Organic or not?

I'm sorry, but just because something comes from a "farmer's market" doesn't mean it wasn't grown with pesticides.

I get most of our food (meat, vegetables, fruit and eggs) from the farmers market, so it's mostly organic, hormone-free, pesticide-free, etc. I started doing this to support the local farms, but appreciate keeping my kids away from the hormones and pesticides. We also drink organic milk.

Organic or conventional they are all able to use pesticides (in the USA your geopolitical designation may vary). Organic pesticides/fungicides/herbicides are just that organic, one pesticide that is organic is nicotine. Since the organic pesticides have been in use for a long time they are usually less effective which means that farmers have to use more of them, on the other hand conventional farmers have a whole range of pesticides they can use to target specific issues and since the chemicals normally have been used less the pests have not been able to build up a resistance to them meaning the conventional farmer can use less and that means less residue on the produce. Also since the conventional farmer needs less pesticides they have to spray less which uses less fuel in the machinery and less exhaust emissions.

80% of the produce I eat is organic, and I buy as much pasture raised antibiotic free etc etc meat as I can. I'm fortunate I can afford to do so.

My thinking in doing this is not that it will make me live forever, but more that I am trying to reduce my risk factors wherever I can.

I eat organic as much as possible, but not as much as I'd like. I don't like consuming the residue of industrial farming if I can help it.

Same here. I try to pay special attention to the dirty dozen and dont worry so much about the items on the clean 15.

Good thing organic farming doesn't use pesticides, oh wait a sec...

I dont think you bothered to look where i`m located. Quebec (and Canada in general) have very different farming and food regulations from the US. I grew up in a farming community, and here there are very specific regulations as to what is considered organic and can carry that label. Its not a perfec system by any means, but is controlled more so than our American neighbours.

I don't think you bothered to do any actual research

"7.1.14.6 The use of therapeutic applications of non-synthetic or synthetic substances to control pests, parasites and diseases is permitted, provided that such substances are in accordance with CAN/CGSB-32.311, Organic Production Systems – Permitted Substances Lists."

http://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/ongc-cgsb/programme-program/normes-standards/internet/bio-org/principes-principles-eng.html

Under pest management

"the use of pesticides included in CAN/CGSB-32.311, Organic Production Systems - Permitted Substances Lists."

The Penn & Teller Bull**t episode on organic foods was great. My favorite was the test they did where they chopped a non-organic fruit in half, told people one half was organic, the other wasn't, and asked them to pick which was best. Most of the people surveyed said the organic half (I say again, both halves were from the same fruit) tasted and looked better. Don't believe the hype.

Was thinking this, too. I bought organic and regular strawberries recently to see if the family could tell the difference. No one could. I doubt many have tried foods they claim taste better side by side without know which is which. I think they may be surprised. The brain is a funny thing. :happy:

I eat organic as much as possible, but not as much as I'd like. I don't like consuming the residue of industrial farming if I can help it.

Same here. I try to pay special attention to the dirty dozen and dont worry so much about the items on the clean 15.

Good thing organic farming doesn't use pesticides, oh wait a sec...

I dont think you bothered to look where i`m located. Quebec (and Canada in general) have very different farming and food regulations from the US. I grew up in a farming community, and here there are very specific regulations as to what is considered organic and can carry that label. Its not a perfec system by any means, but is controlled more so than our American neighbours.

I don't think you bothered to do any actual research

"7.1.14.6 The use of therapeutic applications of non-synthetic or synthetic substances to control pests, parasites and diseases is permitted, provided that such substances are in accordance with CAN/CGSB-32.311, Organic Production Systems – Permitted Substances Lists."

http://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/ongc-cgsb/programme-program/normes-standards/internet/bio-org/principes-principles-eng.html

Under pest management

"the use of pesticides included in CAN/CGSB-32.311, Organic Production Systems - Permitted Substances Lists."

Keep reading that link, it’s for beekeeping (Apiculture), that is not the regulation for all products.
I said it before, it’s not a perfect system, I know, I’ve known organic farmers and the biggest issue I’ve always had is how close a non-organic farmer who sprays can be to an organic farm and it still be considered organic. That being said I’ve also watched farmers of non-organic apple orchards have to wear gas masks to work for an entire week after spraying because the pesticides are that dangerous. I just can’t stand to have that image in my head and give my 1 1/2year old a non-organic apple (though with organic apples I have to cut them before giving them to him in case of worms, yuck).
If you don’t want to eat organic for whatever reason that is fine, I was just telling the OP that I try as often as I can to, or at the very least try to do so for the worst culprits (aka the dirty dozen) because I would rather not ingest as many GMO`s, antibiotics, and pesticides as I can, and support the small local farmers from my hometown that don’t use these.

I eat organic as much as possible, but not as much as I'd like. I don't like consuming the residue of industrial farming if I can help it.

Same here. I try to pay special attention to the dirty dozen and dont worry so much about the items on the clean 15.

Good thing organic farming doesn't use pesticides, oh wait a sec...

I dont think you bothered to look where i`m located. Quebec (and Canada in general) have very different farming and food regulations from the US. I grew up in a farming community, and here there are very specific regulations as to what is considered organic and can carry that label. Its not a perfec system by any means, but is controlled more so than our American neighbours.

I don't think you bothered to do any actual research

"7.1.14.6 The use of therapeutic applications of non-synthetic or synthetic substances to control pests, parasites and diseases is permitted, provided that such substances are in accordance with CAN/CGSB-32.311, Organic Production Systems – Permitted Substances Lists."

http://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/ongc-cgsb/programme-program/normes-standards/internet/bio-org/principes-principles-eng.html

Under pest management

"the use of pesticides included in CAN/CGSB-32.311, Organic Production Systems - Permitted Substances Lists."

Keep reading that link, it’s for beekeeping (Apiculture), that is not the regulation for all products.
I said it before, it’s not a perfect system, I know, I’ve known organic farmers and the biggest issue I’ve always had is how close a non-organic farmer who sprays can be to an organic farm and it still be considered organic. That being said I’ve also watched farmers of non-organic apple orchards have to wear gas masks to work for an entire week after spraying because the pesticides are that dangerous. I just can’t stand to have that image in my head and give my 1 1/2year old a non-organic apple (though with organic apples I have to cut them before giving them to him in case of worms, yuck).
If you don’t want to eat organic for whatever reason that is fine, I was just telling the OP that I try as often as I can to, or at the very least try to do so for the worst culprits (aka the dirty dozen) because I would rather not ingest as many GMO`s, antibiotics, and pesticides as I can, and support the small local farmers from my hometown that don’t use these.

Section 7 was for beekeeping, Pest management section 6.1 was for everything, that allowed pesticides

6.1 is for Livestock, but whatever. You obviously get a kick out of picking fights on MFP, look at your history of posts. This is my last post here because I’d rather spend my time being supportive, not defensive. Have a good day and good luck with all your fitness goals.

I'm sorry, but just because something comes from a "farmer's market" doesn't mean it wasn't grown with pesticides.

I get most of our food (meat, vegetables, fruit and eggs) from the farmers market, so it's mostly organic, hormone-free, pesticide-free, etc. I started doing this to support the local farms, but appreciate keeping my kids away from the hormones and pesticides. We also drink organic milk.

Well, our farmers market has a website where they have information about each farm that has a table there, and what they offer. So I know that the ones we buy from are in fact pesticide-free. It's also pretty obvious by all the bugs I have to pick off the food before preparing it. But you're right in the fact that just because it's at a farmers market doesn't mean it's pesticide-free in general. We have a large farmers market in the city near us, and I'm fairly certain that things are different there.

I stock on my veggies and fruit once per week at the farmers market and when possible, I buy local and organic. Some 80 percent of my veggies and fruit will be like that, the rest is either not locally grown or nothing organic available. I buy organic because it usually tastes better, like courgette, spinach, asparagus, lettuce, cauliflower. young potatoes, apples, pears, berries etc etc etc For meat, I buy at the local butcher shop and if possible, I also get bio/organic - but that is not always on offer. With meat I do so for the same reason, it just tastes better. But overall, I don't obsess. If I can't get organic then I buy regular.