any lap banders out there?

Weight loss surgery has proven to provide health benefits that are not found in slower weight loss programs. It's not without risk and it's own challenges though, so what is "better" is subjective.

Can you please tell me what health benefits it provides that are not found in slower weightloss programs? I am not being a d!ck either I really would like to know.

Edited because typing on my phone leads to massive spelling errors.

Spelling errors don't bother me. The most dramatic difference that I've heard of is that children born to women who have had weight loss surgery often have less genetic obesity markers than children born before they had the surgery.

In diabetics, HbA1c levels are stastically lower for weight loss surgery patients, even several years out, than those that lost through exercise and diet alone.

I'm not pro- or anti- weight loss surgery, BTW. I'm just anti- telling others what they should or should not do because I'm "expert" enough to create an account on a free internet site.

I'm sorry but weight loss surgery somehow affects genetics??????

Weight loss surgery has proven to provide health benefits that are not found in slower weight loss programs. It's not without risk and it's own challenges though, so what is "better" is subjective.

Can you please tell me what health benefits it provides that are not found in slower weightloss programs? I am not being a d!ck either I really would like to know.

Edited because typing on my phone leads to massive spelling errors.

Spelling errors don't bother me. The most dramatic difference that I've heard of is that children born to women who have had weight loss surgery often have less genetic obesity markers than children born before they had the surgery.

In diabetics, HbA1c levels are stastically lower for weight loss surgery patients, even several years out, than those that lost through exercise and diet alone.

I'm not pro- or anti- weight loss surgery, BTW. I'm just anti- telling others what they should or should not do because I'm "expert" enough to create an account on a free internet site.

I'm sorry but weight loss surgery somehow affects genetics??????

Yes.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57586480/moms-who-had-weight-loss-surgery-may-pass-on-healthier-genes/

To point out, it wasn't the surgery but the fact that the mother lost the weight prior to having the child. The surgery doesn't affect someone's genetics.

Weight loss surgery has proven to provide health benefits that are not found in slower weight loss programs. It's not without risk and it's own challenges though, so what is "better" is subjective.

Can you please tell me what health benefits it provides that are not found in slower weightloss programs? I am not being a d!ck either I really would like to know.

Edited because typing on my phone leads to massive spelling errors.

Spelling errors don't bother me. The most dramatic difference that I've heard of is that children born to women who have had weight loss surgery often have less genetic obesity markers than children born before they had the surgery.

In diabetics, HbA1c levels are stastically lower for weight loss surgery patients, even several years out, than those that lost through exercise and diet alone.

I'm not pro- or anti- weight loss surgery, BTW. I'm just anti- telling others what they should or should not do because I'm "expert" enough to create an account on a free internet site.

I'm sorry but weight loss surgery somehow affects genetics??????

Yes.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57586480/moms-who-had-weight-loss-surgery-may-pass-on-healthier-genes/

isn't it more so to the fact that that mother can no longer eat the quantity of food she previously was able to eat and has had to make a complete 180 in her diet which probably means the kids are eating more along the lines of there mother/parents which in retrospect the children stand less of a chance of becoming obese which improves their health markers as well... I would believe that over the other....

Weight loss surgery has proven to provide health benefits that are not found in slower weight loss programs. It's not without risk and it's own challenges though, so what is "better" is subjective.

Can you please tell me what health benefits it provides that are not found in slower weightloss programs? I am not being a d!ck either I really would like to know.

Edited because typing on my phone leads to massive spelling errors.

Spelling errors don't bother me. The most dramatic difference that I've heard of is that children born to women who have had weight loss surgery often have less genetic obesity markers than children born before they had the surgery.

In diabetics, HbA1c levels are stastically lower for weight loss surgery patients, even several years out, than those that lost through exercise and diet alone.

I'm not pro- or anti- weight loss surgery, BTW. I'm just anti- telling others what they should or should not do because I'm "expert" enough to create an account on a free internet site.

If you are referring to the Dampil "study" it's not a very good study and your conclusion is incorrect - the "conventional therapy" he compared was not for "those that lost through exercise alone" but those that tried conventional therapy and did not lose.

So yes weight loss surgery shows lower HbA1c vs patients that did not lose via conventional therapy but this is a meta study that only included a few studies versus other studies that have actually shown no difference in diabetic markets on weight loss method, as long as equivalent loss amounts are seen.

Weight loss surgery has proven to provide health benefits that are not found in slower weight loss programs. It's not without risk and it's own challenges though, so what is "better" is subjective.

Can you please tell me what health benefits it provides that are not found in slower weightloss programs? I am not being a d!ck either I really would like to know.

Edited because typing on my phone leads to massive spelling errors.

Spelling errors don't bother me. The most dramatic difference that I've heard of is that children born to women who have had weight loss surgery often have less genetic obesity markers than children born before they had the surgery.

In diabetics, HbA1c levels are stastically lower for weight loss surgery patients, even several years out, than those that lost through exercise and diet alone.

I'm not pro- or anti- weight loss surgery, BTW. I'm just anti- telling others what they should or should not do because I'm "expert" enough to create an account on a free internet site.

I'm sorry but weight loss surgery somehow affects genetics??????

Yes.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57586480/moms-who-had-weight-loss-surgery-may-pass-on-healthier-genes/

isn't it more so to the fact that that mother can no longer eat the quantity of food she previously was able to eat and has had to make a complete 180 in her diet which probably means the kids are eating more along the lines of there mother/parents which in retrospect the children stand less of a chance of becoming obese which improves their health markers as well... I would believe that over the other....

This is actually an interesting study but it is really a good argument to lose weight.

The study found that expression of genes (and not the actual genes themselves) was modified in patients that had lost a lot of weight (via surgery) versus their twins. The study does not compare gene methylation between people that lost via surgery vs other ways.

The only reasonable conclusion that can be reached is that gene expression is complex and isn't just regulated by the genes themselves but by the maternal environment prior to birth - epigenetics at it's finest.

Unfortunately, the spin that the media have taken is that since this occured in surgery patients - it's the surgery, not the essential weight loss.

I think this is a different study. This is about the genetic differences in children born to female patients who have had surgery when compared to children born to the same women while they were obese.

But the twin study sounds interesting.

ETA: OP, sorry for highjacking your thread. I just find all this data they are now gathering on weight loss pts fascinating. :flowerforyou:

OP good luck. Glad you've apparently got lots of medical folks on board, and I'm sorry to hear of your other health problems that are making weight loss harder.

FWIW. My ex was obese, likely in the morbidly section of BMI -- don't know as he isn't my problem any more. He also had high cholesterol, uncontrolled diabetes, a tendency to have an external locus of control and to view a meal as a challenge as to how much he could put away. He was a sloth.

I don't think you are any of these things. This man is unique and always surprising, I'm just painting a picture of someone with a lot against him healthwise.

Last winter he was ordered to find a job or risk jail. So he got bronchitis. And pneumonia. Not a job. He laid around even more than usual. Then they were about to go to court to enforce the job or jail sentence order and within 2 days he's being admitted to the Mayo Clinic with congestive heart failure at 39 years old. He says there's viral myowhositwhatsit that caused it. He's gonna be discharge the next day so he has a stroke that night. Because he's at the Mayo Clinic (on the taxpayer dime btw) he does not die but is partially blinded cannot get his words and their meanings straight and is slurring speech and unable to walk. Daily therapy from three kinds of therapists and a couple of seizures later he's released, rehospitalized and released again. Lots if outpatient therapy and the DASH diet.

Here we are about 8 months later with him applying for Social Security and trying to get me to pay child support because he cant work. But thanks to medical miracles he's still with us.

Medical miracles sure. And that DASH diet. And daily walks. With that, this guy taking handfuls of meds each day has managed to lose probably 80 pounds. Just diet and exercise. And that guy will probably live for years. Joy.

So do what you want and good luck. But don't underestimate what diet and exercise can do.

For the love of everything in the universe DO NOT have a stupid lapband. My parents signed me up to get one at 17 and I spent years unable to keep down so much as water and my own spit. I would literally throw up my own spit. I wish I was kidding. Yeah, I lost. But I also went nearly a week at a time without being able to keep down anything. You go, get a fill, $100. Too tight, you puke. Unfill $100. You can eat too much, get a fill $100. Too tight, puke, $100 to unfill. I had my unfilled and still could not keep down water. There was NOTHING in it.

I lived off of soup/mashed potatoes every THREE days because that's about how often I could keep food down.

-116 later, BY MYSELF.

It's awful, seriously.

Stop eating crap food and move your *kitten*.

^^^^ THIS