Why you gain weight if you eat more than your cut
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I'm very grateful for this post.
What I'm not clear on is why stepping up slowly to maintenance after reaching your goal avoids this pitfall. Won't you gain the weight back when your glycogen stores get back to normal, regardless of how slowly that happens?
It's great to know ahead of time to expect about a 5 lb weight gain upon starting maintenance.
Also great to have an explanation of why I lost so much that first week. Also why I gained so fast after a couple of high calorie days.0 -
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Thanks! Great post x0
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Thanks for explaining this so well, will direct everyone freaking out about sudden weight gain to this thread!0
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Awesome thread!
I always used a 5 pound range for weight for this very reason. My range is 130 - 135, as long as I stay somewhere in there all of my clothes fit well and I think I look good
And if you can keep it in this range (and adjust when necessary if you are trending upwards) it makes maintenance a whole lot easier.
Of course i didn't follow this rule when I broke my ankle and started eating like an idiot...hence why I'm NOT in maintenance right now LOL.0 -
What a great post!
I wish everyone would read this and know that water weight is the king of the scale and water weight does not matter!
I can gain 8lbs in a day if I eat enough but that doesn't mean I ate 30,000+ calories, just that my body has stored lots of glycogen which is good and water with it.
On the flip-side I can lose 8lbs over two days too!!!0 -
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Great info! Thanks for sharing!0
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Ok it makes sense! Very helpful! My issue is that since I started eating healthy and tracking calories, I haven't lost anything and have actually gained! I have no idea what is going on with body! I do workout. I get into circuit training a couple months ago and I love it! But again no weight loss. My TDEE is 1886 and I have my activity set at lightly active. I am 5'11, 166lbs, but this week that went to 168!
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I had a problem losing weight when I did circuit training also! Not sure why, it was great exercie!0 -
Great thread. a friend pointed it out to me. any idea how much you need to cut back your goal weight based on height and weight to deal with the water weight/glycogen stores?0
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I'm very grateful for this post.
What I'm not clear on is why stepping up slowly to maintenance after reaching your goal avoids this pitfall. Won't you gain the weight back when your glycogen stores get back to normal, regardless of how slowly that happens?
It's great to know ahead of time to expect about a 5 lb weight gain upon starting maintenance.
Also great to have an explanation of why I lost so much that first week. Also why I gained so fast after a couple of high calorie days.
It's not always 5 lbs - it could be maybe 3-8 or so from everything I've read (the higher number being probably for men who have a much higher LBM than, say, a small woman). But I don't think stepping up slowly changes anything except for the way you perceive it.
If you step up slowly from a cut, you're still cutting until the point where your caloric intake actually reaches your maintenance level, so basically you're still probably burning more fat than you're storing while you're increasing calories. If you move from, say, a 500 calorie (daily) cut to maintenance over 1 or two weeks i.e. 1500 calories/day to cut then you get to the weight you like and add 250/day for a week and then add another 250/day for another week, you'll probably see that gain since glycogen could be, say 4 lbs added over 2 weeks but fat loss continues at 1/2 a pound per week for the first week increasing calories. So after those 2 weeks you've got a net gain of 3.5 lbs. If you step up even slower - at say 100 calories/day per week, the first week you'd have a 400 calorie/day deficit, the next week 300 calories/day deficit, the next week 200 calories/day deficit, the next week 100 calories/day deficit. By the time you get to your actual maintenance calories, you've created another 7000 calorie deficit over those 5 weeks for another 2 lbs of fat loss. So then maybe you only see a net 2 lb gain. If you add even slower - say 50 calories/day for a week at a time, you extend that deficit over an even longer period of time so in essence you actually ARE cutting to below goal weight before bumping calories up. Same difference as cutting right down to 3-5 lbs below your goal and increasing to maintenance all at once. It's just a mind game.
You have to get to the place where you can accept that the way your body looks and feels at the bottom of a cut is not the same as it will feel while maintaining. Most of us can feel that depleted, dehydrated cut feeling and enjoy it, which is why it's such a mind game when you puff back up with water... but that's the body's natural state. Homeostasis only happens in that state.0 -
Great thread. a friend pointed it out to me. any idea how much you need to cut back your goal weight based on height and weight to deal with the water weight/glycogen stores?
I don't think it has anything to do with height. My uneducated guess is it's directly related to the quantity of muscle tissue and the amount of carbs you normally/naturally take in. If your diet is higher in carbs you will be more likely to retain more water on an ongoing basis than if your diet is lower in carbs.
I'm 5'7" and 160 lbs at about 23% body fat and I can store about 5-6 lbs of water weight. A previous (male) poster just a few up (I think Russell-someone) said he can retain about 8 lbs. But if your weight is down about 130 lbs, you are probably closer to the 3-4 lbs range.
I am absolutely NOT recommending that anyone cut to 5 lbs below their goal - especially those aiming for the bare bones bottom of their healthy weight range or well below. This post really is intended for those with a healthy sense of their goal weight. Someone in another version of this thread accused me of telling anorexic people to cut even lower. That's not my purpose here.0 -
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Awesome thread!!! Glad to see this. I'm one of those people who was lucky to weekly average 1200 calories a day. I was losing slower than I should have been, and after reading threads here decided to up my calories to my bmr and have been having 1500/day for the past few days. This morning the scale was up two pounds.
Thanks to this I'll refrain from freaking out and keep trying the upped calories for the rest of the week before deciding if I need to cut back again.0 -
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Bumping for WHEN I am at or near goal!0
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Thanks this will be really helpfull later0
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You are a wonderful person for posting this! So helpful, commenting to bookmark!! Thank you for the info.0
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thank you for posting this and explaining it so clearly. i'm no where near maintenance - about 35lb away from where i would like to be - but i feel like a penny had dropped now regarding weight loss and the fluctuations on the scale that occur :flowerforyou:0
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This is an awesome thread, thank you so much for posting and making it is so clear to understand for those of us who are not that knowledgeable in the fitness world.0
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Thank you for the wonderful post. I was concerned about a little gain, but am really close to where I want to be on the scale. BMI is healthy, but fat is still at 26. I will keep this post in mind. It reminds me of what I tell my friends. Your body is like a car, it must have fuel to run. If you don't give it enough, it won't work right. If you give it too much it overflows! The trick is finding the full mark.
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Wow, thank you so much for sharing :flowerforyou:0
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