Starting The UpDayDownDay Diet... Anyone Try this?

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  • anacsitham5
    anacsitham5 Posts: 810 Member
    I looked this over and put in my figures (height, weight, age and it said that I should have 1713 calories on up days and 344 calories on down days. I would starve with only 344 calories. I would basically pass out with only 344 calories and working out on a day like that is a definate no. They suggest using slimfast or atkins shakes and bars on down days to avoid going over on calories, but those are full of carbs and sugars. I think I will stick with my normal logging. Definately not for me. Doesn't seem like it would be good long term.
  • JUDDDing
    JUDDDing Posts: 1,367 Member
    I would starve with only 344 calories. I would basically pass out with only 344 calories and working out on a day like that is a definate no.

    You get used to it. I kind of like fasted cardio.
    They suggest using slimfast or atkins shakes and bars on down days to avoid going over on calories, but those are full of carbs and sugars.

    That recommendation is for the first 2 weeks - and is just for portion control (since most people have no concept of portion control).

    Slimfast has a "high protein" version that is low carb. (20 grams protein, 4 grams carb (2 sugar)).

    But yeah - you've been super-successful on your plan (Well done!) - definitely stick with what works!
  • JUDDDing
    JUDDDing Posts: 1,367 Member
    Personally, if I only ate 400 calories in a day I would murder everyone around me.

    Please don't try this plan!

    :bigsmile:
  • mike_ny
    mike_ny Posts: 351 Member
    I don't put a lot of faith in gimmicks for dietary changes or fitness in general. Catchy diets are easy enough to remember and can go viral because of that, but they aren't sustainable in the long run. The basic idea from this seems to be to keep your body guessing on how many calories it'll get and also cutting your total weekly calories by a good amount. I'm a big believer of keeping both diet and exercise inconsistent enough to prevent your body adapting to regular routines and getting stuck in a plateau, but there are lots of ways to mix things up other than just drastic changes in daily calorie totals. I throw a high or low calorie day into the mix every now and then, which works well for me, but much more randomly than every other day.

    However, if you do pursue this diet, then use common sense and don't also try and do cardio on your super low calorie days. Its also not smart for weight lifting where you will be seriously shorting yourself on protein and other nutrients in the rest and repair days afterwards.
  • JUDDDing
    JUDDDing Posts: 1,367 Member
    However, if you do pursue this diet, then use common sense and don't also try and do cardio on your super low calorie days. Its also not smart for weight lifting where you will be seriously shorting yourself on protein and other nutrients in the rest and repair days afterwards.

    I believe that both of those statements ("fasted cardio is bad" and "protein must be properly timed") are unproven and long standing debates that are FAR from being resolved.
  • einzweidrei
    einzweidrei Posts: 381 Member
    I don't put a lot of faith in gimmicks for dietary changes or fitness in general. Catchy diets are easy enough to remember and can go viral because of that, but they aren't sustainable in the long run. The basic idea from this seems to be to keep your body guessing on how many calories it'll get and also cutting your total weekly calories by a good amount. I'm a big believer of keeping both diet and exercise inconsistent enough to prevent your body adapting to regular routines and getting stuck in a plateau, but there are lots of ways to mix things up other than just drastic changes in daily calorie totals. I throw a high or low calorie day into the mix every now and then, which works well for me, but much more randomly than every other day.

    Fasting has been around for a long time for a number of reasons. This is not a gimmick for everyone. This is a lifestyle change for me. What is not sustainable about eventually fasting one day a week? It's not like you're not eating at all or fasting daily, which IMO would not be sustainable.
  • stefjc
    stefjc Posts: 484 Member
    Just popping in to support JUDDDing's great postings.

    I've been JUDDDing for 20 months, on and off to fit in with my up/down busy and stressful lifestyle. It works for me, I could never stick to daily restrictions, I thought about food too much. With this I have relearned portion control and restraint. And having not bothered for about 2 months I gained 1.5lbs - that's it. Whatever I am doing now is maintenance and that average of 0.4lbs per week over 80 weeks has been easy and is obviously sustainable, or at least more so than WW on the whole.

    It really is just a different eating pattern - should the health benefits ever be supported by good research in humans I'll be even happier :-D
  • slim4health56
    slim4health56 Posts: 439 Member
    Your health, your choice. But if I've read your posts correctly you say you don't want to mess with counting points with WW but you will count calories for this new diet and your new doctor says you'll lose weight faster on this up/down diet? So, in other words, you're looking for a quick fix? I hope this isn't the case. However, there does seem to be a sizable number of folks here who are on the 5:2, which sounds similar to what you're suggesting...you might want to seek them out. Fasting is not my thing, but I wish you success and good health.
  • 3foldchord
    3foldchord Posts: 2,918 Member
    However, if you do pursue this diet, then use common sense and don't also try and do cardio on your super low calorie days. Its also not smart for weight lifting where you will be seriously shorting yourself on protein and other nutrients in the rest and repair days afterwards.

    I believe that both of those statements ("fasted cardio is bad" and "protein must be properly timed") are unproven and long standing debates that are FAR from being resolved.

    Unless there are specific health issues. But, I think she said her doctor actually suggested it, so she is doing this pattern of obtaining fuel with her doctor's approval.
    To OP: More power to ya! :glasses:
  • Definitely not for me, I get weepy and irrational any days when my net calories falls below 1200-1300 or I have to go more than 2-3 hours between meals/snacks.
    As an example I had my whole life planned around a run on Wednesday. I ate a small meal at 6:30, was supposed to run from 8:15-9:00 and then have a protein shake, hit the hot tub and go to bed. My husband was late from work so when he walked in the door at 9:00 I was sitting on the couch sobbing because "I just wanted to run and now I'm so hungry waaaaaaaaaa".

    On the other hand, my husband fasts 2 consecutive days a week and it works well for him. His total calorie intake on those days is under 400 and he's just fine. He has supplement that he takes to keep his blood sugar more or less stable. He's been doing this for a couple of years now.
  • flumi_f
    flumi_f Posts: 1,888 Member
    It sounds similar to the 5:2 diet. There are a couple groups on here that are about it.
    I've never heard of the updaydownday before.

    Sounds like alternate day fasting, which of course can be done and has been shown to improve other health issues aside from the weightloss.

    Personally I wouldn't want to fast every other day. Which is why I chose 5:2. It is working brilliantly for me. 16kg in 4.5 months, lots of energy and fitter than ever. If you want more infos on 5:2 go to the two groups on MFP. There is alot of information there and alot of nice people.

    Whatever you do - don't look at it as a diet, that will end someday. It may change, but it has to fit into your life pretty much forever.

    Good luck!
  • Keiras_Mom
    Keiras_Mom Posts: 844 Member
    JUDDDing's posts have covered all the bases. I just want to add that it IS sustainable and quite a nice way to live one's life. I've done it for nearly two years now, with a few breaks to try other plans "just to see" and I always come back to JUDDD. I've lost nearly 130 pounds, and I'm enjoying maintenance easily and with no food restrictions. I've actually increased my UDs to 2000 calories and my DDs are now around 750 average, but I go anywhere from 500-1000 calories on a DD. In weight loss mode, I was eating 1750/350 or so.

    I also thought, "There's no way I could eat that little." I had blood sugar swings, would get shaky and irritable if I didn't eat. DH was very worried for his safety when I started doing JUDDD. :blushing: The first DD wasn't super easy, but I managed, and my relationship with food has gotten SO much better. I never have crazy mood swings or blood sugar issues anymore. I suspect it was more in my head than actual physical issues.
  • stefjc
    stefjc Posts: 484 Member
    It sounds similar to the 5:2 diet. There are a couple groups on here that are about it.
    I've never heard of the updaydownday before.

    It is quite a bit older than the 5:2, I think it was one of the versions Mosely looked at. The Dr who wrote it included quite a lot of really interesting research, a lot of noodling on how he and other dieters had responded to 'normal' diets, and recommended some simple guidelines - one rule "eat your calories" - appealed to me. I spent about 3 months in the medical library of Bristol University reading round on the research, mainly in endocrinology journals, they are usually quite sceptical and detailed in their research.

    OK, he then did the sales thing - well he does give away the diet and is/was a plastic surgeon, so he had to sell some sort of supplement :)

    It is all really interesting - once you ignore any sales hype!
  • mike_ny
    mike_ny Posts: 351 Member
    I don't put a lot of faith in gimmicks for dietary changes or fitness in general. Catchy diets are easy enough to remember and can go viral because of that, but they aren't sustainable in the long run. The basic idea from this seems to be to keep your body guessing on how many calories it'll get and also cutting your total weekly calories by a good amount. I'm a big believer of keeping both diet and exercise inconsistent enough to prevent your body adapting to regular routines and getting stuck in a plateau, but there are lots of ways to mix things up other than just drastic changes in daily calorie totals. I throw a high or low calorie day into the mix every now and then, which works well for me, but much more randomly than every other day.

    Fasting has been around for a long time for a number of reasons. This is not a gimmick for everyone. This is a lifestyle change for me. What is not sustainable about eventually fasting one day a week? It's not like you're not eating at all or fasting daily, which IMO would not be sustainable.

    Fasting is fine. Everyone should do a fast day now and then, but this is not about fasting. It's eating extremely low calories every other day. That 's the gimmicky part. Depending on what those calories are from and how they are spaced could cause some insulin swings or dizziness in some people. Avoiding exhausting workouts until you know how your body will handle the 400 or so calorie days is what I was suggesting.
  • Thank you everyone for posting your feelings about this. I looked at the 5:2 diet, but I dont think i could 2 down days in a row. The every other day seems to be going okay. I am on my 4th day.. 2 of each and yesterday w:bigsmile: as pretty tough. However, I kept reminding myself, "Tomorrow, Tomorrow, Tomorrow. " I feel like I have been constantly reading reviews on this diet for days. Most people that have been doing this diet for 2 years plus say that it gets easier on fasting days after the first week. I'm okay, I am getting the slight headaches at night, but nothing horrible. Jello and hot Tea have become my favorite snacks for nights. And actually on this fourth day (Up) I am feeling pretty good.
  • JUDDDing
    JUDDDing Posts: 1,367 Member
    Very glad to hear that it's going well for you!
    I looked at the 5:2 diet, but I dont think i could 2 down days in a row.

    Most people who do 5:2 don't do the 2 fasting days consecutively.
  • Most people who do 5:2 don't do the 2 fasting days consecutively.


    Ohhh Haha.. That makes alot of sense. I was wondering how anyone could do that on 2 consecutive days. Well, yesterday was my third down day, and I honestly feel great in general. I feel like my clothes are fitting a little better. My stomach aches have completely diminshed and I am overall happy with this diet so far. I will update soon!

    Also, on my up days, I noticed that I have not really wanted anything bad, and my portions have definitely gotton smaller. :smile:
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