net carbs vs carbs? atkins gone wrong

You don't know if her 3 pounds is water weight..

Yes, i do know.

It is physically impossible to loss that much as fat, in that short a period of time, short of using a scalpel. This is a very well understood phenomenon of low-carbing.

You're one of my MFP forum heroes. :drinker:

You need to join Low carb or Keto forums. I would refrain from posting on the main forums as you'll get a lot of non-friendly responses and lots of big headed opinions regarding low carbs.

As far as counting carbs. You need to count and log net carbs.

Exactly. Net carbs are your fibers, which are very important!

I have to eat low carb because I have diabetes. But I don't go TOO low. Low carb does make you lose weight but staying on it for the rest of your life may be difficult at best. Committing yourself to eating 20g of carbs forever is quite a commitment and if you can do it, I applaud you. But I allow myself between 90 and 100g a day on average. Keeps my blood sugar within parameters and you still lose weight. I don't use net carbs counts because that just tends to make me eat more carbs.

20 net carbs is only for the first 2 weeks to get your body into ketosis. After that you are supposed to gradually increase your net carb intake until you stop loosing weight. Then go back down 5 -10 net carbs so you slowly loose a bit per week. Then once you are at your goal you increase by 10 net carbs a week until you can stay at your goal.

There are so many people here who know nothing about the Atkins Lifestyle but continue to bash it. Either read the entire book or don't say anything. Also do not just eat low carb and say you are on Atkins because that's not it...

MFP is great for tracking net carbs. fat and protein. I just ignore calories.

As far as sticking to it for life, maybe I have more willpower than you. Maybe I love my kids enough to stay away from candy, pepsi, and other poisons.

I eat bread, pasta, pizza, whatever I want to. I just have to stay within my carb limitations or go low for a few days to lose what I gained.

Remember this lifestyle was developed and perfected by a doctor.

Wow, really? Anyone who eats candy or drinks a Pepsi doesn't love their kids as much as you do?


You're really doing a lot there to dispel the notion that people on low carb diets are snobs who push their lifestyle on others.

I like doing low carb, it works for me and I'm comfortable with it.

Others, it won't work or they have difficulty sticking to it and that's fine.

The thing I will agree with though are people who assume what Atkins is and say things like "I could never live off of only 20 grams of carbs forever". That's incorrect. Its not forever. I'm really sick of uneducated people saying things like that and try to tell me that my lifestyle is impossible.

Potentially, huge difference.

What if all those carbs is fiber to provide recommended to the body?

There's 20 carbs your body doesn't actually get to use.

All I can say is, don't do a bunch of cardio, unless really slow and easy. If you are going to follow it, read up on exercise recommendations too and follow that.

Be prepared for great water weight drop as your storage of glucose drops. And that is Lean Body Mass, and that is metabolism, so that instantly lowers too.

Losing water weight will not lower your lean body mass, nor slow your metabolism.

Losing water weight associated with stored glucose, as I was specific with, is NOT fat mass, therefore it is NON-fat mass, which is the same as Lean Body Mass.

Only 2 distinctions in body composition when it comes to metabolism, fat mass and fat-free mass (LBM).

LBM has the largest effect on metabolism, so much so fat mass can be ignored, unless extremely obese.
5 organs of the LBM have the biggest impact on metabolism. Liver with glucose stores and attached water is one of them and the process done on supplying that to the blood.
Muscle comes down the line.
Of the muscle metabolism, dealing with glucose stores and associated water attached is majority of metabolism. Glucose used for energy, water removed from cell and dealt with.

You stop storing a bunch of glucose because of low carb diet, your body no longer is dealing with a bunch of water it would otherwise, less energy spent on that, lower metabolism.

You can look up the estimates based on how much muscle you think you have, can range from 100-300 calories daily. Of course if only 100, probably didn't lose much water weight either as must not have much storage.

Wow, really? Anyone who eats candy or drinks a Pepsi doesn't love their kids as much as you do?


You're really doing a lot there to dispel the notion that people on low carb diets are snobs who push their lifestyle on others.

Thanks for your input, very informative on the subject!

I have to eat low carb because I have diabetes. But I don't go TOO low. Low carb does make you lose weight but staying on it for the rest of your life may be difficult at best. Committing yourself to eating 20g of carbs forever is quite a commitment and if you can do it, I applaud you. But I allow myself between 90 and 100g a day on average. Keeps my blood sugar within parameters and you still lose weight. I don't use net carbs counts because that just tends to make me eat more carbs.

20 net carbs is only for the first 2 weeks to get your body into ketosis. After that you are supposed to gradually increase your net carb intake until you stop loosing weight. Then go back down 5 -10 net carbs so you slowly loose a bit per week. Then once you are at your goal you increase by 10 net carbs a week until you can stay at your goal.

There are so many people here who know nothing about the Atkins Lifestyle but continue to bash it. Either read the entire book or don't say anything. Also do not just eat low carb and say you are on Atkins because that's not it...

MFP is great for tracking net carbs. fat and protein. I just ignore calories.

As far as sticking to it for life, maybe I have more willpower than you. Maybe I love my kids enough to stay away from candy, pepsi, and other poisons.

I eat bread, pasta, pizza, whatever I want to. I just have to stay within my carb limitations or go low for a few days to lose what I gained.

Remember this lifestyle was developed and perfected by a doctor.

Wow, really? Anyone who eats candy or drinks a Pepsi doesn't love their kids as much as you do?


You're really doing a lot there to dispel the notion that people on low carb diets are snobs who push their lifestyle on others.

I like doing low carb, it works for me and I'm comfortable with it.

Others, it won't work or they have difficulty sticking to it and that's fine.

The thing I will agree with though are people who assume what Atkins is and say things like "I could never live off of only 20 grams of carbs forever". That's incorrect. Its not forever. I'm really sick of uneducated people saying things like that and try to tell me that my lifestyle is impossible.

I agree 100%. Not a single person here has read the book or understands the diet but has plenty to say about it. Of course their way is the only way!

Hello,

Net Carbs are a made up equation promulgated by the diet industry to sell phony low carb food-like items.....The only thing that fiber does is slow the absorption of the glucose, it doesnt stop it......So, use your total carbs or you'll have trouble getting into ketosis and burning fat for fuel.....Fiber is another gimmick made up by big agribusiness as well, look it up......

I have to eat low carb because I have diabetes. But I don't go TOO low. Low carb does make you lose weight but staying on it for the rest of your life may be difficult at best. Committing yourself to eating 20g of carbs forever is quite a commitment and if you can do it, I applaud you. But I allow myself between 90 and 100g a day on average. Keeps my blood sugar within parameters and you still lose weight. I don't use net carbs counts because that just tends to make me eat more carbs.

20 net carbs is only for the first 2 weeks to get your body into ketosis. After that you are supposed to gradually increase your net carb intake until you stop loosing weight. Then go back down 5 -10 net carbs so you slowly loose a bit per week. Then once you are at your goal you increase by 10 net carbs a week until you can stay at your goal.

There are so many people here who know nothing about the Atkins Lifestyle but continue to bash it. Either read the entire book or don't say anything. Also do not just eat low carb and say you are on Atkins because that's not it...

MFP is great for tracking net carbs. fat and protein. I just ignore calories.

As far as sticking to it for life, maybe I have more willpower than you. Maybe I love my kids enough to stay away from candy, pepsi, and other poisons.

I eat bread, pasta, pizza, whatever I want to. I just have to stay within my carb limitations or go low for a few days to lose what I gained.

Remember this lifestyle was developed and perfected by a doctor.

Wow, really? Anyone who eats candy or drinks a Pepsi doesn't love their kids as much as you do?


You're really doing a lot there to dispel the notion that people on low carb diets are snobs who push their lifestyle on others.

I like doing low carb, it works for me and I'm comfortable with it.

Others, it won't work or they have difficulty sticking to it and that's fine.

The thing I will agree with though are people who assume what Atkins is and say things like "I could never live off of only 20 grams of carbs forever". That's incorrect. Its not forever. I'm really sick of uneducated people saying things like that and try to tell me that my lifestyle is impossible.

I agree 100%. Not a single person here has read the book or understands the diet but has plenty to say about it. Of course their way is the only way!

Holy COW! My humble apologies for not being an Atkins expert. But there ARE people out there that do try to stick to 20g of carbs a day FOREVER. I would never try to push anything on anyone. As I said, if someone can limit their carbs that drastically, you go! As for the candy and Pepsi poison, all I can do is :laugh: . I can't remember the last time I had a Pepsi and although I do , occasionally indulge in a little sugar free candy, I can''t say my kids feel unloved as a result. Maybe someone should write a book on THAT.