Building muscle at home?

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  • xmel123x
    xmel123x Posts: 63
    Thanks very much everyone for all the info.

    Yes I am not bothered about bulking up overnight, in fact my main aim is to become fitter and healthier, eat more balanced and nutrivious meals and get in superb shape. My ultimate aim is to have a super toned bod (I would say I'm a bit of the way there, my arms are pretty toned and I'm slim just need to rid a small bit of body fat round the middle lol), but am aware this will be a slow process and that is fine.

    On average I ho to the gym 4 times a week for an hour and do a combination of cardio 80% and strength 20%. I also try amd do some toning at home as first mentioned which I'm just beginning to introduce weights into to make it more challenging. I also was running 3 miles a couple of times a week but had to give this up when I got shin splints a couple of weeks back. I want to keep the cardio as my overall fitness is important to me, but I will concentrate a more on the strength side of things.

    I'll definitely look at all these websites and at the calculator.

    So I should up my calories a little but not eat my exercise calories back?
    I'll also look into upping my protein, and healthy ways of doing this.

    This is going to seem like a really silly question to all of you now, but please bare in mind I'm new to this, I've heard of macros but have no idea what they are, can someone tell me so I don't feel so stupid! :P

    Thanks again everyone your input is appreciated :)
  • ritchiedrama
    ritchiedrama Posts: 1,304 Member
    Thanks very muvh everyone for all the info.

    Yes I am not bothered about bulking up overnight, in fact my main aim is to become fitter and healthier, eat more balanced and nutrivious meals and get in superb shape. My ultimate aim is to have a super toned bod (I would say I'm a bit of the way there, my arms are pretty toned and I'm slim just need to rid a small bit of body fat round the middle lol), but am aware this will be a slow process and that is fine.

    On average I ho to the gym 4 times a week for an hour and do a combination of cardio 80% and strength 20%. I also try amd do some toning at home as first mentioned which I'm just beginning to introduce weights into to make it more challenging. I also was running 3 miles a couple of times a week but had to give this up when I got shin splints a couple of weeks back. I want to keep the cardio as my overall fitness is important to me, but I will concentrate a more on the strength side of things.

    I'll definitely look at all these websites and at the calculator.

    So I should up my calories a little but not eat my exercise calories back?
    I'll also look into upping my protein, and healthy ways of doing this.

    This is going to seem like a really silly question to all of you now, but please bare in mind I'm new to this, I've heard of macros but have no idea what they are, can someone tell me so I don't feel so stupid! :P

    Thanks again everyone your input is appreciated :)

    Macros are protein carbs fat
  • xmel123x
    xmel123x Posts: 63
    And please excuse the spelling mistakes I'm on my phone! :)
  • xmel123x
    xmel123x Posts: 63
    Thanks very muvh everyone for all the info.

    Yes I am not bothered about bulking up overnight, in fact my main aim is to become fitter and healthier, eat more balanced and nutrivious meals and get in superb shape. My ultimate aim is to have a super toned bod (I would say I'm a bit of the way there, my arms are pretty toned and I'm slim just need to rid a small bit of body fat round the middle lol), but am aware this will be a slow process and that is fine.

    On average I ho to the gym 4 times a week for an hour and do a combination of cardio 80% and strength 20%. I also try amd do some toning at home as first mentioned which I'm just beginning to introduce weights into to make it more challenging. I also was running 3 miles a couple of times a week but had to give this up when I got shin splints a couple of weeks back. I want to keep the cardio as my overall fitness is important to me, but I will concentrate a more on the strength side of things.

    I'll definitely look at all these websites and at the calculator.

    So I should up my calories a little but not eat my exercise calories back?
    I'll also look into upping my protein, and healthy ways of doing this.

    This is going to seem like a really silly question to all of you now, but please bare in mind I'm new to this, I've heard of macros but have no idea what they are, can someone tell me so I don't feel so stupid! :P

    Thanks again everyone your input is appreciated :)

    Macros are protein carbs fat

    Ah right thanks! :)
  • Huffdogg
    Huffdogg Posts: 1,934 Member
    The best way to retain muscle when trying to also lose fat is to do high *intensity* strength training. That means doing things that are quite difficult for YOU to do, or what is usually called "lifting heavy."

    Your body is smart. It does what it thinks it needs to do in order to keep you alive. So when you are consistently giving it less calories than it needs to maintain its current condition, it will cannibalize whatever seems wisest in order to provide energy. If you don't send it signals telling it that you need to keep all the muscle you currently possess, it will go after that (because if you are consistently in a deficit it thinks you can't get enough food and initially wants to hold onto fat stores in case you are starving).

    The best way to tell it that you need ALL THE MUSCLE is to perform tasks that are VERY difficult. The general consensus is that heavy compound barbell lifts are the best bang for your buck here, as they work your entire body in a fast and efficient manner.

    So: Ideal would be strength training with weights 3 or so times a week, full body, doing 3-5 sets of whatever weight you can do 4-6 reps of per set. In the absence of that, bodyweight is better than nothing.

    TL;DR--Cut out some cardio, replace with high intensity weight training, and forget "toning" cause it doesn't exist.
  • xmel123x
    xmel123x Posts: 63
    The best way to retain muscle when trying to also lose fat is to do high *intensity* strength training. That means doing things that are quite difficult for YOU to do, or what is usually called "lifting heavy."

    Your body is smart. It does what it thinks it needs to do in order to keep you alive. So when you are consistently giving it less calories than it needs to maintain its current condition, it will cannibalize whatever seems wisest in order to provide energy. If you don't send it signals telling it that you need to keep all the muscle you currently possess, it will go after that (because if you are consistently in a deficit it thinks you can't get enough food and initially wants to hold onto fat stores in case you are starving).

    The best way to tell it that you need ALL THE MUSCLE is to perform tasks that are VERY difficult. The general consensus is that heavy compound barbell lifts are the best bang for your buck here, as they work your entire body in a fast and efficient manner.

    So: Ideal would be strength training with weights 3 or so times a week, full body, doing 3-5 sets of whatever weight you can do 4-6 reps of per set. In the absence of that, bodyweight is better than nothing.

    TL;DR--Cut out some cardio, replace with high intensity weight training, and forget "toning" cause it doesn't exist.

    Thanks, that makes a lot of sense. I guess I was in the mindset that if I have a calorie defecit that body fat should go, but obviously its not as simple as that especially if I want to build muscle.

    Currently I lift for 2 sets of 12, so I need to up my weights and do less reps but more sets.

    At the gym the machines they have and I use are all the arm ones (which also work your back and chest), and the two leg machines that work front and back leg muscles. Are there any muscles I'm missing that I should try and include?
  • onandoff
    onandoff Posts: 122 Member
    So, I see there is no way to avoid a future gym membership...
  • ritchiedrama
    ritchiedrama Posts: 1,304 Member
    The best way to retain muscle when trying to also lose fat is to do high *intensity* strength training. That means doing things that are quite difficult for YOU to do, or what is usually called "lifting heavy."

    Your body is smart. It does what it thinks it needs to do in order to keep you alive. So when you are consistently giving it less calories than it needs to maintain its current condition, it will cannibalize whatever seems wisest in order to provide energy. If you don't send it signals telling it that you need to keep all the muscle you currently possess, it will go after that (because if you are consistently in a deficit it thinks you can't get enough food and initially wants to hold onto fat stores in case you are starving).

    The best way to tell it that you need ALL THE MUSCLE is to perform tasks that are VERY difficult. The general consensus is that heavy compound barbell lifts are the best bang for your buck here, as they work your entire body in a fast and efficient manner.

    So: Ideal would be strength training with weights 3 or so times a week, full body, doing 3-5 sets of whatever weight you can do 4-6 reps of per set. In the absence of that, bodyweight is better than nothing.

    TL;DR--Cut out some cardio, replace with high intensity weight training, and forget "toning" cause it doesn't exist.

    Thanks, that makes a lot of sense. I guess I was in the mindset that if I have a calorie defecit that body fat should go, but obviously its not as simple as that especially if I want to build muscle.

    Currently I lift for 2 sets of 12, so I need to up my weights and do less reps but more sets.

    At the gym the machines they have and I use are all the arm ones (which also work your back and chest), and the two leg machines that work front and back leg muscles. Are there any muscles I'm missing that I should try and include?

    You should focus on Barbell Training and a few basic exercises..

    Bench Press, Deadlift, Squat, Chin ups/Pull ups, Over head press

    http://stronglifts.com/stronglifts-5x5-beginner-strength-training-program/

    something like this.
  • Huffdogg
    Huffdogg Posts: 1,934 Member
    So, I see there is no way to avoid a future gym membership...

    Sure there is. I train barbell compounds at home. The stuff you need to get started isn't much different than a 1 year gym membership most places and it's safe, you can use it whenever you want, and it's yours forever.
  • Huffdogg
    Huffdogg Posts: 1,934 Member
    You should focus on Barbell Training and a few basic exercises..

    Bench Press, Deadlift, Squat, Chin ups/Pull ups, Over head press

    http://stronglifts.com/stronglifts-5x5-beginner-strength-training-program/

    something like this.

    Yeah I'd stop concentrating so much on arms and start thinking about large muscles. All the leg muscles, including glutes, back, core, and the shoulder complex. Compound barbell lifts will get all of those, but be certain that you study up on them or get a trainer to give you a demo. Personally I prefer Starting Strength over Stronglifts but that's another TL;DR conversation.

    If you still find barbells too intimidating, look up and work on dumbbell variations of bench press and overhead press to start, plus chin up/pull ups (assisted if you need to to start; most gyms have that setup), dumbbell rows, walking lunges and goblet squats, glute-ham raises, and weighted hyperextensions. Quick youtube searches will reveal a wealth of info on all of those.

    Barbells are king tho.
  • xmel123x
    xmel123x Posts: 63
    You should focus on Barbell Training and a few basic exercises..

    Bench Press, Deadlift, Squat, Chin ups/Pull ups, Over head press

    http://stronglifts.com/stronglifts-5x5-beginner-strength-training-program/

    something like this.

    Yeah I'd stop concentrating so much on arms and start thinking about large muscles. All the leg muscles, including glutes, back, core, and the shoulder complex. Compound barbell lifts will get all of those, but be certain that you study up on them or get a trainer to give you a demo. Personally I prefer Starting Strength over Stronglifts but that's another TL;DR conversation.

    If you still find barbells too intimidating, look up and work on dumbbell variations of bench press and overhead press to start, plus chin up/pull ups (assisted if you need to to start; most gyms have that setup), dumbbell rows, walking lunges and goblet squats, glute-ham raises, and weighted hyperextensions. Quick youtube searches will reveal a wealth of info on all of those.

    Barbells are king tho.


    Hahahaha it's like you are talking a foreign language.... youtube here I come! ;)
  • rybo
    rybo Posts: 5,424 Member
    So, I see there is no way to avoid a future gym membership...

    False. People underestimate body weight training. While solid basic movements with barbells or dumbells is an excellent way, it is certainly not the only way.
  • onandoff
    onandoff Posts: 122 Member
    So, I see there is no way to avoid a future gym membership...

    False. People underestimate body weight training. While solid basic movements with barbells or dumbells is an excellent way, it is certainly not the only way.

    Interesting... I wanna know more.
  • teachmom32
    teachmom32 Posts: 183 Member
    See my earlier post on this thread about You Are Your Own Gym for more information on body weight exercises.
  • Huffdogg
    Huffdogg Posts: 1,934 Member
    So, I see there is no way to avoid a future gym membership...

    False. People underestimate body weight training. While solid basic movements with barbells or dumbells is an excellent way, it is certainly not the only way.

    Like I said before, it depends on your goals and your current abilities.
  • xmel123x
    xmel123x Posts: 63
    I don't particularly want to loose weight, however I do want to loose some body fat that I'm carrying on my tummy, bum, thighs and hips. There isn't loads of it, but it's still there. I also want to get super toned, not particularly 'muscley', but very fit and very toned.
    I was eating a small calorie defecit to lpose the body fat (along with cardio and strength) but want to build a bit of muscle at the same time! :)

    Don't worry about getting super muscley. You do not have the testosterone required to build massive muscles. I don't even have the testosterone required to build massive muscles :p.
    Eat at maintenance and lift weights. Your body will recomposition (fat - muscle) itself over time.

    Ah right ok, so if I work out enough (and eat at maintenance) my body fat should eventually become muscle?
    I thought I'd need to loose the body fat so that you could see the toned muscles that are hidden underneath (can you tell this is all new to me, I've exervised for a while but never really thought any more into it).

    So should I up my protein? I'm currently trying to keep at what MFP has set me at (50 something I think), should it be more (I weigh about 125lbs).

    Also my current calorie net total goal is 1500, is this about right? I do work a part time office job of about 15-20 hours a week, however I'm an extremely busy person and the rest of my time 7am - 9pm most days is spent on my feet rushing around, usual motherly/household/garden duties plus loads of animals and dogs to walk etc (I don't count any of this as exercise as I do it every day). I was estimating this was about right for a 10% deficit, what does everyone else think? Also sometimes I eat under my net calories sometimes up to 400 under, should I not do this?

    When I started this I never thought it would be so complicated!! :P

    Yes, if you are eating at maintenance and lifting than your body will use fat cells for energy and you will see more muscle definition. This is a slow process, but it's worth it.
    You probably need a little bit more food. My wife is 120 and eats around 1800 for maintenance.
    http://iifym.com/iifym-calculator/
    This can tell you a little bit better.
    I can say that you probably do need to up your protein a a bit. That calculator will tell you exactly, but I'd say around 100g should be adequate.
    Don't eat your exercise calories back if you use the calculator.

    Just used the calculator and was surprised at how high my TDEE is, was also surprised what little difference my workouts make to it, if I include my workouts my TDEE is 2287, if I don't it's 2176, both a lot higher than I was estimating!

    Now I'm just debating this, as when I get chance to work out varies massively week to week, some weeks I could do 7 - 8 hours, other weeks I might only get in 3. Should I go on my TDEE based on including workouts (averaged) or should I go on my TDEE not including workouts (and if I do this option should I eat back my exercise calories...?). Ah just to confuse me some more... ;)

    Either way my protein, fat and fiber stay the same, it is just carbs and calories that slightly differ.
  • scottaworley
    scottaworley Posts: 871 Member
    Just used the calculator and was surprised at how high my TDEE is, was also surprised what little difference my workouts make to it, if I include my workouts my TDEE is 2287, if I don't it's 2176, both a lot higher than I was estimating!

    Now I'm just debating this, as when I get chance to work out varies massively week to week, some weeks I could do 7 - 8 hours, other weeks I might only get in 3. Should I go on my TDEE based on including workouts (averaged) or should I go on my TDEE not including workouts (and if I do this option should I eat back my exercise calories...?). Ah just to confuse me some more... ;)

    Either way my protein, fat and fiber stay the same, it is just carbs and calories that slightly differ.

    I would average the two. I'm not a big fan of eating back exercise calories. Your protein, fat, and fiber will always be constant. Just adjust the carbs for more/less calories, and remember you can really always go over on protein, fat, or fiber as long as you take the calories from carbs.
    If you're going to be jumping 1000 or so calories I would not do that all at once. I would tape about 100 calories per week until you reach your TDEE. Also remember to recalculate your TDEE if you end up losing or gaining 5 pounds.
  • xmel123x
    xmel123x Posts: 63
    Yeah I was thinking of averaging the two so glad you said that! I'm working on the 15% deficit which gives me (from the lowest of the two results) 1850, I really struggled to eat the calories today, in fact I was still about 350 off and I really tried. It seems like ao much I'm worried of putting weight back on! So think I will definitely have to build them up slowly.

    How important is it to eat your WHOLE calorie alowance?
  • scottaworley
    scottaworley Posts: 871 Member
    If you're trying to maintain it is critically important. I would even eat a little over to help build muscle.
  • So, I see there is no way to avoid a future gym membership...

    False. People underestimate body weight training. While solid basic movements with barbells or dumbells is an excellent way, it is certainly not the only way.

    Interesting... I wanna know more.

    An extreme example for sure, but you asked for it.

    http://youtu.be/-d0MNi0Zehk

    Your imagination is the limit with bodyweight stuff. Definitely not as common as weight training, but you can become strong as hell with body weight type movements. It's all about using momentum, time under load, and high volume workouts.
  • onandoff
    onandoff Posts: 122 Member
    So, I see there is no way to avoid a future gym membership...

    False. People underestimate body weight training. While solid basic movements with barbells or dumbells is an excellent way, it is certainly not the only way.

    Interesting... I wanna know more.

    An extreme example for sure, but you asked for it.

    http://youtu.be/-d0MNi0Zehk

    Your imagination is the limit with bodyweight stuff. Definitely not as common as weight training, but you can become strong as hell with body weight type movements. It's all about using momentum, time under load, and high volume workouts.
    That was crazy. But they do get 10 points out of 10 for imagination.
    The jumps/pushups on the wrists looked dangerous though...