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  • lupinibean
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    ok... I should also mention....

    When I eat at home I do measure EVERYTHING!!! I count my chips out one by one and I measure EXACTLY one tbs of coconut oil, etc.

    when i eat out i do estimate or use the same foods from other restaurants, but I do try to make sure the portion sizes are the same. So i will try to cut out eating out more (but it's hard with my husband who is a junk food addict) but that is no excuse. I CAN eat at home and I WILL make that a new focus....

    when it comes to eating prepackaged meals.... this one is hard too. the funny thing is I LOVE to cook!!! It's what I went to school for.... BUT I have a hard time making my own food without crap tons of salt, butter, cream and all the things in the world that taste so darn good!!!! and I find it harder to keep track since i don't know how to measure as I go when I'm cooking meals... So i figured I'd be better off eating something already portioned and already calculated..... Also, the packaged salads come with dressing that is already included in the calorie count which is why i like them. they hold me accountable for not just dumping dressing on and saying "yeah...that looks like 2tbs"

    I do have a HRM and that was what made me lower my exercise calories down to 100/session. My HRM and MPF were saying I burned 1000 or more calories, but when I did the math, my actual average bpm came to only burning 300, so i figured if i put 100, i would be under no matter what and I would be better off.....

    If you love to cook, you must check out Skinnytaste.com. She has wonderful recipes with calories and macros counted for you. There are probably other sites as well, I think Allrecipes has a "low cal" section if you hunt around.

    Good on you for the salads, just make sure (if you're not already) that the calorie count is for one serving only. That prepackaged stuff can be tricky.

    I agree about the sodium tracking. I am a recovering salt junkie myself but I retained water like nobody's business until I made a concerted effort to cut down on the stuff and include sodium in my macros.

    And not to sound like a broken record, but make sure you are weighing everything as well as measuring. It sounds like you have some good habits established, try for just one week without fast food or restaurant food and see if you get results. Your hubby can get take-out if he is really craving it.

    Good luck!
  • owlie246
    owlie246 Posts: 4 Member
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    Hello! Firstly, can I just say that putting yourself out there on a forum is incredibly brave, so probably a big step right there. I think we probably have similar goals and a similar way to go, so I will send you a friend request, as we might be able to help each other. :) What I have been doing is not trying to go a diet, but change my entire lifestyle.
    I have always cooked pretty healthy meals (having done nutrition as part of my degree), but have really surprised myself since I started weighing out ingredients and looking at portions. I have been sort of sticking to a 80/20 rule, as I think for me it is more sustainable as a lifelong change. So, 80% of the time it is healthy eating and careful with calories, then 20% of the time it is pretty much (within reason) what I fancy eating. I have also started going to the gym, aiming for 3 times a week.

    Something else that I think using the food diary helped with is looking at something high in calories and thinking about taste and satisfaction of that food, divided by the calories involved, then deciding if it is actually worth blowing that many calories on that item. :)

    Anyway, i'll stop waffling on and just wish you all the best with your journey. :)
  • exmsde
    exmsde Posts: 85 Member
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    I had a similar experience in that I lost a lot the first week, as expected, and then stopped. When I broke through the plateau the weight loss was still much lower than might be expected based on calories in vs out. Because I'd concentrated on upping my exercise before I even started to cut my calorie intake, and bought a scale that measures body fat percentage, I could see that I was losing body fat at a much higher rate than weight. Other measures of the benefits of the change in diet and activity levels (e.g., blood pressure) also showed progress faster than weight loss. So you might want to start looking at multiple measures rather than just weight. They could help keep you motivated.

    Sounds like there is a pretty good chance you are both over-estimating your burn and under-estimating your intake just enough for you to feel the negatives (e.g., always feeling hungry) but not have any weight loss. What I do in that situation is take a week or two (or three...) to really concentrate on making sure I stick to my calorie goals. Measuring cups and a scale become my best friends. I avoid eating out, or if I still do so then it has to be things I can get good calorie counts for. I up my activity level too, and I'm conservative about much more that will let me eat.

    Also, the hardest thing for me, and I suspect for you based on your binge comments, is dealing with cravings. I make sure to keep snacks around and allocate calories for them. Part of the fun for me has been finding and trying snacks in the 100-150 calorie range that really do address my cravings. Both mid-afternoon and mid to late evening I eat something. Sometimes mid-morning, but that is much less likely. And while often those are healthy low-calorie snacks like fruit, I have a cabinet full of things geared to meet my traditional craving needs without blowing my calorie goal. So start building your needs into your diet rather than trying to fight them!

    Lastly, go get a Fitbit or similar device. Then use it to motivate you to push your activity level up. Not as a substitute for specific exercise activities like Zumba, but as a way to slowly and fairly painlessly make more progress. See how many steps per day you are doing. Try upping it by 500 or 1000. It's amazing how easy it is to add 1000 steps per day (ie, don't try going from 4000 a day to 10000 all at once, do it a bit at a time) even if you are way out of shape. It is also going to come in handy when you reach the point of trying to achieve your internal vision of yourself as a runner!
  • Alluring72
    Alluring72 Posts: 50 Member
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    Don't forget to look at other measurements - waist, thighs, etc. I have plateaued weight wise too, but I can feel and see a definite difference in my legs, pants are fitting more loosely. Muscle weighs more than fat - but you are far better off having more muscle and less fat.

    Focus on the whole picture, not just the scale. The scale will move again. Just keep up the good work.
  • Brige2269
    Brige2269 Posts: 354 Member
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    A couple things I noticed about your diary....

    You have a lot of prepackaged salads, but there is never any dressing. Do you eat it without? If you use dressing, make sure to add that because most salad dressings are filled with calories, sodium & fat.

    My other question, are you measuring your foods or just guessing? I see mostly pre-packaged or restaraunt type foods that appear to not always go with everything else, so it almost looks like you are just picking something that may be close to what you are eating. Often times we think that we are estimating over the calories we are eating, but in reality, we are not estimating enough calories. It looks to me as if it is possible that you need to weigh and measure your food and stop estimating.

    And where are the fruits and veggies :wink: Add more fresh fruits and veggies to your diet, that will help as well (from my experience).

    Best of luck :drinker:
    This was my exact response. Popcorn for lunch is not a great way to go either. If your going to be working out, you need that protien. Def add the fruits and veggies, watch your sodium, add that counter back onto your diary. Good luck to you!! Feel free to friend me.
  • judychicken
    judychicken Posts: 937 Member
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  • wilsoje74
    wilsoje74 Posts: 1,720 Member
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    I should also note that the meal times don't necessarily reflect when I'm actually eating it. sometimes when I eat a cookie or something I'll trow it in dinner because it's the first thing I clicked.....
    This shouldn't matter
  • Ivey05131980
    Ivey05131980 Posts: 1,118 Member
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    I have JUST gone through a 3 month plateau/maintain period...this past week I've lowered my carbs, less processed "boxed" foods, less calories, more water and not eaten back my exercise calories burned. I've lost 2 lbs. this week.

    Try something new this coming week. Change something up. If that doesn't work, change something different the next week.

    But, don't give up!!
  • walleymama
    walleymama Posts: 174 Member
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    I notice that nobody has asked you whether you are finding it easy or difficult to stick with your caloric goals. Why do you think you go over on some days? Is it frustration from being hungry and always feeling deprived?

    If so, I agree with those who suggest you eat more filling foods, getting more satiety "bang" for your caloric "buck". AFAIC, it really doesn't matter one fig whether that's a hamburger from McDonalds or a nutritious homemade dinner, either of those things will make you feel full compared to, say, popcorn or coffee drinks.

    OTOH, perhaps you are not feeling deprived and hungry, in which case I would not change your caloric goals. Obviously there is a measurement issue here and since it sounds like you've got your Zumba estimates well within control then it must be an underestimate of what you are eating. I hear that you are measuring everything and I'm going to agree with you against others that actually eating pre-packaged foods can make tracking calories and macros much easier.

    Whether it is having a big fat latte every day or eating frozen dinners, do whatever you need to do to make this as easy on yourself as possible. Don't be hungry and don't feel deprived. Do stick to your goals.

    While I feel pretty strongly not to look at macros when you are first beginning your journey, I will agree that very high sodium intake can cause water retention, but if you are eating at a true deficit your weight should still go down over time, even if the estimate of weight is a bit high due to water weight.

    My final piece of advice: if you have been tracking your weight, exercise, and intake daily you can analyze your own data to see how much weight you have actually lost and compare it to the amount you *should* have lost based on your daily caloric deficit. You may need to tweak your TDEE or NEAT estimates, but more likely it is an error in tracking intake/outake.
  • WhiteRabbit1313
    WhiteRabbit1313 Posts: 1,091 Member
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    I'm going to reiterate what others have said. I calculated your daily average for the past seven days at 1744 calories/day, which is probably reasonable at your size in this stage of your weight loss journey. If you arrived at your daily goal via the use of a TDEE calculator, I'd say your problem may be that you're underestimating what you're eating. You need a food scale; it keeps you honest. I bought one and was shocked at the results and how much I fib on my intake. So, check your daily caloric goals to make sure you're fueling your body at the right amount to create a reasonable deficit, then closely monitor your portion sizes.
  • schondell
    schondell Posts: 556 Member
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    Consistency.

    A binge for a day may not seem like a big deal but those extra calories don't just disappear.
  • chickiepea
    chickiepea Posts: 7 Member
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    I'm relatively new here, and will admit that I did not read all of the replies, but wanted to chime in with my 2c.
    I would highly recommend reading _It Starts with Food_ and reading the information online about doing a Whole 30.

    I don't have any fancy letters after my name, but have been researching health and food for 13 years now, as my daughter has struggled through an immune disorder. We've changed our diet (mostly removing foods) many times, but I finally feel like this book has all the right information in ONE place. So, after 13 years of reading everything from cookbooks to medical journals, I highly recommend it!

    I am not interested in starting a debate, but I absolutely disagree that you should not eat clean. It's true that you can lose weight by eating even fast food, but if your end goal is HEALTH, then you should put clean food as a priority. Without clearing the inflammation and healing your gut from all of the "bad" food, you will either put the weight back on, or still suffer the consequences of eating the unclean food. Being thin and sick is no fun at all.

    (By the way, I am in no way affiliated with the Whole 30 folks at all, in case you are wondering. I just finished reading the book, and am on Day 12 of my first Whole 30, and it is really resonating with me.)

    Best Wishes!
  • 3foldchord
    3foldchord Posts: 2,918 Member
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    When I eat at home I do measure EVERYTHING!!! I count my chips out one by one and I measure EXACTLY one tbs of coconut oil, etc.

    Measure with a kitchen scale. Don't count each chip, weigh them on your kitchen scale. Con't measure your oil,in a Tablespoon, weight it on the scale.

    (For things like oils and peanut utter, I put my bread or salad on the scale, zero it out, then drizzle the oil or mayo or PB until the scale shows the correct weight)
  • ereck44
    ereck44 Posts: 1,170 Member
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    first of all, congrats on the 10 pound weight loss in a month or 6 weeks time! Can't figure out when you joined.

    My guess based on all the processed food that you eat is that you are retaining a significant amount of water weight. Wow, if you are a cook, then you are doing a big disservice to your taste buds by eating like that. I too eat frozen dinners from time to time, but pair it with some broccoli, an apple, some steamed corn. You can buy a container of mixed greens and add a lot of tasty toppings that you can measure and control. Vinaigrette dressing has a lot lower calories than most dressings, and I measure it using the gram setting on a food scale.

    I love that you have specific goals. Set mini-goals that are achievable. Don't be afraid to sweat. You don't have to run to get fit.

    I think plateaus have to last 6 weeks or longer to be a true plateau. (I learned this from my fellow mfp-ers.)

    Don't be in a hurry to lose weight or make huge changes in your diet or fitness regimen. This for the long haul, right? A life time change?

    Any chance that your spouse can eat a little healthier--he may be skinny, but not doing his arteries any good.

    good luck. you are getting a lot of good advice.
  • Holly_Roman_Empire
    Holly_Roman_Empire Posts: 4,440 Member
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    (For things like oils and peanut utter, I put my bread or salad on the scale, zero it out, then drizzle the oil or mayo or PB until the scale shows the correct weight)

    Awesome idea! I would never have thought of that!
  • torisiegel
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    I want to second others and say that you're showing your courage and dedication by asking here for advice! I would ask you to consider adding more protein to your diet, if you're struggling with overeating some days. When I have protein for snacks, instead of just carbs, it keeps me full for longer and I don't get to the point of "I-am-so-hungry-right-now-that-nothing-will-do-except-a-bacon-cheeseburger!" Try keeping around some nuts or trail mix, beef jerky, or a hard-boiled egg for a mid-morning or mid-afternoon snack.

    I also started packing a lunch: tuna salad (with lots of cut up veggies like pickles, green onion, bell peppers, and I don't skimp on the mayonnaise) eaten on crispy romaine leaves, a single serving of chips or crackers so I get a little more crunch and some salt, a hard-boiled egg, extra veggies like carrots or celery, a sweet fruit like grapes or tangerines to satisfy my sweet tooth, and even a small yogurt if needed. I'm full till dinner time, and I ate so many different kinds of foods, textures, and sweet/salty tastes, that I feel like I ate a lot more than the calories involved!

    I also have tried to stop drinking nearly as many sugary beverages. I was having a large Coke every day, sometimes even twice a day, and while I totally miss it, I enjoy my one or two "splurges" a week even more. I only have a sweet warm beverage once a week, a trip to Starbucks or Peet's with co-workers. (I still can't comprehend that a small hot cocoa with vanilla uses up almost 400 of my calories for the day!)

    I still have a long ways to go, but I'm seeing progress and it's helping stay excited and motivated. I hope that you can get past this plateau, and get back to the excitement of life change. :)
  • lajpeck
    lajpeck Posts: 83 Member
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    I am guilty of eating the lean cuisines too. Working a full day I just don't want to cook when I get home. Recently I have been making a roast chicken on an off day and using that for several dinners. Also I do use breakfast sandwhichs but on off days I make my own omelet. Also now that fall is here apples are my new sweet. I was where you were a year ago and just made substitutions here and there to make things healthier. But I still don't eat completely clean and suspect I never will. Love to be friends if you would like too.
  • ashandstuff
    ashandstuff Posts: 442 Member
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    The best advice I can give you is to HOME MAKE YOUR MEALS, especially since you like to cook! I love to cook too, and when I had to switch to gluten free eating due to health issues I just adjusted all of my recipes to be better suited to my lifestyle. ANY recipe can change to be healthier, it's just about getting creative with it.

    Make sure you eat enough, and limit your "going out to eat" to maybe once a week, twice a week AT THE MOST, for a while and see where that takes you.

    Definitely go with what your heart rate monitor is telling you for calorie burns. You need to eat back SOME of those calories.
  • Diggedydog
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    I am just peeking below 300 lbs. My dietician suggested weighing in a maximum of once per week. Daily weight fluctuations can be as high as 2% That means 6lbs. If you see an overall loss over a couple of months, you are doing fine despite variations. Be in it for the long haul: this is for life and it takes a long time.:wink:
  • k1o2r3i4
    k1o2r3i4 Posts: 33 Member
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    Hi there- Looks like you have a lot of prepackaged, processed, convenience and fast food. In my opinion if you cut back on that stuff, eat cleaner and cook more at home you will start to see a difference. I would guess you are pretty busy and dont put any time into planning you meals. If you plan your meals a few days a week in advance this might help as well! You will absolutely have to change your eating habits if you want to succeed. Best of luck :)