Diet drinks advice..

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  • QuietBloom
    QuietBloom Posts: 5,413 Member
    There is evidence in rats that high intensity artificial sweeteners induce weight gain. There are other mitigating factors, but for me, after reading this study, I would avoid using artificial sweeteners (I do anyway, because they don't agree with me).

    Adverse effects of high-intensity sweeteners on energy intake and weight control in male and obesity-prone female rats.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23398432
    Unfortunately studies on rats don't seem to have the same results in humans.

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    Not at all true. And at the very least, it is worth taking into consideration.
    If we're taking about aspartame, I haven't yet encountered a study where rats were used and the same results ended up the same in humans. If you have one, please link it.

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    Are you being purposely obtuse? I was responding to your blanket statement that 'studies in rats don't seem to have the same results in humans'. This is patently false.
  • kesciamuhammad
    kesciamuhammad Posts: 27 Member
    For me it feeds the junk food machine. I'm better off eating natural fruit sugars, it stops me craving that really sweet delicious binge food.

    What is the molecular structure of these "natural fruit sugars"...

    ...and how does it differ from "processed sugars"?

    The fiber consumed in conjunction with fruit sugars helps to mitigate the spike in blood sugar that often negatively impacts hunger and weight loss. Assuming, of course, one is actually eating the whole fruit and that it is a fruit that is higher in fiber.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    For me it feeds the junk food machine. I'm better off eating natural fruit sugars, it stops me craving that really sweet delicious binge food.

    What is the molecular structure of these "natural fruit sugars"...

    ...and how does it differ from "processed sugars"?

    The fiber consumed in conjunction with fruit sugars helps to mitigate the spike in blood sugar that often negatively impacts hunger and weight loss. Assuming, of course, one is actually eating the whole fruit and that it is a fruit that is higher in fiber.
    But what about the fiber consumed with other foods? Calorie for calorie, a Snickers bar has roughly the same sugar to fiber ratio as an apple. So again, what makes the sugars so different that one is bad while the other is good? That's the million dollar question that nobody can ever answer.
  • Rocky_ZG
    Rocky_ZG Posts: 70 Member
    For me it feeds the junk food machine. I'm better off eating natural fruit sugars, it stops me craving that really sweet delicious binge food.

    What is the molecular structure of these "natural fruit sugars"...

    ...and how does it differ from "processed sugars"?

    The fiber consumed in conjunction with fruit sugars helps to mitigate the spike in blood sugar that often negatively impacts hunger and weight loss. Assuming, of course, one is actually eating the whole fruit and that it is a fruit that is higher in fiber.
    But what about the fiber consumed with other foods? Calorie for calorie, a Snickers bar has roughly the same sugar to fiber ratio as an apple. So again, what makes the sugars so different that one is bad while the other is good? That's the million dollar question that nobody can ever answer.

    http://theadmiral.hubpages.com/hub/Raw-Sugar-vs-Refined-Sugar

    "Conclusion

    It would be ridiculous to choose refined sugar over raw sugar given the option. Raw sugar has a minimal 11 calories per teaspoon and remains the natural vitamins and minerals that are in the sugar cane juice. Refined sugar lacks out on phosphorous, calcium, iron, magnesium, and potassium. Also, during the process of refining table sugar, there are various chemicals that are used that could potentially be passed to person ingesting the food."
  • kesciamuhammad
    kesciamuhammad Posts: 27 Member
    For me it feeds the junk food machine. I'm better off eating natural fruit sugars, it stops me craving that really sweet delicious binge food.

    What is the molecular structure of these "natural fruit sugars"...

    ...and how does it differ from "processed sugars"?

    The fiber consumed in conjunction with fruit sugars helps to mitigate the spike in blood sugar that often negatively impacts hunger and weight loss. Assuming, of course, one is actually eating the whole fruit and that it is a fruit that is higher in fiber.
    But what about the fiber consumed with other foods? Calorie for calorie, a Snickers bar has roughly the same sugar to fiber ratio as an apple. So again, what makes the sugars so different that one is bad while the other is good? That's the million dollar question that nobody can ever answer.
    A Snickers Bar has 27 g of sugar and 1 g of fiber. An apple has 18 g of sugar and 4 g of fiber. An apple has four times the fiber and two-thirds the sugar of a Snickers Bar, but that's not the problem. Multiply that by one Snicker's Bar a day and the subsequent spike and crash that many people experience and that's the problem. I don't believe that any food is inherently bad, I just don't accept that every food is equal in terms of nutrition and how my body responds after eating it.
  • fleetzz
    fleetzz Posts: 962 Member
    You seem quite confused---An EKG is a measurement of heart rhythm (heart electrical activity). This cannot diagnose seizures. A CAT scan shows images of the brain (or any other body part)--which also cannot diagnose seizures. Neither can an MRI, which is a better study to image the brain (where seizures originate).

    You are obviously not a scientist nor have any expertise in analyzing medical studies, and seem to put great emphasis on what personally happened to you and what you have heard from others. However, given that, just because something bad happened to you, your friends, or somebody that you heard about, doesn't mean it can be generalized to everybody else. I understand that you strongly believe what you believe, but until you get a further education in scientific studies, how the body works, and metabolism of these small chemicals, those of us who do have that expertise will not take you seriously no matter how vehement you are.

    No my doctor couldn't believe the diagnosis because I was diagnosed at age 5 in 1983 after having an EKG and cat scan that clearly indicated that I was epileptic. At that time donahu had a show on stating that 1 in 10 children was having reactions to nutra sweet. My dad happen a crossed it and realize that he was giving me nutra sweet in the form of coolaid. My pediatrician said it couldn't be and sent he for another EKG and cat scan which then confirmed I did not have epilepsy. It was at that time that the neurologist confirmed it was the nutra sweet. My rest of the family has had some form of reaction to it. I have known other people not related to me that had migraines and memory loss from it. My husband which knows the dangers has issues with it, So don't tell me that I don't have the documentation to back it. Snopes will say anything as long as it sided for the government who is behind this. You wanted documentation I gave you the first 4 out of 1000's. You research it, the reason he had trouble believing it is because my problems started with the introduction into drinks which if you read the research was two years after it was approved. I believe. There were no real scientific evidence being brought to light at that time so nothing for my physicians to go on. There have been many studies since the. That showed all this information not by just mercola but by others,
  • fleetzz
    fleetzz Posts: 962 Member
    Do you think that the poster's responses to some of the forum posts may be related to the untreated PKU side effects? Hmm....
    PKU -

    Aspartame does not cause anaphalactic shock, as PKU sufferers are not allergic to it. It is an amino acid disorder. Here is a list of symptoms caused by the build up of phenylalanine in individuals who are unable to metabolize it, resulting in a build up of it in the body.

    Some of the effects of untreated PKU include:

    mental retardation
    behavior problems
    hyperactivity
    restlessness or irritability
    seizures
    a skin condition called eczema
    a “musty” or “mousy” body odor
    fair hair and skin
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,993 Member
    There is evidence in rats that high intensity artificial sweeteners induce weight gain. There are other mitigating factors, but for me, after reading this study, I would avoid using artificial sweeteners (I do anyway, because they don't agree with me).

    Adverse effects of high-intensity sweeteners on energy intake and weight control in male and obesity-prone female rats.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23398432
    Unfortunately studies on rats don't seem to have the same results in humans.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
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    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    Not at all true. And at the very least, it is worth taking into consideration.
    If we're taking about aspartame, I haven't yet encountered a study where rats were used and the same results ended up the same in humans. If you have one, please link it.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    Are you being purposely obtuse? I was responding to your blanket statement that 'studies in rats don't seem to have the same results in humans'. This is patently false.
    Then we're on different lines. My referral to rats was on the studies done with aspartame. That's what we're taking about here right?

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
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  • ldrosophila
    ldrosophila Posts: 7,512 Member
    helped me lose 70lbs before the preggo

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