What supplements do you or did you take?

1.) Protein powder
2.) Fish oil
3.) Multi-vitamin

The rest of the time I'm eating healthy, lots of fruit, vegetables, whole grains, lean meat, nuts, yogurt, cottage cheese, etc. Works good for me.

Bulk Powders
PWO
Agmatine @3g
Citrulline Malate @6g
DAA (D-Aspartic Acid) @ 3.5g
Erase Pro @ 3 caps per day

Xtend BCAA
Controlled Labs Oximega fish oil
Controlled Labs Orange Triad Multivitamin
All-Max Creapure Creatine
Muscletech Whey protein

Identical stack when I cut just maybe add some Dexaprine

meh Im not the craziest about thermogenics the Citrulline Malate Ive personally never had. Interesting stack does it give you the endurance you're after? How do you feel without it? Your PWO I am referring to the rest is pretty identical to most

I don't use any thermos. There isn't a single thermo in my stack..
The agmatine and Cit Mal are the key ingredients in Hemovol. They promote vascularity/increased pumps. You buy them in bulk and save alot of $ by not having to buy Hemovol and get even better benefits because you can jack up dosage depending on your needs.
The DAA (D-Aspartic Acid) I also get in bulk has been proven to raise T levels by quite alot, stacked with Erase, keeps estrogen and estrogen related sides at bey. I cycle the DAA/Erase and this will be my 2nd cycle. Had amazing results with bloodwork showing a 75% increase in free testosterone after my last cycle.

1.) Protein powder
2.) Fish oil
3.) Multi-vitamin

The rest of the time I'm eating healthy, lots of fruit, vegetables, whole grains, lean meat, nuts, yogurt, cottage cheese, etc. Works good for me.

mmm if you are hitting your goals of protein in the lean meats+nuts+yogurt/cheese department, then the protein powder isn't necessary that could save ya a few bucks

Except whey is a fast digesting protein which is what you want pwo to take advantage of that anabolic window and the bodies increased sensitivity to insulin.

and so is fish. I have personally never really been too afraid of an anabolic window and I have seen gains outside of it. As a matter of fact I usually don't get in any protein untill about 3 hours after my workouts and I am still getting the muscle gains I was after. I use to be terrified of not getting in a protein shake of some sort right after my workout but when I stopped I didn't notice a change at all and was still getting gains in the gym. But of course to each his own

Meal timing is irrelevant..I'm just referring to what is OPTIMUM...tons of studies have been done citing the benefits of whey post workout due to its increased absorption rate.

Here's one for example

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/berardi4.htm
"The faster the protein and carbohydrates get to the muscle, the better your chances for muscle building and recovery. Current research has demonstrated that subjects receiving nutrients within one hour after exercise recover more quickly than subjects receiving nutrients three hours after exercise. Liquid nutrition is making more sense, isn't it?"

References at the bottom

1.) Protein powder
2.) Fish oil
3.) Multi-vitamin

The rest of the time I'm eating healthy, lots of fruit, vegetables, whole grains, lean meat, nuts, yogurt, cottage cheese, etc. Works good for me.

mmm if you are hitting your goals of protein in the lean meats+nuts+yogurt/cheese department, then the protein powder isn't necessary that could save ya a few bucks

Except whey is a fast digesting protein which is what you want pwo to take advantage of that anabolic window and the bodies increased sensitivity to insulin.

and so is fish. I have personally never really been too afraid of an anabolic window and I have seen gains outside of it. As a matter of fact I usually don't get in any protein untill about 3 hours after my workouts and I am still getting the muscle gains I was after. I use to be terrified of not getting in a protein shake of some sort right after my workout but when I stopped I didn't notice a change at all and was still getting gains in the gym. But of course to each his own

Meal timing is irrelevant..I'm just referring to what is OPTIMUM...tons of studies have been done citing the benefits of whey post workout due to its increased absorption rate.

Here's one for example

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/berardi4.htm
"The faster the protein and carbohydrates get to the muscle, the better your chances for muscle building and recovery. Current research has demonstrated that subjects receiving nutrients within one hour after exercise recover more quickly than subjects receiving nutrients three hours after exercise. Liquid nutrition is making more sense, isn't it?"

References at the bottom

See thats the thing for every article there is usually an article to dispute it. I am not saying whey protein is unnecessary, I take it too and yes it has a nearly 100% absorption rate, what I am saying is for that person's particular diet he can offset the need for it cause his diet is really good. Article below
http://www.protraineronline.com/nutrition/protein-supplements-vs-protein-foods/

snippet:
Most bodybuilders and strength athletes already consume more than enough protein, so the importance of BV to these athletes who are already consuming enough protein has been overplayed. Even though whey has a higher BV than chicken breast, fish, or milk protein, if the total quantity of protein you consume is sufficient, then it is not likely that substituting whey for food proteins will result in any additional muscle.

You're right I'm just viewing it from a nutrient timing perspective (If you believe in it)..but you should avoid drinking your calories when you can. Did you see the amazon link I posted? Pretty cool huh? Poor people like me have to save that$