TDEE - 20% - how on earth!!!
scdsuccess1985
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Hi everyone. I am such a panic state. After 3 weeks on MFP, and eating the 1400 cal MFP advised, I am not loosing anything.
Then I read that one should actually work out your TDEE and then minus 20-30% from it. So you must consume that amount of calories per day to loose weight.
O my word - after calculations, My TDEE is 2962 - 20% = 2369 calories per day!!! Have checked several TDEE online calculators.
Could this be right??? How on earth am I going to consume so much calories a day. I never eat that much a day!
I will surely gain weight by eating that much calories per day - well in my logical world.
I am replacing 2 meals (Breakfast & Lunch) with Ultima 1 Weightloss shake. This is most suitable for me, because I work so hard - I don't have time to make something or most of the time I totally forget to eat. So shaking is a great solution for me.
Is it true - eating more will make you loose more?
I am really in a PANIC state. What if I consume that 2369 calories per day and I gain more weight?
I cannot afford to gain more weight!!!!
Any advice will be much appreciated.
Then I read that one should actually work out your TDEE and then minus 20-30% from it. So you must consume that amount of calories per day to loose weight.
O my word - after calculations, My TDEE is 2962 - 20% = 2369 calories per day!!! Have checked several TDEE online calculators.
Could this be right??? How on earth am I going to consume so much calories a day. I never eat that much a day!
I will surely gain weight by eating that much calories per day - well in my logical world.
I am replacing 2 meals (Breakfast & Lunch) with Ultima 1 Weightloss shake. This is most suitable for me, because I work so hard - I don't have time to make something or most of the time I totally forget to eat. So shaking is a great solution for me.
Is it true - eating more will make you loose more?
I am really in a PANIC state. What if I consume that 2369 calories per day and I gain more weight?
I cannot afford to gain more weight!!!!
Any advice will be much appreciated.
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If you doubt your numbers, then post your height, weight, and activities so someone can double check.
In general, yes you will lose weight at TDEE -20%. Doesnt matter if its 2000 or 4000 as long as its correctly calculated. Over the summer I was losing while eating ca 3000 calories a day.. but over the winter I need to keep just under 2000.. all dependant on activity levels.
So:
* get your numbers double checked ( http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/3834-eat-more-to-weigh-less or http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/7965-in-place-of-a-road-map are a good place to ask if you dont get help through this thread )
* log everything you eat correctly
* log your activities correctly
* drink plenty of water0 -
Hi there,
Agree with above poster 100% - just let people know your height weight etc and someone can double check those figures for you.
Is it true - eating more will make you loose more?
That phrase is so vague. Eating LESS than you need will make you lose more. Eating a LOT less than you need will mean you'll either quit early or become ill. Eating a LITTLE less than you actually need will enable you to keep losing over the longer term and feel happy doing it too!
Hope that helps and don't panic - there's plenty of support on here for you!
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Thanks for all the replies.
My height is 5.5 and my weight is 273lbs. :-(
I am not so active during the day. Sitting at desk most of the day working. I try to do treadmill or zumba 30 minutes a day. Sometimes I do treadmill and zumba. But mostly only one per day.0 -
The only thing we know about you is that you are 28 and female.Any advice will be much appreciated.
Your TDEE estimate suggests you are either tall and muscular or intensely active, or both ?0 -
O my word - after calculations, My TDEE is 2962 - 20% = 2369 calories per day!!! Have checked several TDEE online calculators.
Could this be right??? How on earth am I going to consume so much calories a day. I never eat that much a day!
I will surely gain weight by eating that much calories per day - well in my logical world.
Now I'm not trying to be nasty....but you obviously have been eating more than 2369 calories a day or you wouldn't be 273lbs0 -
I'd say around 2200 cals is right. And you CAN eat that much, that's how 99% of us got here in the first place. If you're struggling I'd opt for dropping the shakes, or using oils, butter, cheese or nuts in your cooking. All of those are calorie dense, so a little will go a long way. Also stay away from low fat or fat free versions of foods, there is no need for them if you're struggling to meet your goal.
Just remember, every 5-10bs, recalculate your TDEE to keep it accurate.0 -
What did you choose for an activity level?
What do you do for activity?
You are also in a position where you can go for a more aggressive cut, like 25%.
Forget the shakes. You aren't going to eat shakes at meals for the rest of your life. Since you have a lot of calories to play with you don't need two low calorie meals a day
ETA - I ran your numbers (I think) and got around 2800 with light exercise. A 25% cut will put you just over 2000 which is pretty reasonable.0 -
Natural reply Symonep. I would also have replied that.
I have medical conditions from teenage years which caused me to be obese most of my life. Under active thyroid with it :-(
Been from one doctor to another. :-(
There is days that I go by just eating dinner on a small plate. And that is no lie. Doctor recommended a healthy shake to solve the problem. (landed in hospital).
After replacing 2 meals (which i didn't had in the first place), I am so full. I am struggling to eat an apple in between meals to keep metabolism up. I am trying my best to eat something every 2-3 hours - but gosh, my tummy ache when eating so much.
I know everyone has given up on me, but I will not give up....
Doctor said that he thinks that I have damaged my metabolism really bad due to not eating enough.0 -
Thanks for all the replies.
My height is 5.5 and my weight is 273lbs. :-(
I am not so active during the day. Sitting at desk most of the day working. I try to do treadmill or zumba 30 minutes a day. Sometimes I do treadmill and zumba. But mostly only one per day.
I would estimate your TDEE at 2150 calories - lightly active using Katch-McArdle formula, 55 % body fat BMR = 1560. Some of the equations are not really applicable to people of 45 BMI as they were developed from data on much less overweight subjects.
20% of 2150 is 1720 - give that a run for a month.
Edit to add "Under active thyroid" could depress BMR below above numbers too.0 -
Yeah, your calculation was a little high, actually. Your calorie goal is 2,156 (on TDEE - 20%, lightly active). Or if you have more than a 100lb to lose then you can take off 30%.
As the above poster said - keep recalculating it as you lose the weight - the smaller you are, the less calories you need to fuel your body.
Good luck! x0 -
If you have a medical condition you cannot rely on the TDEE calculators. They are averages for people with normal functioning metabolisms. I would suggest asking for a referral to a dietician to figure out what is right for you in your specific case.
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I would estimate your TDEE at 2150 calories - lightly active using Katch-McArdle formula, 55 % body fat BMR = 1560. Some of the equations are not really applicable to people of 45 BMI as they were developed from data on much less overweight subjects.
20% of 2150 is 1720 - give that a run for a month.
Hmmm that doesn't look correct to me... Did you take the 20% off twice?0 -
I would estimate your TDEE at 2150 calories - lightly active using Katch-McArdle formula, 55 % body fat BMR = 1560. Some of the equations are not really applicable to people of 45 BMI as they were developed from data on much less overweight subjects.
20% of 2150 is 1720 - give that a run for a month.
Hmmm that doesn't look correct to me... Did you take the 20% off twice?
Don't be silly, 0.8 * 2150 = 17200 -
Thanks Hildy_J.
That is number I can try to get to a day. I am going to try it.
Will keep everyone posted.
Thanks for all the help and replies0 -
Don't be silly, 0.8 * 2150 = 1720
Yeah but how on earth did you arrive at 2,150 for TDEE? I got it at 2,772. She's 28, 273 lb, 5ft 5, setting 'lightly active'.
You're asking the poor girl to have a 1,000 calorie per day deficit! It's really important that the advice you give on here is correct.0 -
Katch McArdle formula - works on lean mass, ignores fat which has low metabolic activity.
A 273lb 5ft5 woman is a 125 lb woman in a fat suit, not a 273 lb weightlifter.
The medically approved regime for that BMI is a lot less calories than I proposed. I think your emotions are clouding your judgment - "the poor girl" has reduced thyroid activity too.0 -
I have no idea about that... I've been using the fat2fitradio TDEE calculator as advised by the 'road map' post.
As far as I'm concerned the 'road map' is the font of all weight loss knowledge.0 -
I am sorry to say this, but you need to learn how to eat properly. Shakes aren't going to help in the long run. You said that you have been obese since you were a teenager due to medical reasons and that those reasons are still there. If there is a chance that you will struggle getting to normal weight due to that alone, you are much better off doing it the healthiest way possible. Learn what food is good for you, learn about portion sizes, ease into exercise, learn as much as you can and believe in yourself that you can do it. It might take you 5 years, but if at the end you have the best and healthiest body you can have, it'll be all worth it. The more diet fads you try, the less likely you are going to succeed in keeping the weight off.
You didn't get to your weight with just a small plate of dinner. Either your small plate is actually large by comparison to other people, the food on the plate can still contain quite a few calories, you instead drink your calories, or after having several small dinner days you binge. One issue with medications could be water weight as well ... anyway, I found the following link quite illuminating for myself in a 'yep, I am eating more then I think and it's not starvation myself that makes me gain weight' kinda way.
http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/starvation-mode0 -
I got as far as the word "coma"As far as I'm concerned the 'road map' is the font of all weight loss knowledge.
Try actual science like http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11716286 with 1555 calories a day giving good fat loss and preservation of lean body mass.
If you put a body fat figure into the fat2fit calculator it gives you the Katch McArdle value, and says
"Katch-McArdle Forumla
The numbers above are fairly accurate, however they don't take into account your lean body mass. A more accurate formula that does take your lean body mass into account is the Katch-McArdle formula. Since many of us have scales that will tell us our current body fat, this formula may yield more accurate results."
Try it with 50% BF and you'll see the effect I'm referring to.0 -
Yeah I get it.
Only you're 'guessing' at the body fat value in your Katch-McThingy calculation - always better to use known values.
Anyway, we're hijacking the OP's thread which isn't good form, so.... enough!0 -
OP did you read this?! this is correct. If you have a thyroid condition you cannot use TDEE calculations.If you have a medical condition you cannot rely on the TDEE calculators. They are averages for people with normal functioning metabolisms. I would suggest asking for a referral to a dietician to figure out what is right for you in your specific case.
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OP did you read this?! this is correct. If you have a thyroid condition you cannot use TDEE calculations.If you have a medical condition you cannot rely on the TDEE calculators. They are averages for people with normal functioning metabolisms. I would suggest asking for a referral to a dietician to figure out what is right for you in your specific case.
Edited to change can to cannot.
This.
And if you are unable to afford specialist advice, then try starting at a number and stick with it for a few weeks and then reevaluate where you stand.
This is just suggestions! I am not a medical proffessional or an expert. I am using numbers that are generally accepted as not very extreme, and should not give you very fast weightloss. There are people here who will tell you that eating at 1200 calories is fine, I disagree but it does work for some. My advice is based on my own experience, I am 5'6 and started above 200lbs, I have a sedetary life except for exercise. With this example I assume that you keep exercising 30minutes pr day but do not eat exercise calories back, as it seems you are doing a bit every day but not overdoing things.. if you get into heavier exercise then you need to consider fueling that.
F.ex.
for 4 weeks eat at 2.000 calories. This should either make you maintain or give slight weightloss. With thyroid issues it might even make you gain but please dont panic, this is to give you a base to work with and you will be able to get rid of any weight gain at a later point.
You might gain and lose the same few pounds over those 4 weeks depending on your cycle. Dont panic. Look at the overall pattern of the weight: is it going down, up, or not much movement at all?
If you are gaining or maintaining, lessen the calories down by 2-300 and see how you are after 4 weeks again.
If you are losing weight, then yay. If you are losing less than 1lbs/week on average then you can probably make it a little less (1-200 less) but anywhere between 1-2lbs/week average is good.
If you are losing more than 2lbs/week on average and/or feeling like **** then increase the calories by 1-200 per day and see how you feel after a week.
Re-evaluate every 4 weeks or so.
Keep record of weight, calories eaten, and exercise for every day in excel/open office calculator. This will let you create graphs and calculate averages.
Being over/under your goal for 1 day is OK.. its the average for a few days that counts
ALSO: Please make the calories nutrient giving food, and not sugary salty crap
calorie = calorie, but in terms of how we feel in our body it makes a huge difference to get good quality nutrition. 0 -
I didn't mean for my post to make MFP members attack each other.
I was just seeking advice.
Just a quick review of my condition.
I have to take Cellfood several times a day, so that my body can have enough oxygen and that my organs can do their work properly. That is the one medical condition that no one understands or know what caused it. My body don't keep oxygen. Doctors did tests etc, couldn't find a reason for this. And I am not going to waste money on more tests!
Been 8 years now - still alive and kicking with the obesity and all!
And due to this occurrence, no dietitian is willing to work with me. Keeps saying that I will give them a bad reputation if we fail.
The few that has worked with me - after not loosing weight or losing weight but gaining it back and more - they believe I am cheating. Which I am not.
Now I know because my organs are under pressure that this can be a great reason for me not being able to loose weight and for being nausea most of the time. having an under active thyroid with it - almost a guaranteed no win situation.
Like i said before, doctors said I have to make peace with the fact that I cannot loose weight. Doctors also said I will never have children - I have 2!!!
I absolutely refuse to believe that I cannot loose weight. I have been a normal healthy person for 4 years in my early 20's.
I have tried in the past to loose weight - with small success - but there was success.
I don't deny that there was times that I went overboard - but not everyday! The point is, yes, overeating might have had a part, but certainly not the main reason why I am where I am. I was weighing about 198 lbs before this condition. After giving birth for the 2nd time, (weighing about 225 lbs) it just went uphill for me. 3 months after giving birth - I landed in hospital - my body didn't had enough oxygen. Body parts was shutting down. And since then - no solution = gaining weight. I have been maintaining my weight for about 7 months now which is a great success for me.
I wish that people could just get by the fact that if you are overweight, that is because you eat to much. Medical conditions play a big roll with obesity as well.
I am no expert in weight loss - and having an under active thyroid complicates things - But I can only try. I've been reading a lot about weight loss - maybe too much - because it is quite confusing to me now...
:-) That is why I posted this topic... the support on MFP is one of the best on the internet - every question you google - MFP pops up
@iceqieen - Thx for the great advice. Don't think I will be able to get to 2000 cal right away, but will work my way up there and then work it down again 0 -
Best of luck
the 2000 number is an arbitary number though. you might want to take it slowly with upping it or choose a different number. Do you have any idea what caused the successes? F.ex. do you know how much you were eating and exercising then?0 -
I got as far as the word "coma"As far as I'm concerned the 'road map' is the font of all weight loss knowledge.
Try actual science like http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11716286 with 1555 calories a day giving good fat loss and preservation of lean body mass.
If you put a body fat figure into the fat2fit calculator it gives you the Katch McArdle value, and says
"Katch-McArdle Forumla
The numbers above are fairly accurate, however they don't take into account your lean body mass. A more accurate formula that does take your lean body mass into account is the Katch-McArdle formula. Since many of us have scales that will tell us our current body fat, this formula may yield more accurate results."
Try it with 50% BF and you'll see the effect I'm referring to.
I just put my numbers in on this and got basically the same as the other tdee calculators. I do like putting in the bf%, but not everyone knows theirs or they aren't accurate. Very interesting though!0 -
I have similar starting stats to you, op. I started here 29, 275, 5'4. I've been eating over 2000 cals, currently doing 2100, and have lost almost 70 lbs since I started in Jan and over 90 total from my highest weight. Good luck!0
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I didn't mean for my post to make MFP members attack each other.
I was just seeking advice.
Just a quick review of my condition.
I have to take Cellfood several times a day, so that my body can have enough oxygen and that my organs can do their work properly. That is the one medical condition that no one understands or know what caused it. My body don't keep oxygen. Doctors did tests etc, couldn't find a reason for this. And I am not going to waste money on more tests!
Been 8 years now - still alive and kicking with the obesity and all!
And due to this occurrence, no dietitian is willing to work with me. Keeps saying that I will give them a bad reputation if we fail.
The few that has worked with me - after not loosing weight or losing weight but gaining it back and more - they believe I am cheating. Which I am not.
Now I know because my organs are under pressure that this can be a great reason for me not being able to loose weight and for being nausea most of the time. having an under active thyroid with it - almost a guaranteed no win situation.
Like i said before, doctors said I have to make peace with the fact that I cannot loose weight. Doctors also said I will never have children - I have 2!!!
I absolutely refuse to believe that I cannot loose weight. I have been a normal healthy person for 4 years in my early 20's.
I have tried in the past to loose weight - with small success - but there was success.
I don't deny that there was times that I went overboard - but not everyday! The point is, yes, overeating might have had a part, but certainly not the main reason why I am where I am. I was weighing about 198 lbs before this condition. After giving birth for the 2nd time, (weighing about 225 lbs) it just went uphill for me. 3 months after giving birth - I landed in hospital - my body didn't had enough oxygen. Body parts was shutting down. And since then - no solution = gaining weight. I have been maintaining my weight for about 7 months now which is a great success for me.
I wish that people could just get by the fact that if you are overweight, that is because you eat to much. Medical conditions play a big roll with obesity as well.
I am no expert in weight loss - and having an under active thyroid complicates things - But I can only try. I've been reading a lot about weight loss - maybe too much - because it is quite confusing to me now...
:-) That is why I posted this topic... the support on MFP is one of the best on the internet - every question you google - MFP pops up
@iceqieen - Thx for the great advice. Don't think I will be able to get to 2000 cal right away, but will work my way up there and then work it down again
No one is attacking, one was questioning the other answered.
Honestly - it is impossible for you to not lose weight. Medical factors may make it more difficult for you than others but it is not impossible. It will make it much harder if you choose to believe you can't.
What is cell food and who put you on it?
You may also want to open your diary.0 -
If you have a medical condition you cannot rely on the TDEE calculators. They are averages for people with normal functioning metabolisms. I would suggest asking for a referral to a dietician to figure out what is right for you in your specific case.
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I agree. If you have medical issues related to metabolism or hormones, all bets are off until those things are stable, you cannot rely on the calculators.0 -
O my word - after calculations, My TDEE is 2962 - 20% = 2369 calories per day!!! Have checked several TDEE online calculators.
Could this be right??? How on earth am I going to consume so much calories a day. I never eat that much a day!
I will surely gain weight by eating that much calories per day - well in my logical world.
Now I'm not trying to be nasty....but you obviously have been eating more than 2369 calories a day or you wouldn't be 273lbs
This is just not a nice thing to say (I'm not trying to be nasty either) but not knowing enough about a person and automatically assuming they are eating an exorbitant amount of calories indicates all overweight people are gluttons.
That discounts any and ALL medical issues, of which it turns out the OP has which can stymie weight loss.
Just because someone is overweight, doesn't mean they are sloths & gluttons. Maybe that's the reason the OP used the word 'attacked'....0 -
O my word - after calculations, My TDEE is 2962 - 20% = 2369 calories per day!!! Have checked several TDEE online calculators.
Could this be right??? How on earth am I going to consume so much calories a day. I never eat that much a day!
I will surely gain weight by eating that much calories per day - well in my logical world.
Now I'm not trying to be nasty....but you obviously have been eating more than 2369 calories a day or you wouldn't be 273lbs
This is just not a nice thing to say (I'm not trying to be nasty either) but not knowing enough about a person and automatically assuming they are eating an exorbitant amount of calories indicates all overweight people are gluttons.
That discounts any and ALL medical issues, of which it turns out the OP has which can stymie weight loss.
Just because someone is overweight, doesn't mean they are sloths & gluttons. Maybe that's the reason the OP used the word 'attacked'....
The Op replied to that questionNatural reply Symonep. I would also have replied that.
I was under the impression that the attack was reference the exchange over formulas.0
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