Are GMOs Safe?
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Oh boy. Somebody pass the popcorn (GMO free only of course) while I sit back and watch the firestorm. In for the hysteria...0
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Worry more about Monsanto.... they are far more dangerous than any GMO on its own!0
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Worry more about Monsanto.... they are far more dangerous than any GMO on its own!
Didn't take long for the tinfoil hats to come out0 -
no one knows. end of story.0
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I'm in.
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Oh snap. My work productivity may have dropped in anticipation of this lovely thread.0
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GMO = Get More Oreos
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When you say "GM Food", people's brains go to **** like splicing genes from bioluminescent fish on to corn to get glow in the dark corn that you can harvest at night or blah blah ..
But the fact of the matter is .. nearly everything we eat (animal AND Vegetable) has been genetically modified through hybridization and selective breeding.
Let's face it: Broccoli is just selectively bred Cabbage.
Pluots are my current favorite hybrid food.0 -
So I checked, and the site acg linked to is not unbiased, and is actually an organization designed to dispel 'myths' about GMOs
http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/mission/
Peggy G. Lemaux (one of their main food-related advisors) "is founder and editor of KnowsGMOs, a science based information and resource guide. Her research efforts focus on the use of genomic technologies to understand, manipulate and improve cereal crops, such as wheat, barley, rice and sorghum."
Unfortunately, this pretty image gives us no new information, and simply cherry picks quotes to support acg's argument. Yall have fun flaming and entertaining yourselves, but I'm done here. :laugh:0 -
So I checked, and the site acg linked to is not unbiased, and is actually an organization designed to dispel 'myths' about GMOs
http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/mission/
Peggy G. Lemaux (one of their main food-related advisors) "is founder and editor of KnowsGMOs, a science based information and resource guide. Her research efforts focus on the use of genomic technologies to understand, manipulate and improve cereal crops, such as wheat, barley, rice and sorghum."
Unfortunately, this pretty image gives us no new information, and simply cherry picks quotes to support acg's argument. Yall have fun flaming and entertaining yourselves, but I'm done here. :laugh:
I stated no position on the subject, so not sure how anything is cherry picked to support it.
And a science based resource guide? oh the horrors, better use a fantasy based resource like most anti GMO literature0 -
aflatoxin in corn is a HUGE deal worldwide...0
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People have ridiculously simple views of things. "Genetically modified" or "GMO" is treated like it's some industrial process that adds a certain chemical to a crop, or changes it in a specific way.
GMO is an umbrella term for any of an infinite number of ways to change the genes of an organism.
What matters is the specific way the organism is altered. A crop that is genetically altered to make it grow a little faster or bigger is probably fine. A crop that is genetically altered so it's full of arsenic is probably not fine.0 -
I did a paper on GMO's at university recently, there is a lot to say for either side, it's really not easy to answer. I am in favor of the research and development to see what's possible, if you search "golden rice" you'll find a product developed with good intentions that may be really helpful to a lot of malnourished people, but you never know what side effects could potentially occur. That is where it all becomes a bit of a what if situation.0
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So I checked, and the site acg linked to is not unbiased, and is actually an organization designed to dispel 'myths' about GMOs
http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/mission/
Peggy G. Lemaux (one of their main food-related advisors) "is founder and editor of KnowsGMOs, a science based information and resource guide. Her research efforts focus on the use of genomic technologies to understand, manipulate and improve cereal crops, such as wheat, barley, rice and sorghum."
Unfortunately, this pretty image gives us no new information, and simply cherry picks quotes to support acg's argument. Yall have fun flaming and entertaining yourselves, but I'm done here. :laugh:
I doubt anyone can find a truly unbiased look at this subject scientific or otherwise
I stated no position on the subject, so not sure how anything is cherry picked to support it.
And a science based resource guide? oh the horrors, better use a fantasy based resource like most anti GMO literature0 -
GMO = Get More Oreos
Totally safe
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no one knows. end of story.
I agree with this.0 -
hold on, I think its possible to make a tinfoil hat out of jiffy-pop
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I think the jury is out on the final answer to your question. Most of the quotes provided in the picture basically say people have been eating GMOs for years (nice lab rats that we are) and we don't see anything bad happening yet -- therefore it must be ok.
Of course we also need to watch the money because it is interesting where a lot of the funding comes from for these studies which find no problems with GMOs. There is also a terrific amount of money spent trying to prevent the labeling of GMO foods -- labels aren't really needed basically anything with corn or soy or any of their derivatives that isn't organic can be presumed to have one or more ingredient that is a GMO. Label the stuff that is GMO free -- it is a much shorter list. I also think its interesting that all of the reasons given for GMOs necessity (hearty crops, resistant to certain things destructive to crops, easier use of pesticides) really haven't proven to hold true in the long term. Essentially I have not see any confirmed studies which can point to great benefits from the use of GMOs-- except for the money generated by the patent holders.
I don't want pesticides on my food.
I don't want growth hormones injected into the foods I eat.
I don't want someone splicing the genes of food with the genes of bacteria or anything else to make them resistant to anything.
I don't think we have all the answers yet and I would prefer to hedge all my bets as much as I can as often as I can. The first generation raised on mostly GMOs are just graduating from high school -- lets give it a little more time before we declare the long term effects of consumption safe.
I don't demand that anyone else refrain from eating GMOs. I don't demand that they cease production. I really don't care what anyone else eats (except for my children) -- I never bring it up. I eat organic foods. If you don't think there is any difference eat whatever you chose to eat. I would never try to convince someone to eat something they didn't want to eat. If all of us organic buying people are just fools who like to waste our money -- what is it to anyone else?0 -
I think the jury is out on the final answer to your question. Most of the quotes provided in the picture basically say people have been eating GMOs for years (nice lab rats that we are) and we don't see anything bad happening yet -- therefore it must be ok.
Of course we also need to watch the money because it is interesting where a lot of the funding comes from for these studies which find no problems with GMOs. There is also a terrific amount of money spent trying to prevent the labeling of GMO foods -- labels aren't really needed basically anything with corn or soy or any of their derivatives that isn't organic can be presumed to have one or more ingredient that is a GMO. Label the stuff that is GMO free -- it is a much shorter list. I also think its interesting that all of the reasons given for GMOs necessity (hearty crops, resistant to certain things destructive to crops, easier use of pesticides) really haven't proven to hold true in the long term. Essentially I have not see any confirmed studies which can point to great benefits from the use of GMOs-- except for the money generated by the patent holders.
I don't want pesticides on my food.
I don't want growth hormones injected into the foods I eat.
I don't want someone splicing the genes of food with the genes of bacteria or anything else to make them resistant to anything.
I don't think we have all the answers yet and I would prefer to hedge all my bets as much as I can as often as I can. The first generation raised on mostly GMOs are just graduating from high school -- lets give it a little more time before we declare the long term effects of consumption safe.
I don't demand that anyone else refrain from eating GMOs. I don't demand that they cease production. I really don't care what anyone else eats (except for my children) -- I never bring it up. I eat organic foods. If you don't think there is any difference eat whatever you chose to eat. I would never try to convince someone to eat something they didn't want to eat. If all of us organic buying people are just fools who like to waste our money -- what is it to anyone else?
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People have ridiculously simple views of things. "Genetically modified" or "GMO" is treated like it's some industrial process that adds a certain chemical to a crop, or changes it in a specific way.
GMO is an umbrella term for any of an infinite number of ways to change the genes of an organism.
What matters is the specific way the organism is altered. A crop that is genetically altered to make it grow a little faster or bigger is probably fine. A crop that is genetically altered so it's full of arsenic is probably not fine.
QFT.
What I find funny is that no one rants over all the more traditionally cross-bred foods. As if regular old recombination could never, ever result in something harmful. Wonder how all those toxic plants developed over the years without Monsanto's help.0 -
People have ridiculously simple views of things. "Genetically modified" or "GMO" is treated like it's some industrial process that adds a certain chemical to a crop, or changes it in a specific way.
GMO is an umbrella term for any of an infinite number of ways to change the genes of an organism.
What matters is the specific way the organism is altered. A crop that is genetically altered to make it grow a little faster or bigger is probably fine. A crop that is genetically altered so it's full of arsenic is probably not fine.
QFT.
What I find funny is that no one rants over all the more traditionally cross-bred foods. As if regular old recombination could never, ever result in something harmful. Wonder how all those toxic plants developed over the years without Monsanto's help.
such as?
has hybridization created toxic peas I haven't heard about?0 -
Worry more about Monsanto.... they are far more dangerous than any GMO on its own!
Didn't take long for the tinfoil hats to come out
Actually, I'm going to agree with this. GMOs aren't dangerous, but Monsanto are kind of ****s.0 -
Worry more about Monsanto.... they are far more dangerous than any GMO on its own!
Didn't take long for the tinfoil hats to come out
Actually, I'm going to agree with this. GMOs aren't dangerous, but Monsanto are kind of ****s.
based on what long-term studies?0 -
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Worry more about Monsanto.... they are far more dangerous than any GMO on its own!
Didn't take long for the tinfoil hats to come out
Actually, I'm going to agree with this. GMOs aren't dangerous, but Monsanto are kind of ****s.
based on what long-term studies?
This contains links to 600 studies, many conducted over a decade:
http://gmopundit.blogspot.com/p/450-published-safety-assessments.html#!/p/450-published-safety-assessments.html
http://rameznaam.com/2013/04/28/the-evidence-on-gmo-safety/
Contains many good links to sources ^^
"A Scientific Consensus
All together, the scientific consensus around the safety of genetically modified foods is as strong as the scientific consensus around climate change. These foods have been studied more than any other, and everything tells us that they’re safe."
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10977&page=R6
A decade of EU funded studies:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7hhP5QasNtsX1AwV2YzNnlrZTA/edit?usp=drive_web&pli=10 -
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69 Cao, Sishuo ; Wentao Xu, YunBo Luo, Xiaoyun He, Yanfang Yuan, Wenjun Ran, Lixing Lianga and Kunlun Huang.Metabonomics study of transgenic Bacillus thuringiensis rice (T2A-1) meal in a 90-day dietary toxicity study in rats. Mol. BioSyst., 2011, DOI: 10.1039/C1MB05076A (May 19, 2011)
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71 Castillo, A.R., M.R. Gallardo, M. Maciel, J. M. Giordano, G.A.Conti, M.C. Gaggiotti, O. Quaino, C. Gianni, and G.F. Hartnell. 2004. Effects of feeding rations with genetically modified whole cottonseed to lactating dairy cows. J. Dairy Sci. 87:1778-1785.
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74 Catchpole, Gareth S; Beckmann, Manfred; Enot, David P; Mondhe, Madhav; Zywicki, Britta; Taylor, Janet; Hardy, Nigel; Smith, Aileen; King, Ross D; Kell, Douglas B; Fiehn, Oliver; Draper, John, 2005, Hierarchical metabolomics demonstrates substantial compositional similarity between genetically modified and conventional potato crops., PNAS, 102(40):14458-62
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75 Cattaneo, Manda G; Yafuso, Christine; Schmidt, Chris; Huang, Cho-ying; Rahman, Magfurar; Olson, Carl; Ellers-Kirk, Christa; Orr, Barron J; Marsh, Stuart E; Antilla, Larry; Dutilleul, Pierre; Carrière, Yves, 2006, Farm-scale evaluation of the impacts of transgenic cotton on biodiversity, pesticide use, and yield., PNAS, 103(20):7571-6
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76 Chainark, P., S. Satoh, I. Hirono, T. Aoki, and M. Endo. 2008. Availability of genetically modified feed ingredient: investigations of ingested foreign DNA in rainbow trout Oncorhynchus mykiss. Fisheries science 74:380-390.
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77 Chainark, P., S. Satoh, T. Hino, V. Kiron, I. Hirono, and T. Aoki. 2006. Availability of genetically modified soybean meal in rainbow trout Oncorhynchus mykiss diets. Fisheries Science 72:1072-1078.
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78 Chambers, Philip A; Duggan, Paula S; Heritage, John; Forbes, J Michael, 2002, The fate of antibiotic resistance marker genes in transgenic plant feed material fed to chickens., Journal of Antimicrobial Chemotherapy, 49(1):161-4
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86 Chen, Zhang-Liang; Gu, Hongya; Li, Yi; Su, Yilan; Wu, Ping; Jiang, Zhicheng; Ming, Xiaotian; Tian, Jinhua; Pan, Naisui; Qu, Li-Jia, 2003, Safety assessment for genetically modified sweet pepper and tomato., Toxicology, 188:297-307
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Yes Genetically Modified Organism's are safe. If it wasn't for GMO's we would run out of food. My husband is a third generation farmer and I have asked him about what GMO's are. It's a seed that has been altered with a weed to help it grow and survive in different types of climates. The weeds, such as a mustard seed, is put in the corn seed. That's just an example of what a GMO is. So please don't be afraid of hearing GMO. As for Monsanto, they are just a company that produce's the seeds and they are not the only ones. My husband said he doesn't like or dislike them. Hope this is helpful.0
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Yes Genetically Modified Organism's are safe. If it wasn't for GMO's we would run out of food. My husband is a third generation farmer and I have asked him about what GMO's are. It's a seed that has been altered with a weed to help it grow and survive in different types of climates. The weeds, such as a mustard seed, is put in the corn seed. That's just an example of what a GMO is. So please don't be afraid of hearing GMO. As for Monsanto, they are just a company that produce's the seeds and they are not the only ones. My husband said he doesn't like or dislike them. Hope this is helpful.
Interesting. I take it your husband did not participate in this survey.
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It's official: Monsanto Company (NYSE:MON) has been deemed the "most evil corporation" of 2013 in a new poll that has the biotech giant beating out rivals like McDonald's and the Federal Reserve by a wide margin.
http://www.ibtimes.com/monsanto-named-2013s-most-evil-corporation-new-poll-13002170
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