be, but this is what is often confused by these two terms both in lay terms and even in the scientific literature. If you have different non-overlapping definitions that correspond to how people use the terms - please go ahead and post them.

    But the core of the info isn't about MA vs SM - I think that is a somewhat strerile debate but rather what is MA, what does it mean for the overweight person losing weight and how does it impact weight loss and do diet breaks help.
  • Camille0502
    Camille0502 Posts: 311 Member
    bump. Thanks for taking the time.
  • 55in13
    55in13 Posts: 1,091 Member
    In any of these studies you looked at, was there ever a point at which lowering consumption did not increase the deficit?

    The figures I had seen were in the 4% to 10% range, but accepting the study you found and referenced and bumping that up to 10% to 15% this means that someone eating at a computed deficit of 1000 calories below a 2500 TDEE may actually have a true deficit of only 625. I came up with that by subtracting 15% of 2500, assuming worst case impact on metabolism. A 625 calorie deficit should result in a loss of over a pound a week and certainly would not cause a plateau.
  • Jestinia
    Jestinia Posts: 1,153 Member
    Joy. By the time I'm finally done I'll have to seek out a breatharian to learn how to maintain. Or at very least a CRONy.
  • nomeejerome
    nomeejerome Posts: 2,616 Member
    in to read later.
  • sunshine_gem
    sunshine_gem Posts: 390 Member
    Bump to read again later. Fantastic post. Thanks!
  • dejamos
    dejamos Posts: 53 Member
    Bump. Thanks for doing the work on this!
  • djthom2
    djthom2 Posts: 63 Member
    A lot to take in at once, marking it for a reread. Thank you for posting
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
    In any of these studies you looked at, was there ever a point at which lowering consumption did not increase the deficit?

    The figures I had seen were in the 4% to 10% range, but accepting the study you found and referenced and bumping that up to 10% to 15% this means that someone eating at a computed deficit of 1000 calories below a 2500 TDEE may actually have a true deficit of only 625. I came up with that by subtracting 15% of 2500, assuming worst case impact on metabolism. A 625 calorie deficit should result in a loss of over a pound a week and certainly would not cause a plateau.

    Remember that your TDEE also reduces as you lose weight normally, then add to that the further reduction from a depressed metabolism.

    Here, let's take someone like me as an example.

    Starting at 110 kgs with a body fat percent of 30% and relative little activity results in a TDEE of 2650 or so.
    A cut of 500 calories a day 3500 per week. Let's say I am eating at 2150 then.

    After a while, this might result in a 10% weight loss to 99 kgs with an improved bf of 25% (not unreasonable if I did don't do much to conserve LBM)

    The TDEE of the lean individual would be 2560 cals. What would be my depressed TDEE at this point? It would be about 2180 cals. Instead of having a deficit of 410 calories I would have only a deficit of 30 calories per day. Definitely "stall conditions" if I do not either "cut bigger" or work on LBM, take a pause, etc.

    (You can do these calcs from the Katch McArdle equation using - BMR = 370 + 21.6 * LBM and TDEE = 1.3 * BMR)

    One can always have a large enough deficit to avoid a stall - but can one mentally sustain it and is it worth the other effects on LBM, emotional, hormonal balance, etc.? I am not in these posts or others being prescriptive but trying to describe what happens.

    ETA: By the way the study reports adaptation at "Maintenance of a 10% or greater reduction in body weight in lean or obese individuals is accompanied by an approximate 20%-25% decline in 24-hour energy expenditure" And we are only using a 15% decline...

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    Doing very large cuts in calories does work - people here post the success of cuting down to 1000 calories and even my own brother decided to reduce to 1200 calories and he lost a lot of weight like that but this has other impacts. He lost without any effort to maintain his LBM and by his own words he "looks like poo".

    I'm just looking at some of the things that happen along the way and why.

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    Note that in the example I used above I can either increase my activity or retain LBM and that will hike up the TDEE in that example.

    I should graph those out...