How bad is sugar?
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"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Mahatma Gandhi
Yeah. Keep trying to "beat" hundreds of regular posters here who know you're wrong.
Too much sugar is bad. Too many bananas are bad. Too many beers are bad. Too much running is bad. Too much sleep is bad.
Do you get where we're coming from?0 -
So you are suggesting there is a gang of regulars who when they don't like what a new poster is posting they gang up on them?0
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So you are suggesting there is a gang of regulars who when they don't like what a new poster is posting they gang up on them?
We're suggesting that there are regular here who have read, researched and studied via PEER -Reviewed research (not some magazine trying to push the latest fad and the commercials connected with it) and have learned what to believe in and what not to.
Many of us in the start used to believe in these hypes. I was one of them who believed in "clean eating". Not anymore. i used to think I need to stay away from sugar (though never fruits. I always knew fruits were awesome!) but now I eat about 10-20% of my calories from ice cream on a daily basis and you can see my ticket, lost 55 lbs and still going.
Please, give research a chance and the regulars a chance. They're actually trying to help you by teaching you to learn from proper research.0 -
As my mom always says: a little of everything in moderation ain't going to kill ya. However, I also steer clear of refined sugars. The only ones I consume are from fruit. Oh, and maple syrup.0
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"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Mahatma Gandhi
Why are you posting quotes? Do you think that lends more credibility to your other posts?0 -
So you are suggesting there is a gang of regulars who when they don't like what a new poster is posting they gang up on them?
No. They are disagreeing with you, because research has shown that you are perpetuating a fear-mongering myth. There are many people on this site who lurk without posting, and part of why many people make a point of expressing their disagreement is so these lurkers don't just blindly believe you.
You seem to be completely convinced that your posts contain facts, and that is fine. No one will be able to change your mind, and I don't think anyone is actually trying. They are disproving you for the others.0 -
So you are suggesting there is a gang of regulars who when they don't like what a new poster is posting they gang up on them?
We're suggesting that there are regular here who have read, researched and studied via PEER -Reviewed research (not some magazine trying to push the latest fad and the commercials connected with it) and have learned what to believe in and what not to.
Many of us in the start used to believe in these hypes. I was one of them who believed in "clean eating". Not anymore. i used to think I need to stay away from sugar (though never fruits. I always knew fruits were awesome!) but now I eat about 10-20% of my calories from ice cream on a daily basis and you can see my ticket, lost 55 lbs and still going.
Please, give research a chance and the regulars a chance. They're actually trying to help you by teaching you to learn from proper research.
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How about this part of the WHO {World Health Organizations} reportThe industry does not accept the WHO report's conclusion that sweetened soft drinks contribute to the obesity pandemic. The Washington-based National Soft Drink Association said the report's "recommendation on added sugars is too restrictive". The association backs a 25% limit.
The WHO strongly rejects the sugar lobby's criticisms. An official said a team of 30 independent experts had considered the scientific evidence and its conclusions were in line with the findings of 23 national reports which have, on average, set targets of 10% for added sugars.
In the letter to Mr Thompson, the sugar lobby relies heavily on a recent report from the Institute of Medicine for its claim that a 25% sugar intake is acceptable. But last week, Harvey Fineberg, president of the institute, wrote to Mr Thompson to warn that the report was being misinterpreted. He says it does not make a recommendation on sugar intake.
Why did you requote? It still does not make it anymore relevant.0 -
OP: your thread seems to be the victim of a certain posters crusade to post terrible articles and irrelevant quotes.0
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I don't worry about the sugar in whole fruits. The fiber they contain mostly mitigates any issues that would be caused by fruit sugar consumption. I do limit my processed foods and refined sugars, though. I don't ever drink liquid sugar (soda, juice, etc.) I consider that a waste of calories. Sugar intake doesn't impact my weight at all. It's overall calorie intake that matters. Avoiding refined sugar is more of a health thing for me. I feel better without it. I get grumpy, tired, and excessively hungry when I consume a lot of sugar. :flowerforyou:0
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I looked at Minnie's diary...she eated a cookie!!1110!111!0
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I looked at Minnie's diary...she eated a cookie!!1110!111!
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Real Bad, It causes your insulin levels to spike, spikes in blood sugar often come with a crash an hour or 2 later which leads to hunger pangs and a tendency to eat more. This leads to a vicious cycle of overeating and weight gain, and eventually can lead to diabetes.
Lets disregard One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest here. Op I have list 60 pounds all while eating sugar & drinking soda. My last physical I was 100% healthy.
*this message paid for by the Sugar Assosiation*0 -
Sooooooooooooooo if we agree you Minnie it's all good, but if we do not we are some sort of bully collective that cannot possibly think for ourselves and have an opinion?0
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Thank you all for your input. I won't worry too much about the sugars I consume from fruit.0
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Thank you all for your input. I won't worry too much about the sugars I consume from fruit.
I'm glad you learned good enough lesson from the debate here.0 -
Funny, how much sugar yo eat isn't even mentioned here! http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/insulinresistance/#steps
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Read Good Calories Bad Calories for starts and come to your own conclusion. My mother came down with adult onset diabetes followed by vascular dementia. she's now institutionalized and me and my dad see her as often as we can. so I don't use sugar. I'm a strict low carber and feel better for it. for me, it's poison. but do the reading (yes read the entire book, footnotes and all) and come to a conclusion yourself.
Sorry to hear this happened to your mom0 -
I have been losing weight just fine, and I usually have about double the amount of sugar I am alotted. I focus mostly on the number of calories I am consuming, and ensure that I am intaking a lot of protein and now I'm working on making sure I'm getting more fiber.0
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What are your goals? Are you meeting them? How do you feel? Are you hungry or satisfied after your smoothie? If it is working for you, why bother changing it. If is isn't, you may need to look at that, as well as what you are eating overall and how much.
Personally, I try to limit my sugar intake. Eating refined carbohydrates makes me HUNGRY. Not everyone reacts to carbs as I do. I am the living personification of the adage about Chinese food: eat it and your hungry again in an hour. I am a firm believer in the glycemic index.
My goal is to get down to 125/130 range. In June I was 154 lbs. I stated excercising but only took it seriously once I got my Polar FT7 watch and started using MFP app in July. So since June I have lost 13 lbs but I have not lost anything since Aug 13th and I am getting frustrated.0 -
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How bad is sugar? :laugh:
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What are your goals? Are you meeting them? How do you feel? Are you hungry or satisfied after your smoothie? If it is working for you, why bother changing it. If is isn't, you may need to look at that, as well as what you are eating overall and how much.
Personally, I try to limit my sugar intake. Eating refined carbohydrates makes me HUNGRY. Not everyone reacts to carbs as I do. I am the living personification of the adage about Chinese food: eat it and your hungry again in an hour. I am a firm believer in the glycemic index.
My goal is to get down to 125/130 range. In June I was 154 lbs. I stated excercising but only took it seriously once I got my Polar FT7 watch and started using MFP app in July. So since June I have lost 13 lbs but I have not lost anything since Aug 13th and I am getting frustrated.
Seems like a short period of time. Are you taking measurements other than the scale? Tape measure? Body fat? I have lost 2 pounds in 3 months but am down two full clothing sizes and am wearing shorts in public again. Be patient.0 -
OP: your thread seems to be the victim of a certain posters crusade to post terrible articles and irrelevant quotes.
I agree. I posted this question because I really am worried about sugar. I don't add refined sugar to any of my meals...even the plain rice cereal I eat on occasion. I don't eat syrup because of the high fructose corn syrup. i eat the greek yogurt with fruit on the bottom but just the yogurt part on top and toss out the rest. My main concern was with sugars from fruit. People say eat fruit and veggies cause it's good for you (and of course most agree). So I started making this one smoothie and I was like holy s*** look at all this sugar! Like some posted on here, the mfp app doesn't distingush beween natural sugars like those found in fruits and those refined ones we find in processed foods. So I started to worry that maybe I shouldn't be eating that banana because of the sugar content. But I will let this worry of mine die because the health benefits from the banana most likely come out ahead than my worry over consuming the amount of sugar that's in it.0 -
What are your goals? Are you meeting them? How do you feel? Are you hungry or satisfied after your smoothie? If it is working for you, why bother changing it. If is isn't, you may need to look at that, as well as what you are eating overall and how much.
Personally, I try to limit my sugar intake. Eating refined carbohydrates makes me HUNGRY. Not everyone reacts to carbs as I do. I am the living personification of the adage about Chinese food: eat it and your hungry again in an hour. I am a firm believer in the glycemic index.
My goal is to get down to 125/130 range. In June I was 154 lbs. I stated excercising but only took it seriously once I got my Polar FT7 watch and started using MFP app in July. So since June I have lost 13 lbs but I have not lost anything since Aug 13th and I am getting frustrated.
Seems like a short period of time. Are you taking measurements other than the scale? Tape measure? Body fat? I have lost 2 pounds in 3 months but am down two full clothing sizes and am wearing shorts in public again. Be patient.
I am def getting more toned and my clothes are looser but the scale isn't budging. I do cardio and strength training several times a week between 60-70min. Yesterday and today I only did 30 min.0 -
KEEP IN MIND FRESH FRUIT /SMOOTHIES WITH REAL FRUIT DOES NOT SPIKE YOUR BLOOD SUGAR LEVELS. I SAID DOES NOT DIABETES 11 WAS AN OLDER PERSONS DISEASE NOW IT IS OCCURING IN KIDS!!! Sugar is to blame. You want diabetes keep eating sugar, keep feeding it to your family.
Then why does my brother eat an apple when his blood sugar is low (which every doctor every recommends a diabetic do)? He is Type II diabetic. The Pancreas inability to produce insulin is to blame, not sugar. He did not develop diabetes due to bad eating habits. If that were true, I would be diabetic too since we share genetics AND environment. Your argument is invalid.0 -
What are your goals? Are you meeting them? How do you feel? Are you hungry or satisfied after your smoothie? If it is working for you, why bother changing it. If is isn't, you may need to look at that, as well as what you are eating overall and how much.
Personally, I try to limit my sugar intake. Eating refined carbohydrates makes me HUNGRY. Not everyone reacts to carbs as I do. I am the living personification of the adage about Chinese food: eat it and your hungry again in an hour. I am a firm believer in the glycemic index.
My goal is to get down to 125/130 range. In June I was 154 lbs. I stated excercising but only took it seriously once I got my Polar FT7 watch and started using MFP app in July. So since June I have lost 13 lbs but I have not lost anything since Aug 13th and I am getting frustrated.
Seems like a short period of time. Are you taking measurements other than the scale? Tape measure? Body fat? I have lost 2 pounds in 3 months but am down two full clothing sizes and am wearing shorts in public again. Be patient.
I am def getting more toned and my clothes are looser but the scale isn't budging. I do cardio and strength training several times a week between 60-70min. Yesterday and today I only did 30 min.
If you take more measurements, you see more results, which helps you maintain over the long haul. My scale has not budged, but my thighs are like tree trunks, the cellulite is disappearing, and I have muscles popping up in unexpected places. Enjoy each small victory and don't stress about the sugar.0 -
OP: your thread seems to be the victim of a certain posters crusade to post terrible articles and irrelevant quotes.
I agree. I posted this question because I really am worried about sugar. I don't add refined sugar to any of my meals...even the plain rice cereal I eat on occasion. I don't eat syrup because of the high fructose corn syrup. i eat the greek yogurt with fruit on the bottom but just the yogurt part on top and toss out the rest. My main concern was with sugars from fruit. People say eat fruit and veggies cause it's good for you (and of course most agree). So I started making this one smoothie and I was like holy s*** look at all this sugar! Like some posted on here, the mfp app doesn't distingush beween natural sugars like those found in fruits and those refined ones we find in processed foods. So I started to worry that maybe I shouldn't be eating that banana because of the sugar content. But I will let this worry of mine die because the health benefits from the banana most likely come out ahead than my worry over consuming the amount of sugar that's in it.
I'm sure it has been said already but allow me to say it again
1) sugar is sugar. What you get WITH the sugar is what will matter. With fruit sugar, you get fiber, vitamins and other nutrients that're very good for your overall health. Meaning its good for you overall. With sugar from junk food like ice cream, you get to calm your taste buds, something that is important for your mental health and overall keeps you on track with your fitness. Most people try to keep a balance of both. You will often hear people say that they keep 10-20% of their overall calories for junkfood. Thats where the ice cream etc. come in.
2) As long as you don't have a medical condition, don't worry about tracking sugar. However, know that in general, goods with high amount of sugar (banana, ice cream, a kiss from Kate Beckinsale) are also high in calories (well, maybe not Kate Beckinsale). So keep it in moderation.0 -
OP: your thread seems to be the victim of a certain posters crusade to post terrible articles and irrelevant quotes.
I agree. I posted this question because I really am worried about sugar. I don't add refined sugar to any of my meals...even the plain rice cereal I eat on occasion. I don't eat syrup because of the high fructose corn syrup. i eat the greek yogurt with fruit on the bottom but just the yogurt part on top and toss out the rest. My main concern was with sugars from fruit. People say eat fruit and veggies cause it's good for you (and of course most agree). So I started making this one smoothie and I was like holy s*** look at all this sugar! Like some posted on here, the mfp app doesn't distingush beween natural sugars like those found in fruits and those refined ones we find in processed foods. So I started to worry that maybe I shouldn't be eating that banana because of the sugar content. But I will let this worry of mine die because the health benefits from the banana most likely come out ahead than my worry over consuming the amount of sugar that's in it.
To try to put your mind at rest. The sugar limit in MFP is a bit misleading.
I cannot recall which organization set it off the top of my head, but the number comes from a mis-understood concept. Basically, an assessment was done on the amount of discretionary calories an average person could have. Discretionary calories = non nutrient dense ('play' calories), which I believe was about 20%, of which half would assume to come from sugar (a totally arbitrary number).
This is actually in line with the post our helpful Minnie made
"The WHO strongly rejects the sugar lobby's criticisms. An official said a team of 30 independent experts had considered the scientific evidence and its conclusions were in line with the findings of 23 national reports which have, on average, set targets of 10% for added sugars. "
Even using the flawed logic, on a 2,000 calories diet, 10% can come from added sugar which = 200 calories which = 50g.
So, the number is arbitrary, has no basis (there is no RDA for sugar) and in any event relates to added sugar (i.e. that not from foods that also contain micronutrients and/or other macros).0 -
OP- I panicked about sugar too. I went into the red pretty much every day. However, it was usually (but not always) fruit pushing the numbers up. So i've decided not to worry about sugar from fruit, but to be more aware of sugars from unhealthier options (such as delicious cake and ice cream). So far so good.
FWIW our bodies and brains need a certain amount of sugar and fats to work properly. The forms in which you consume these are entirely your choice. I prefer to get the majority of these necessary dietary needs from clean sources (ie fruit, avocado, olive oil, etc) and like to think that i choose to have cake and lard only occasionally.0
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