Cow's milk

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  • watfordjc
    watfordjc Posts: 304 Member
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    All mammals drink milk from other mammals, and given the choice would also drink from bottles and cartons. Milk is milk, as long as it is digestible, doesn't matter.

    Here is a giraffe drinking goats milk from a bottle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GGD4YcKn20

    Here is a tiger drinking what I assume is cows milk from a carton: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9btOLl9lgs

    Here are some piglets and tiger cubs drinking milk from a pig: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh69TFGpQB8

    Here is a dog drinking milk from a cow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBn89okOpWc

    Here is a goat drinking milk from a cow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77xs4KBTeW0

    Here are some bats drinking goats milk from a paintbrush: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnlJOGUUKIY

    I could go on.
    People who drink lots of milk may develop lactose intolerance, we have developed peanut allergies through over exposure to peanut products.

    Do you have any evidence to back that up? It is my understanding that there is a theory that stopping consumption of milk may cause lactose intolerance. It is commonly understood that the reason those of Western European descent can digest lactose in the first place is because we are descended from those that consumed dairy products because they farmed cattle and eventually evolution gave them the lactase enzyme.

    As for peanut allergies, could it be that less people are dying from anaphylactic shock and therefore are making it into their teenage and adult years since the EpiPen was invented in 1980? I will be honest: I haven't looked at the NHS-IC and ONS figures to see if my theory has any merit, so might have as much of a basis in science as your theory or the one that the more immunisations we are given the more likely we are to have allergies (not so dissimilar to the theory that allergies are caused by houses being too clean). I fail to see how I can develop an allergy to chocolate just by eating a lot of it. If things worked that way humans would have died out by becoming allergic to water.
  • lsapphire
    lsapphire Posts: 297 Member
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    When my kids were little cows milk was no big deal. The only concern was lactose intolerance and fat content. We went with 2% milk and my kids did great.
  • MizTerry
    MizTerry Posts: 3,763 Member
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    If you're asking for opinions, I'd opt for milk. I put my kids on it at about 10 months.

    You are the parent, and many times, the parent knows best. There will be oodles of scare-mongers out there all your childs life. The bogey man is NOT milk.
  • Flab2fitfi
    Flab2fitfi Posts: 1,349 Member
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    Not a problem with cow's milk, but make sure that it is organic. Stay away from Soy milk at all cost, especially for someone so young. In fact soy milk should not be given to children.

    Why should soy milk not be given to children? Honestly curious, not trying to say you are wrong.

    I have 2 children on Soya milk because they cant have milk. Both were given it under the guidance of both a paediatrician and a dietician. My 3 year old has been on it since 18 months.

    On the giving children cows milk go for it. My eldest is a teenager and drinks it by the pint.
  • TigerBite
    TigerBite Posts: 611 Member
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    Milk (whether cow, sheep, or goat ... or other animal) is perfectly fine ... unless you have an allergy or intolerance (and even an intolerance is usually remedied by having cultured dairy, or trying dairy from other animal, like goat instead of cow ... Casein allergy is really they only reason to shun milk products altogether, you know, anaphylactic shock is never fun) ...
  • FerretBuellerr
    FerretBuellerr Posts: 468 Member
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    Not a problem with cow's milk, but make sure that it is organic. Stay away from Soy milk at all cost, especially for someone so young. In fact soy milk should not be given to children.

    Why should soy milk not be given to children? Honestly curious, not trying to say you are wrong.

    I don't know if this is what the poster was getting at, but soy is one of the largest produces GMO products in the US. If you're someone who knows what GMOs are and think they aren't a good thing, then that would be a good enough reason why.

    I did a quick search and came up with this article that does discuss soy milk and infants, and this is what it said (note: I just looked quickly, so there may be a better article that describes it, or falsifies it):

    A whopping 35 percent of bottle-fed babies in the United States receive at least some of their protein from soy. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) is taking steps to change this: It recommends that all infants who cannot be breastfed be given cow's-milk formulas as the first preferred alternative. Healthy full-term infants should be given soy formula only when medically necessary, the AAP's 2008 report states. Babies with an extreme form of lactose intolerance fall into this category, but many others who suffer from colic and excessive crying are switched to soy formula despite a lack of proven benefits.

    Paul Cooke, Ph.D., a reproductive biologist at the University of Illinois, has studied mice raised on enough genistein to make their blood levels comparable to those of human infants fed soy formula. Among other worrisome findings, he discovered significant shrinkage of the thymus gland, a key part of the immune system. "The thymus," says Cooke, "is like a finishing school for white blood cells—it's where they go to mature."

    Whether the same effect occurs in human infants is difficult to say, but a 2001 study in the Journal of the American Medical Association surveyed over 800 adults, ages 20 to 34, who were fed either soy-based or cow's-milk formulas during their infancy. One of the few differences to emerge was that the group raised on soy formula regularly used more asthma and allergy medications in adulthood. Was this just a quirk of the sampling—or could it represent a subtle impairment of immune function?

    http://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/soys-negative-effects/page/1
  • rbear713
    rbear713 Posts: 220 Member
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    Simple Answer. YAY MILK!!!
  • ImSoOTired
    ImSoOTired Posts: 186 Member
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    @Ferret, really interesting. I was not aware of this, thanks for researching.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
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    Not a problem with cow's milk, but make sure that it is organic. Stay away from Soy milk at all cost, especially for someone so young. In fact soy milk should not be given to children.

    Why should soy milk not be given to children? Honestly curious, not trying to say you are wrong.

    I don't know if this is what the poster was getting at, but soy is one of the largest produces GMO products in the US. If you're someone who knows what GMOs are and think they aren't a good thing, then that would be a good enough reason why.

    I did a quick search and came up with this article that does discuss soy milk and infants, and this is what it said (note: I just looked quickly, so there may be a better article that describes it, or falsifies it):

    A whopping 35 percent of bottle-fed babies in the United States receive at least some of their protein from soy. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) is taking steps to change this: It recommends that all infants who cannot be breastfed be given cow's-milk formulas as the first preferred alternative. Healthy full-term infants should be given soy formula only when medically necessary, the AAP's 2008 report states. Babies with an extreme form of lactose intolerance fall into this category, but many others who suffer from colic and excessive crying are switched to soy formula despite a lack of proven benefits.

    Paul Cooke, Ph.D., a reproductive biologist at the University of Illinois, has studied mice raised on enough genistein to make their blood levels comparable to those of human infants fed soy formula. Among other worrisome findings, he discovered significant shrinkage of the thymus gland, a key part of the immune system. "The thymus," says Cooke, "is like a finishing school for white blood cells—it's where they go to mature."

    Whether the same effect occurs in human infants is difficult to say, but a 2001 study in the Journal of the American Medical Association surveyed over 800 adults, ages 20 to 34, who were fed either soy-based or cow's-milk formulas during their infancy. One of the few differences to emerge was that the group raised on soy formula regularly used more asthma and allergy medications in adulthood. Was this just a quirk of the sampling—or could it represent a subtle impairment of immune function?

    http://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/soys-negative-effects/page/1

    Soy milk is rarely, if ever, made from GMO soy (I've never been able to find a brand that is). While it is true that Americans eat a high amount of GMO soy, it is from processed food additives, NOT from soy milk.

    Kids get soy mostly from chicken nuggets and pizza and other preprepared foods.
  • CorlissaEats
    CorlissaEats Posts: 493 Member
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    I am probably in the "Humans shouldn't drink cow's milk" group. But I still use some dairy products in moderation. The crux of it for me is the definition of milk's purpose. Cow's milk is a lactating fluid SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO TURN A 65 LB CALF INTO A 1000 LB COW. Plus humans are the only species out there that purposefully drinks the lactating fluid of another animal. You can say that other species drink, but if humans are the ones giving it to them I don't think it counts. In nature, you don't see lions suckling goats, etc. But beyond that is also the fact that a majority of the world's population is estimated to have some degree of lactose intolerance whether they know it or not. Our bodies can only tolerate so much of it as evidenced by the limited lactase enzyme in our gut -so can we really call it food? Edible does not equal good for us.

    Milk as a key source of calcium for the human population is propaganda from the Dairy industry. Its just the quickest and maybe the smallest dose for the amount it gives us. Its not the only source. That said, I believe the research telling us that full fat milk contributes to brain development in children, so if you Doc advises it and your kid isn't lactose intolerant-- then milk is good. Go for it.
  • cadaverousbones
    cadaverousbones Posts: 421 Member
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    I would say it is perfectly fine to give her cows milk. Look for signs of lactose intolerance though because a lot of people are. I would get the organic milk (been drinking it for years and won't go back to non organic) My favorite is the Organic Valley brand if you have that in your area. Coscto also has organic milk. If you do get soy milk ever make sure its organic because they put a lot of weird stuff in non organic soy. IF the doctor says its fine, and she's not allergic, its safe :)

    & About the issues that its "not natural" well neither is making a hamburger, making a pizza, or even processing wheat into bread... but those are other debates for another day :P
  • ImSoOTired
    ImSoOTired Posts: 186 Member
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    @ Corlissa I respect your opinion. It's interesting to hear the other side of it.
  • GadgetGuy2
    GadgetGuy2 Posts: 291 Member
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    Last paragraph for my opinion, But first, some clarification of "lactose intolerance".

    1.) All mammals (animals with mammaries) produce the enzyme lactase in their intestine. Without it, the lactose sugar gets digested by bacrteria instead by the animal that drank the dairy (don't give milk to a grown cat!!!!!!) the bacterial digestion produces huge amounts of gas and diarrhea, probably leading to dehydration and death.

    2.) Most mammals quit making the lactase enzyme soon after the time that they quit drinking their mother's milk. This saves the calories and stock chemicals from being wasted in the child'd body producing an enzyme that won't get used.

    3.) Some sub-populations of humans (e.g. Europeans and 4 different sub-populations of Africans) have changed in that they don't loose the lactase making ability until later life (e.g. 1 in 10 Europeans become lactose intolerant before death). Most of the world, is lactose intolerant after early childhood like most animals. Thus, for most humans in the world, consuming diary products (cow or otherwise) past early childhood if VERY problematic. This may be why you will hear a lot of people from those sub-populations say drinking milk is bad for you. IT IS, for them, but that doesn't mean people who retain the ability to synthesize lactase shouldn't drink milk (e.g. Europeans).

    4.) I do not know of any other animals that consume milk (their own species or otherwise) beyond early childhood. While I have a degree in Zoology, there might be and I just don't know that. I also don't know of any other specie besides man, that has domesticated another mammalian specie. I do know of non-mammalian domestication of another non-mammalian specie (e.g. dome ants farm fungus on leaves the collect from above the ground). Thus, I don't see an argument that other animals don't drink milk beyond early childhood as a valid argument for humans to not drink milk beyond early childhood (i.e. have you ever tried to milk a willd animal? I suspect you would get hurt by that mammalian mother.....thus, domestication seems to be a pre-requisite to milking which is a pre-requisite to drinking milk beyond your own mother's milk.

    Finally, besides my degree in zoology (which include studies in biochemistry and genetics), I am of European decent and I became lactose intolerant around the age of 55. I drank milk profusely throughout my life. I still do, with the help of lactase pills to replace the lactase my body used to make.

    So...given the above...my opinion is, depending on your ethnic heritage with regards to the ability to digest lactose past early childhood, give it a try (e.g. if you're primarily of European decent). Milk is great nutrition for a growing body: protein, sugar, fats, etc.
  • ladymiseryali
    ladymiseryali Posts: 2,555 Member
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    Don't listen to dumbasses. I've drank milk throughout childhood and I haven't grown any extra limbs or anything.
  • callie006
    callie006 Posts: 151 Member
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    Like others have said, go with your pediatrician. Keep in mind that on average, human breast milk has a higher lactose content than cow's milk, so from the that standpoint, toddlers generally have no issues with lactose intolerance. That's an issue that starts in the post weaning years, only in certain individuals.
  • KANGOOJUMPS
    KANGOOJUMPS Posts: 6,472 Member
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    cows milk is GOOD!
  • Aleta7
    Aleta7 Posts: 92
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    If the child does not get cows milk it MIGHT develop an allergy to it and any other dairy as a result. My sister in law stopped milk and now can't drink it or eat cheese, She could before she stopped drinking it.
  • Listen to your pediatrician intead of a bunch of goofballs on the internet. If you question something your pediatrician advises, get a second opinon from another pediatrician

    This.
  • gabbygirl78
    gabbygirl78 Posts: 936 Member
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    Cow's milk is fine unless they have an allergy..... some people take things to extremes.,...... Everybody wants to raise their kids "by the books" these days and not use common sense ..... I drank cow's milk, my kids drank cow's milk..... generations before us drank cows milk and they were fine. Lighten up people.
  • susannamarie
    susannamarie Posts: 2,148 Member
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    The crux of it for me is the definition of milk's purpose. Cow's milk is a lactating fluid SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO TURN A 65 LB CALF INTO A 1000 LB COW.

    I keep seeing this argument. But all baby animals grow rapidly, whether they're mammals or not. Calves start eating more than just milk very young. Dairy calves can be weaned as young as 5 weeks and will still grow at a good rate eating grain and hay.

    http://www.lsuagcenter.com/en/crops_livestock/livestock/dairy/Calf+and+Heifer/When+Can+Calves+be+Weaned.htm