Afraid of Hunger

I have Binge Eating Disorder and I think I've found out what causes it; I'm afraid of hunger. Whenever I get hungry I get afraid that I'm going to get tired, weak, and not be able to focus. I try to portion my food out but it doesn't help I just go back and eat more. I just need some information on hunger. Like when is it okay to be hunger, how to overcome it and deal with it.

I do eat a lot of protein, I have almonds, cottage cheese, etc but I binge on that too

I just need some general information about hunger and dieting
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  • QuilterInVA
    QuilterInVA Posts: 672 Member
    Fear of hunger is not a reason to keep eating all day. It's okay and even good to experience hunger. You aren't going to faint or get weak unless you don't eat for several days. Choose one day and go without lunch. See how you feel, what happens. Thin people experience hunger and put it on the back burner.
  • ldrosophila
    ldrosophila Posts: 7,512 Member
    You may be best if you eat very small all day so you never feel those pangs. Have 6-8 meals a day portion it out and know that in an hour or three you can eat again. Eat lots of protein and have some fat that will keep you feeling fuller longer. Fiber too, and drink water or some other calorie free beverage in between meals.

    Small meals though not regular size. Think gastric bypass diet.
  • Madame_Goldbricker
    Madame_Goldbricker Posts: 1,625 Member
    I T I S O K T O B E H U N G R Y !

    1.Awareness : Notice what happens when you feel hunger. See if you can excavate the unconscious associations, thoughts and behaviors that happen when you feel hungry. When do you treat hunger as ok, or appropriate? When do you judge it? What is your relationship with your appetite?

    2.Make amends with your appetite. Give your body unconditional permission to be hungry. Know that hunger is merely a sensation in the body, a messenger. Know that you live in a place with an abundance of food, and no one is rationing you except you.

    3.Deeper dive:If you try to control or suppress your appetite, consider where else in your life you might try to control or suppress your desires,in sex, work, play? Or if you find yourself constantly overtaken by intense desire for food – check out how this might be a balancing act of other areas of tight control in your life.

    * I pinched this from here: http://www.nakedhunger.com/its-ok-to-be-hungry/ - but maybe its something that resonates with how your feeling.
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  • links_slayer
    links_slayer Posts: 1,151 Member
    I just need some general information about hunger and dieting

    Maybe see a nutritionist/dietitian and/or a mental health professional?
  • I just need some general information about hunger and dieting

    Maybe see a nutritionist/dietitian and/or a mental health professional?

    I did last week and she told me; "portions, plan things out. etc" Stuff I've already heard
  • Madame_Goldbricker
    Madame_Goldbricker Posts: 1,625 Member
    I just need some general information about hunger and dieting

    Maybe see a nutritionist/dietitian and/or a mental health professional?

    ^^ Agreed. OP I'm not really sure what you are specifically looking for? There are plenty of tips to help with hunger i.e. drinking more water, hot drinks, brushing teeth (some people state the fresh feeling makes them less likely to eat) & so forth. However, it sounds more a psychological issue for you. As previously stated if you don't have an actual medical condition - you wont actually get faint nor weak. :flowerforyou:
  • husseycd
    husseycd Posts: 814 Member
    I don't like being hungry either. I'm actually thinking about trying intermittent fasting to help get a better grip on hunger. I feel like I have it mostly under control (I maintain my weight fairly well), but feel a bit obsessive and worried about when I'll eat next. I'm also always hungry. Within moments of eating. High protein, high fat, high fiber... Doesn't matter.

    Since I'm not trying to lose weight, I'm going to try 6:1 fasting. Basically eat normal 6 days and eat 500 calories one day. The weight loss plan is 5:2 fasting. Supposedly there are health benefits as well.
  • _Waffle_
    _Waffle_ Posts: 13,049 Member
    Anymore advice

    Use your head. Hunger won't kill you for over 3 weeks. Eat what you need, now what you FEEL that you need. I'm not saying to starve but that you don't have to fear hunger.
  • _Waffle_
    _Waffle_ Posts: 13,049 Member
    I don't like being hungry either. I'm actually thinking about trying intermittent fasting to help get a better grip on hunger.

    Do it. You'll find that you're a few hours into the time you can eat and it doesn't matter. Hunger is half mental. Sure if you're days out from eating it's real but 18 hours with no food doesn't even feel bad once you get used to it.
  • Ian_Stuart
    Ian_Stuart Posts: 252 Member
    Yes! Try intermittent fasting! I do leangains and don't typically eat until after noon and have my last meal of the day around 8 p.m. (Though my work schedule has been switched around recently and is messing with that) For the first week or so I was ravenous just before noon. These days I sometimes forget to eat until 3 or 4 in the afternoon. I feel clearer and more energized when hungry. There is actually a good evolutionary reason for this. Your body saves energy and makes you feel like you could go chase down a gazelle when you get hungry because that is what you are supposed to be doing then! That lethargy that you are feeling is probably more of a blood sugar thing than actual hunger. That will be normalized by intermittent fasting.

    An article on the subject: http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2013/08/06/a-beginners-guide-to-intermittent-fasting/
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  • Ian_Stuart
    Ian_Stuart Posts: 252 Member
    Yes! Read this one also: http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2011/07/21/meet-staci-your-new-powerlifting-super-hero/

    This article is probably more important to you than the first one.
  • MyJourney1960
    MyJourney1960 Posts: 1,133 Member
    I just need some general information about hunger and dieting

    Maybe see a nutritionist/dietitian and/or a mental health professional?

    I did last week and she told me; "portions, plan things out. etc" Stuff I've already heard
    go back and ask for help. you need someone to help you over your fears (which are very real)- a good therapist who has experience with EDs
  • Dewymorning
    Dewymorning Posts: 762 Member
    Yes, if you have a binge eating disorder I would advise going to see someone who is an expert in compulsive eating disorders.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    You need psychological therapy, not random advice on an internet forum. Seek a therapist.
  • chani8
    chani8 Posts: 946 Member
    Hunger is an awful feeling. I've had to stop any eating of food after around 6pm due to tummy trouble, and I spend the evening with what I often interpret as hunger pains. (The pain I get from eating and not digesting is much worse, so I cope with the hunger pains.)

    When I first started dieting, just over a year ago, the hunger pains were very upsetting. I hated them. Then I started using a bit of cognitive psychology on myself, meaning, talking to myself. Here are some examples of what I would tell myself: "I won't die from hunger pains." "I just ate lots of calories, so there is no reason to be hungry. Therefore, my body is lying to me." "These feelings are not hunger pains, they're digestion!" "I feel weak because I ate too many carbs/sugar and this feeling is from poor food choices, not hunger." "I'm bored, tired, sad, nervous, stressed. Not hungry. And eating won't help. I'll just feel worse after."

    I think the last line I just wrote above is really the most important one. You have to ask yourself, why are you binge eating? What are you trying to fill up in yourself? What are you truly hungry for? Is this an emotional/psychological thing? Is it a sensory thing in that you're seeking more pleasure? Why are you binge eating.

    You don't need to spend thousands of dollars on going to a therapist to simply ask yourself, "Why?" Maybe journal it out. Sit down at a quiet time, in a quiet place, and ask yourself why you binge eat. If you figure it out, and want to share, let us know. Hugs!
  • kelly_e_montana
    kelly_e_montana Posts: 1,999 Member
    I have BED as well and I find the easiest thing for me is to carry a 100 pack of almonds or a protein bar in my purse at all times. That way, if I feel I'm getting a little hungry, I just eat it before I get really hungry and go into full blown mode. Let your hunger get to a pang here/pang there level. I eat small meals 6 times per day so I don't have this issue.

    Also, for me I have a lot of anxiety and nervous energy that I was directing into binges for many years. I found that I need more exercise than the average person to keep my anxiety under control. I also do grounding activities like nature walks, baths, yoga, gardening, etc. Sounds dumb to a person without this issue but it has helped me tremendously to get out of my head and just be in a good state with my body.

    I would highly suggest that if you go to a therapist, you choose one who specializes in binge eating or bulimia and I've had much better luck with those who do cognitive behavioral therapy/modifications. I don't know why I binge. There might not even be a good reason, since I've been doing it since I was a child. However, I know how to be uncomfortable with discomfort now and how to lessen the amount that feeling of doom/something building in me comes up. I don't know if you know what I mean, but you probably know how the compulsion feels and how if you can get through an hour of distracting yourself, it will pass.
  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    Fear of hunger is not a reason to keep eating all day. It's okay and even good to experience hunger. You aren't going to faint or get weak unless you don't eat for several days. Choose one day and go without lunch. See how you feel, what happens. Thin people experience hunger and put it on the back burner.

    there is no need to skip meals... that is not going to help the OP learn healthy eating habits!
  • arrseegee
    arrseegee Posts: 575 Member
    I worked with a lady who was researching motivators for eating. She ran a series of studies looking at the effect of eating "mindfully". We live in a world where abundance of food, advertising, unnatural ingredients and stress contribute to us eating not in response to need, but want. To address the issue she taught people how to assess their actual level of hunger, and eat appropriately in response to it.

    I think this could be something that might be helpful for you, whether you choose to get some psychological help or doa bit of research yourself. Google "mindful eating" and have a read.
  • kelly_e_montana
    kelly_e_montana Posts: 1,999 Member
    I worked with a lady who was researching motivators for eating. She ran a series of studies looking at the effect of eating "mindfully". We live in a world where abundance of food, advertising, unnatural ingredients and stress contribute to us eating not in response to need, but want. To address the issue she taught people how to assess their actual level of hunger, and eat appropriately in response to it.

    I think this could be something that might be helpful for you, whether you choose to get some psychological help or doa bit of research yourself. Google "mindful eating" and have a read.

    I have had great luck incorporating intuitive eating strategies. There are some great books on Amazon!
  • bfitgirl
    bfitgirl Posts: 138 Member
    Hi there,

    I also suffer for urges to binge (after a VLCD and LC diet) the cheat meal concept started me off on the binging but anyway I was recommended a booked called Brain Over Binge from another poster here and it kind of links in to what you are trying to do, psychology you know you cannot be hungry and it explains why your brain will keep pushing you to eat more.

    It will take a few days to run through, and I would give you mine, but I dip into it every so often to reinforce myself. ;)

    Good luck,

    Just want to add that the writer of the book was sent to several difference therapists and has tried most avenues of self awareness so she has alot of experience to draw on, why some therapies dont and wont help you 'control' yourself or talk yourself out of the most basic and fundamental requirements to live, ie food.
  • Myhaloslipped
    Myhaloslipped Posts: 4,317 Member
    I worked with a lady who was researching motivators for eating. She ran a series of studies looking at the effect of eating "mindfully". We live in a world where abundance of food, advertising, unnatural ingredients and stress contribute to us eating not in response to need, but want. To address the issue she taught people how to assess their actual level of hunger, and eat appropriately in response to it.

    I think this could be something that might be helpful for you, whether you choose to get some psychological help or doa bit of research yourself. Google "mindful eating" and have a read.

    I have started doing little things to fight this mindset. The other day I wanted some tortilla chips and onion dip, and I was thinking to my self that what I experiencing was not actual hunger but a craving and a desire to have something crunchy. So instead I dipped raw snow pea pods in plain Greek yogurt mixed with a little powdered onion soup, and bam! Problem solved. This may sound crazy, and It obviously isn't convenient to make these substitutions all of the time. However, I find that little adjustments like this add up. Also, these items were already in my kitchen, and I was just being creative. :smile:
  • arrseegee
    arrseegee Posts: 575 Member
    I have started doing little things to fight this mindset. The other day I wanted some tortilla chips and onion dip, and I was thinking to my self that what I experiencing was not actual hunger but a craving and a desire to have something crunchy. So instead I dipped raw snow pea pods in plain Greek yogurt mixed with a little powdered onion soup, and bam! Problem solved. This may sound crazy, and It obviously isn't convenient to make these substitutions all of the time. However, I find that little adjustments like this add up. Also, these items were already in my kitchen, and I was just being creative. :smile:

    Creative, smart and very sensible. Nice work!
  • kelly_e_montana
    kelly_e_montana Posts: 1,999 Member
    Well, part of intuitive eating is trying to figure out what you actually want to eat and just eating that, no matter whether it's the healthiest thing you could choose or not. It's about learning how to stop and when not to eat out of boredom, anxiety, sadness, anger, or for entertainment. The goal is to be able to go to a restaurant and have a reasonable portion of dinner or a treat, but not EVERYTHING till you are full. Then don't go to another restaurant and another restaurant. If you truly have BED, you have probably done this. I know I've hit the grocery store and two fast food places all in one binge. If you have BED, you must focus on the BED before you focus on weight. You cannot work on weight at the same time. It's counter productive. Build a healthy relationship with food first.

    Major point is you need to do your homework, read books, see a counselor, and build a support network of other recovering BED or bulimia folks.
  • kelly_e_montana
    kelly_e_montana Posts: 1,999 Member
    I've read Brain Over Binge and it's interesting but definitely not my fave. Very anecdotal! More of an ethnography of one woman's experience. It's a different viewpoint though, and that's good. I would also recommend Overcoming Binge Eating Dr. Christopher Fairburn and Intuitive Eating by Evelyn Tribole, M.S., R.D. and Elyse, Resch, M.S., R.D.
  • msf74
    msf74 Posts: 3,498 Member
    Anymore advice

    Have you sought professional help such as:

    http://bedaonline.com/

    I think it is absolutely terrific you are taking steps to address the issue by asking for help on here and looking at this from a rational perspective. However, your progress will be greatly assisted by structured help.

    ETA: Just read further on and I see you have ;)
  • lauren3101
    lauren3101 Posts: 1,853 Member
    OP, if I'm honest, if you are doing this right you shouldn't really feel hunger, but at the same time, a bit of hunger is not going to kill you. I never feel hungry unless I've been really busy and haven't had time to eat.

    I think you need to see someone about your issues as binge eating IS an ED and only a professional can help you with that.

    In the meantime, however, you can help yourself. Stick with the high protein and healthy fats, and try and work your calories to suit you. If you are a picker, have small meals/snacks throughout the day. If you like a big dinner, eat a small breakfast and lunch to accommodate. If breakfast makes you hungrier, skip it. You get the picture.
  • Thanks you all for your advice. I have seen a dietitian and a counselor (still seeing her) and they have not helped at all. I guess I'm going to have to get use to the discomfort of hunger pangs. Also, is it true that by avoiding hunger pangs you can shrink your stomach?
  • AmykinsCatfood
    AmykinsCatfood Posts: 599 Member
    Thanks you all for your advice. I have seen a dietitian and a counselor (still seeing her) and they have not helped at all. I guess I'm going to have to get use to the discomfort of hunger pangs. Also, is it true that by avoiding hunger pangs you can shrink your stomach?

    No.. your stomach stays the same size. A lot of people have the misconception that your stomach is like a balloon- the more food you eat the bigger it gets, and when you don't eat it shrivels down like a balloon when you let out the air. The body doesn't really let organs change their size unless it's part of their function such as the womb stretches to hold a growing baby. The same is true the opposite way- the stomach WILL stretch a tiny bit with a big meal, but once the food has left the stomach it shrinks back down to normal size. It can't become permanently stretched or permanently shrunk (without surgical intervention such as a gastric bypass anyway.)

    As for your original question- I am in a way afraid of hunger as well, but mine is due to the very sick feeling I get when I get too hungry. I actually faint or throw up due to blood sugar levels. I think perhaps if your counselor is not helping you should seek out another who specializes in BED and work on altering your mindset of hunger and food. I wish you all the luck <3